Democrats Trying to Outlaw Right To Work Laws

[initforme]

Unions will come back some day. Workers will take it on the chin and figure out they aren't vued or liked by their employers. The pendulum will swing back. During these times do what is expected no more. The employer wants more then they will have to pay one for it.

 

[dblack]

22 states have them and the Dems want to pass a Federal law to ban them. This would mean, if it passes, every worker in America would be forced to join a union in every shop which has one. Ya. the good ole dems don't like freedom of choice at all. I was in a union for 6 years, but I quit because the union kept giving my dues money to Bill Clinton, who I was vehemently opposed to. I wrote the union President about it and I never even got an answer.,

All the "right to work" for less laws have accomplished is flattening of wages, destruction of pensions, and diminishing worker rights and benefits.

I always laugh at opinions like this from "workers" because they're doing the owners dirty work for them.

YEAH ITS IN EVERY WORKERS BEST INTERESTS TO BE FORCED TO GIVE MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT FUNNELS THE MONEY TO DEMOCRATS REGARDLESS OF THE WORKERS' WISHES

The core problem with labor law, that the "right to work" laws attempt to counter, is the idea that an employee should be bound to the majority rule of their co-workers. ie if a majority of them vote to go union, you've got to buckle under and do what they say.

 

[initforme]

Productivity is always tied to wage. More wage more work. Less wage then less work. As it should be.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

 

[initforme]

Which is why china is really struggling.

 

[daveman]

Productivity is always tied to wage. More wage more work. Less wage then less work. As it should be.

Not in union shops.

 

[occupied]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

 

[occupied]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

 

[initforme]

Seeking lower labor costs is the sign of a company going backwards.

 

[Dadoalex]

22 states have them and the Dems want to pass a Federal law to ban them. This would mean, if it passes, every worker in America would be forced to join a union in every shop which has one. Ya. the good ole dems don't like freedom of choice at all. I was in a union for 6 years, but I quit because the union kept giving my dues money to Bill Clinton, who I was vehemently opposed to. I wrote the union President about it and I never even got an answer.,

All the "right to work" for less laws have accomplished is flattening of wages, destruction of pensions, and diminishing worker rights and benefits.

I always laugh at opinions like this from "workers" because they're doing the owners dirty work for them.

YEAH ITS IN EVERY WORKERS BEST INTERESTS TO BE FORCED TO GIVE MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT FUNNELS THE MONEY TO DEMOCRATS REGARDLESS OF THE WORKERS' WISHES

Already addressed in law and contract.
Members are allowed to specify whether any portion of dues can be used for election purposes.
Heck I'd be willing to support a ban on using union money for politics

IF

The same ban applied to corporate money.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

Why are you running away from your original bullshit about US and Western Countries MUST BE held more accountable to climate and labor standards while China violates the shit out of the Western standards? They pay kids cents on the dollar to manufacture Lebron’s Nike shoes. Go look at your words.

 

[Dadoalex]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

1992 I bought into Pirot's "sucking jobs" dogma but then over the next few years I saw NAFTA as a good thing then since 06-07 back to sucking. What NAFTA does is allow employers use the threat of moving jobs to force employees to accept less compensation.

Hey! A Dado can learn!

 

[bripat9643]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Exactly the opposite is the case, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

1992 I bought into Pirot's "sucking jobs" dogma but then over the next few years I saw NAFTA as a good thing then since 06-07 back to sucking. What NAFTA does is allow employers use the threat of moving jobs to force employees to accept less compensation.

Hey! A Dado can learn!

All you dumbasses attacked Trump for imposing tariffs.

 

[bripat9643]

However, it is against Liberty to have non right to work laws.

There has never been such a law. Please link me to one, moon bat identifier.

Unions are bad and they are good. From the end of WWII, the big one, the unionized, happy American workforce, making a living wage, took us from the depression to the good life.

Working class wealth and economic mobility tracked very closely with union membership. No coincidence.

Yeah, what's the economic mobility like in Detroit these days?

 

[occupied]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

Why are you running away from your original bullshit about US and Western Countries MUST BE held more accountable to climate and labor standards while China violates the shit out of the Western standards? They pay kids cents on the dollar to manufacture Lebron’s Nike shoes. Go look at your words.

Not running away at all. You are as much blaming our high standards as China's low standards. My point is that there was never any reason to make us compete with that. China undercut practically every industry the US dominated because they were allowed to. Now that they have dominance you can bet your ass they will protect those jobs for their citizens. Do you seriously not remember how it all happened?

 

[LeftofLeft]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

Why are you running away from your original bullshit about US and Western Countries MUST BE held more accountable to climate and labor standards while China violates the shit out of the Western standards? They pay kids cents on the dollar to manufacture Lebron’s Nike shoes. Go look at your words.

Not running away at all. You are as much blaming our high standards as China's low standards. My point is that there was never any reason to make us compete with that. China undercut practically every industry the US dominated because they were allowed to. Now that they have dominance you can bet your ass they will protect those jobs for their citizens. Do you seriously not remember how it all happened?

Stop holding US accountable and giving China a pass. It’s insulting.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

Why are you running away from your original bullshit about US and Western Countries MUST BE held more accountable to climate and labor standards while China violates the shit out of the Western standards? They pay kids cents on the dollar to manufacture Lebron’s Nike shoes. Go look at your words.

Not running away at all. You are as much blaming our high standards as China's low standards. My point is that there was never any reason to make us compete with that. China undercut practically every industry the US dominated because they were allowed to. Now that they have dominance you can bet your ass they will protect those jobs for their citizens. Do you seriously not remember how it all happened?

China’s undercutting of US prices would have minimal if not zero effect on US had not the Democrats put egregiously high regulations, taxes, wages, and climate laws on businesses. Again, prove me wrong.

 

[occupied]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

Why are you running away from your original bullshit about US and Western Countries MUST BE held more accountable to climate and labor standards while China violates the shit out of the Western standards? They pay kids cents on the dollar to manufacture Lebron’s Nike shoes. Go look at your words.

Not running away at all. You are as much blaming our high standards as China's low standards. My point is that there was never any reason to make us compete with that. China undercut practically every industry the US dominated because they were allowed to. Now that they have dominance you can bet your ass they will protect those jobs for their citizens. Do you seriously not remember how it all happened?

China’s undercutting of US prices would have minimal if not zero effect on US had not the Democrats put egregiously high regulations, taxes, wages, and climate laws on businesses. Again, prove me wrong.

So again you are blaming America's high standard of living for the jobs leaving for China when half the democrats and all of the republicans would have sooner cut their own balls off than impose a tariff on cheap foreign goods or raise taxes on profits made by shipping jobs out of the country. There was never the slightest disincentive put in place to protect our working class when it would have worked. Jobs never come back if you let them leave.