Democrats Trying to Outlaw Right To Work Laws

[bripat9643]

Seeking lower labor costs is the sign of a company going backwards.

All companies seek lower labor costs, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

Why are you running away from your original bullshit about US and Western Countries MUST BE held more accountable to climate and labor standards while China violates the shit out of the Western standards? They pay kids cents on the dollar to manufacture Lebron’s Nike shoes. Go look at your words.

Not running away at all. You are as much blaming our high standards as China's low standards. My point is that there was never any reason to make us compete with that. China undercut practically every industry the US dominated because they were allowed to. Now that they have dominance you can bet your ass they will protect those jobs for their citizens. Do you seriously not remember how it all happened?

China’s undercutting of US prices would have minimal if not zero effect on US had not the Democrats put egregiously high regulations, taxes, wages, and climate laws on businesses. Again, prove me wrong.

So again you are blaming America's high standard of living for the jobs leaving for China when half the democrats and all of the republicans would have sooner cut their own balls off than impose a tariff on cheap foreign goods or raise taxes on profits made by shipping jobs out of the country. There was never the slightest disincentive put in place to protect our working class when it would have worked. Jobs never come back if you let them leave.

The Dims attacked Trump when he imposed tariffs on China, you fucking moron.

 

[theHawk]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

And the other half were Democrats that really wanted to appease their Mao Masters.

 

[occupied]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

And the other half were Democrats that really wanted to appease their Mao Masters.

The other half was greedy investors and faceless corporations wanting to get richer. I didn't think I would actually have to state the obvious.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

Why are you running away from your original bullshit about US and Western Countries MUST BE held more accountable to climate and labor standards while China violates the shit out of the Western standards? They pay kids cents on the dollar to manufacture Lebron’s Nike shoes. Go look at your words.

Not running away at all. You are as much blaming our high standards as China's low standards. My point is that there was never any reason to make us compete with that. China undercut practically every industry the US dominated because they were allowed to. Now that they have dominance you can bet your ass they will protect those jobs for their citizens. Do you seriously not remember how it all happened?

China’s undercutting of US prices would have minimal if not zero effect on US had not the Democrats put egregiously high regulations, taxes, wages, and climate laws on businesses. Again, prove me wrong.

So again you are blaming America's high standard of living for the jobs leaving for China when half the democrats and all of the republicans would have sooner cut their own balls off than impose a tariff on cheap foreign goods or raise taxes on profits made by shipping jobs out of the country. There was never the slightest disincentive put in place to protect our working class when it would have worked. Jobs never come back if you let them leave.

you keep running away from your original arguments. Further, your current argument only begins to hold water IF there is a level playing field between US and China. I’ll give you this.... despite shifting arguments you are consistent in that you always blame US. God forbid higher standards of living.

 

[theHawk]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

And the other half were Democrats that really wanted to appease their Mao Masters.

The other half was greedy investors and faceless corporations wanting to get richer. I didn't think I would actually have to state the obvious.

Of course it was greedy corporations, that wanted to use that cheap Chinese slave labor. President Trump was the first to take a stand against communist China, and enacted tariffs. He set the GOP straight on the issue, Dems however are fully for allowing corporations sellout to China, and to even push Chinese censorship into Americans.

 

[occupied]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

Why are you running away from your original bullshit about US and Western Countries MUST BE held more accountable to climate and labor standards while China violates the shit out of the Western standards? They pay kids cents on the dollar to manufacture Lebron’s Nike shoes. Go look at your words.

Not running away at all. You are as much blaming our high standards as China's low standards. My point is that there was never any reason to make us compete with that. China undercut practically every industry the US dominated because they were allowed to. Now that they have dominance you can bet your ass they will protect those jobs for their citizens. Do you seriously not remember how it all happened?

China’s undercutting of US prices would have minimal if not zero effect on US had not the Democrats put egregiously high regulations, taxes, wages, and climate laws on businesses. Again, prove me wrong.

So again you are blaming America's high standard of living for the jobs leaving for China when half the democrats and all of the republicans would have sooner cut their own balls off than impose a tariff on cheap foreign goods or raise taxes on profits made by shipping jobs out of the country. There was never the slightest disincentive put in place to protect our working class when it would have worked. Jobs never come back if you let them leave.

you keep running away from your original arguments. Further, your current argument only begins to hold water IF there is a level playing field between US and China. I’ll give you this.... despite shifting arguments you are consistent in that you always blame US. God forbid higher standards of living.

At this point you are getting boring. I'm not blaming our higher standard of living but "free market" devotees damned sure did. Greedy American workers were blamed for their high wages, fringe benefits and pensions making it difficult to compete on exports against China. I suppose that was technically true but after Americans gave all that up for the sake of competition our jobs ended up in China anyway. It was all a big lie. The truth was that the working class had become too politically powerful and had to be taken down a couple of dozen notches.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

Why are you running away from your original bullshit about US and Western Countries MUST BE held more accountable to climate and labor standards while China violates the shit out of the Western standards? They pay kids cents on the dollar to manufacture Lebron’s Nike shoes. Go look at your words.

Not running away at all. You are as much blaming our high standards as China's low standards. My point is that there was never any reason to make us compete with that. China undercut practically every industry the US dominated because they were allowed to. Now that they have dominance you can bet your ass they will protect those jobs for their citizens. Do you seriously not remember how it all happened?

China’s undercutting of US prices would have minimal if not zero effect on US had not the Democrats put egregiously high regulations, taxes, wages, and climate laws on businesses. Again, prove me wrong.

So again you are blaming America's high standard of living for the jobs leaving for China when half the democrats and all of the republicans would have sooner cut their own balls off than impose a tariff on cheap foreign goods or raise taxes on profits made by shipping jobs out of the country. There was never the slightest disincentive put in place to protect our working class when it would have worked. Jobs never come back if you let them leave.

you keep running away from your original arguments. Further, your current argument only begins to hold water IF there is a level playing field between US and China. I’ll give you this.... despite shifting arguments you are consistent in that you always blame US. God forbid higher standards of living.

At this point you are getting boring. I'm not blaming our higher standard of living but "free market" devotees damned sure did. Greedy American workers were blamed for their high wages, fringe benefits and pensions making it difficult to compete on exports against China. I suppose that was technically true but after Americans gave all that up for the sake of competition our jobs ended up in China anyway. It was all a big lie. The truth was that the working class had become too politically powerful and had to be taken down a couple of dozen notches.

Slave and child labor wages alone did not draw jobs away from US and you know that. So, why stick US with increasingly higher standards when it comes to climate, regulations, and liability when China has none? Lower wages in other nations have always been around.

 

[occupied]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

Why are you running away from your original bullshit about US and Western Countries MUST BE held more accountable to climate and labor standards while China violates the shit out of the Western standards? They pay kids cents on the dollar to manufacture Lebron’s Nike shoes. Go look at your words.

Not running away at all. You are as much blaming our high standards as China's low standards. My point is that there was never any reason to make us compete with that. China undercut practically every industry the US dominated because they were allowed to. Now that they have dominance you can bet your ass they will protect those jobs for their citizens. Do you seriously not remember how it all happened?

China’s undercutting of US prices would have minimal if not zero effect on US had not the Democrats put egregiously high regulations, taxes, wages, and climate laws on businesses. Again, prove me wrong.

So again you are blaming America's high standard of living for the jobs leaving for China when half the democrats and all of the republicans would have sooner cut their own balls off than impose a tariff on cheap foreign goods or raise taxes on profits made by shipping jobs out of the country. There was never the slightest disincentive put in place to protect our working class when it would have worked. Jobs never come back if you let them leave.

you keep running away from your original arguments. Further, your current argument only begins to hold water IF there is a level playing field between US and China. I’ll give you this.... despite shifting arguments you are consistent in that you always blame US. God forbid higher standards of living.

At this point you are getting boring. I'm not blaming our higher standard of living but "free market" devotees damned sure did. Greedy American workers were blamed for their high wages, fringe benefits and pensions making it difficult to compete on exports against China. I suppose that was technically true but after Americans gave all that up for the sake of competition our jobs ended up in China anyway. It was all a big lie. The truth was that the working class had become too politically powerful and had to be taken down a couple of dozen notches.

Slave and child labor wages alone did not draw jobs away from US and you know that. So, why stick US with increasingly higher standards when it comes to climate, regulations, and liability when China has none? Lower wages in other nations have always been around.

China already won the race to the bottom long ago. Gutting our environmental regs is not going to bring back a single job but it will make some heavy polluting companies more profitable. Excuse me if I sneer at the same kind of greedy bastards who stabbed the American worker in the back wanting to do the same thing to mother nature.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

Why are you running away from your original bullshit about US and Western Countries MUST BE held more accountable to climate and labor standards while China violates the shit out of the Western standards? They pay kids cents on the dollar to manufacture Lebron’s Nike shoes. Go look at your words.

Not running away at all. You are as much blaming our high standards as China's low standards. My point is that there was never any reason to make us compete with that. China undercut practically every industry the US dominated because they were allowed to. Now that they have dominance you can bet your ass they will protect those jobs for their citizens. Do you seriously not remember how it all happened?

China’s undercutting of US prices would have minimal if not zero effect on US had not the Democrats put egregiously high regulations, taxes, wages, and climate laws on businesses. Again, prove me wrong.

So again you are blaming America's high standard of living for the jobs leaving for China when half the democrats and all of the republicans would have sooner cut their own balls off than impose a tariff on cheap foreign goods or raise taxes on profits made by shipping jobs out of the country. There was never the slightest disincentive put in place to protect our working class when it would have worked. Jobs never come back if you let them leave.

you keep running away from your original arguments. Further, your current argument only begins to hold water IF there is a level playing field between US and China. I’ll give you this.... despite shifting arguments you are consistent in that you always blame US. God forbid higher standards of living.

At this point you are getting boring. I'm not blaming our higher standard of living but "free market" devotees damned sure did. Greedy American workers were blamed for their high wages, fringe benefits and pensions making it difficult to compete on exports against China. I suppose that was technically true but after Americans gave all that up for the sake of competition our jobs ended up in China anyway. It was all a big lie. The truth was that the working class had become too politically powerful and had to be taken down a couple of dozen notches.

Slave and child labor wages alone did not draw jobs away from US and you know that. So, why stick US with increasingly higher standards when it comes to climate, regulations, and liability when China has none? Lower wages in other nations have always been around.

China already won the race to the bottom long ago. Gutting our environmental regs is not going to bring back a single job but it will make some heavy polluting companies more profitable. Excuse me if I sneer at the same kind of greedy bastards who stabbed the American worker in the back wanting to do the same thing to mother nature.

you keep confusing Greedy with Survival. Another running theme. Blame US, cut China a pass.

 

[Dadoalex]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Bullshit. China has no climate enforcement, no minimum wage, no unions, no liability while the US seeks to tax the shit out of businesses of all sizes. Prove me wrong.

There was never any good reason to make American workers directly compete with Chinese slave labor. Western countries are supposed to have higher environmental and labor standards and a higher standard of living. Don't blame the middle class reward for a life of labor that used to make America great. Upward mobility requires a national investment that American companies didn't want to make anymore.

The first part of your argument is the most socialist I’ve ever heard. Don’t insult US Middle Class by trying to pretend you care about “upward mobility”. Socialists despise upward mobility. Why and how in God’s name are you rewarding China for child labor while holding Western Countries accountable for environmental and labor standards. Seriously?

Don't blame me. Progressives are the only political segment that never supported any of that outsourcing shit. Are you old enough to remember when "protectionism" was the dirtiest word in conservative economic policy? Why are you blaming the only people who fought the "free market" dogma that made protecting jobs a virtual sin?

1992 I bought into Pirot's "sucking jobs" dogma but then over the next few years I saw NAFTA as a good thing then since 06-07 back to sucking. What NAFTA does is allow employers use the threat of moving jobs to force employees to accept less compensation.

Hey! A Dado can learn!

All you dumbasses attacked Trump for imposing tariffs.

Trump didn't impose tariffs. He tried to start a trade war.
Even in trumplandia there's a difference.

 

[daveman]

22 states have them and the Dems want to pass a Federal law to ban them. This would mean, if it passes, every worker in America would be forced to join a union in every shop which has one. Ya. the good ole dems don't like freedom of choice at all. I was in a union for 6 years, but I quit because the union kept giving my dues money to Bill Clinton, who I was vehemently opposed to. I wrote the union President about it and I never even got an answer.,

All the "right to work" for less laws have accomplished is flattening of wages, destruction of pensions, and diminishing worker rights and benefits.

I always laugh at opinions like this from "workers" because they're doing the owners dirty work for them.

YEAH ITS IN EVERY WORKERS BEST INTERESTS TO BE FORCED TO GIVE MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT FUNNELS THE MONEY TO DEMOCRATS REGARDLESS OF THE WORKERS' WISHES

Already addressed in law and contract.
Members are allowed to specify whether any portion of dues can be used for election purposes.
Heck I'd be willing to support a ban on using union money for politics

IF

The same ban applied to corporate money.

Well, I gotta give you props for that. Most leftists think corporate money in politics is Satan's toe jam, but union money is good and righteous and holy.

But let's look at union political donations, like the AFGE.

"So far in the 2019-2020 election cycle, AFGE has donated $1,231,446 to candidates for elected office, either directly or through other political organizations. From this amount, $1,205,406 went to Democrats and liberal groups. $25,500 went to Republicans."

Do you believe 98% of government workers are Democrats?

I don't.

 

[Nostra]

Half of the reason our industrial base ended up in China is that republicans really desperately wanted to break the political power of Labor. Was it worth it?

Please elaborate

Are you too young to remember the 90s-00s Ypu must be if you have to ask that question. Republicans turned backflips of joy every time a union shop closed up and went offshore. They preached the virtues of the lousy unstable service based economy we ended up with. The very conservative US chamber of commerce even held seminars to guide companies through offshoring jobs. Now that wages have been flat for decades and real benefits are becoming a thing of the past I ask again, was breaking the unions worth it?

Why did those union shops close and go offshore?

Specifically, what did Republicans do to cause it occupied

 

[Dadoalex]

22 states have them and the Dems want to pass a Federal law to ban them. This would mean, if it passes, every worker in America would be forced to join a union in every shop which has one. Ya. the good ole dems don't like freedom of choice at all. I was in a union for 6 years, but I quit because the union kept giving my dues money to Bill Clinton, who I was vehemently opposed to. I wrote the union President about it and I never even got an answer.,

All the "right to work" for less laws have accomplished is flattening of wages, destruction of pensions, and diminishing worker rights and benefits.

I always laugh at opinions like this from "workers" because they're doing the owners dirty work for them.

YEAH ITS IN EVERY WORKERS BEST INTERESTS TO BE FORCED TO GIVE MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT FUNNELS THE MONEY TO DEMOCRATS REGARDLESS OF THE WORKERS' WISHES

Already addressed in law and contract.
Members are allowed to specify whether any portion of dues can be used for election purposes.
Heck I'd be willing to support a ban on using union money for politics

IF

The same ban applied to corporate money.

Well, I gotta give you props for that. Most leftists think corporate money in politics is Satan's toe jam, but union money is good and righteous and holy.

But let's look at union political donations, like the AFGE.

"So far in the 2019-2020 election cycle, AFGE has donated $1,231,446 to candidates for elected office, either directly or through other political organizations. From this amount, $1,205,406 went to Democrats and liberal groups. $25,500 went to Republicans."

Do you believe 98% of government workers are Democrats?

I don't.

But then what about corporate money pushing anti-union legislation?
Do you suppose every shareholder agrees?
When Adelson drops $200M in an election cycle to promote anti-union legislation is that really one-man one-vote?

 

[Polishprince]

22 states have them and the Dems want to pass a Federal law to ban them. This would mean, if it passes, every worker in America would be forced to join a union in every shop which has one. Ya. the good ole dems don't like freedom of choice at all. I was in a union for 6 years, but I quit because the union kept giving my dues money to Bill Clinton, who I was vehemently opposed to. I wrote the union President about it and I never even got an answer.,

All the "right to work" for less laws have accomplished is flattening of wages, destruction of pensions, and diminishing worker rights and benefits.

I always laugh at opinions like this from "workers" because they're doing the owners dirty work for them.

YEAH ITS IN EVERY WORKERS BEST INTERESTS TO BE FORCED TO GIVE MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT FUNNELS THE MONEY TO DEMOCRATS REGARDLESS OF THE WORKERS' WISHES

Already addressed in law and contract.
Members are allowed to specify whether any portion of dues can be used for election purposes.
Heck I'd be willing to support a ban on using union money for politics

IF

The same ban applied to corporate money.

Well, I gotta give you props for that. Most leftists think corporate money in politics is Satan's toe jam, but union money is good and righteous and holy.

But let's look at union political donations, like the AFGE.

"So far in the 2019-2020 election cycle, AFGE has donated $1,231,446 to candidates for elected office, either directly or through other political organizations. From this amount, $1,205,406 went to Democrats and liberal groups. $25,500 went to Republicans."

Do you believe 98% of government workers are Democrats?

I don't.

But then what about corporate money pushing anti-union legislation?
Do you suppose every shareholder agrees?
When Adelson drops $200M in an election cycle to promote anti-union legislation is that really one-man one-vote?

Most progressive thinking corporations that are looking to make innovations in their production processes aren't interested in bringing in Big Labor as their partners.

The reason is simple.

Union work rules make it impossible to get rid of staff even if they aren't needed any more because of technological change. Contracts dictate how many men have to be assigned to a job, even if new machines and techniques make it ridiculous.

As a result, unionized rackets lag behind Scab outfits in adopting new processes and they fall behind.

When I worked for the UFCW in a supermarket for a few seasons in the mid 1980's, their big thing was fighting against scanning machines. There were union members paying dues whose job it was to put prices on each individual item who would lose their jobs (or really just moved to other duties)

 

[Dadoalex]

22 states have them and the Dems want to pass a Federal law to ban them. This would mean, if it passes, every worker in America would be forced to join a union in every shop which has one. Ya. the good ole dems don't like freedom of choice at all. I was in a union for 6 years, but I quit because the union kept giving my dues money to Bill Clinton, who I was vehemently opposed to. I wrote the union President about it and I never even got an answer.,

All the "right to work" for less laws have accomplished is flattening of wages, destruction of pensions, and diminishing worker rights and benefits.

I always laugh at opinions like this from "workers" because they're doing the owners dirty work for them.

YEAH ITS IN EVERY WORKERS BEST INTERESTS TO BE FORCED TO GIVE MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT FUNNELS THE MONEY TO DEMOCRATS REGARDLESS OF THE WORKERS' WISHES

Already addressed in law and contract.
Members are allowed to specify whether any portion of dues can be used for election purposes.
Heck I'd be willing to support a ban on using union money for politics

IF

The same ban applied to corporate money.

Well, I gotta give you props for that. Most leftists think corporate money in politics is Satan's toe jam, but union money is good and righteous and holy.

But let's look at union political donations, like the AFGE.

"So far in the 2019-2020 election cycle, AFGE has donated $1,231,446 to candidates for elected office, either directly or through other political organizations. From this amount, $1,205,406 went to Democrats and liberal groups. $25,500 went to Republicans."

Do you believe 98% of government workers are Democrats?

I don't.

But then what about corporate money pushing anti-union legislation?
Do you suppose every shareholder agrees?
When Adelson drops $200M in an election cycle to promote anti-union legislation is that really one-man one-vote?

Most progressive thinking corporations that are looking to make innovations in their production processes aren't interested in bringing in Big Labor as their partners.

The reason is simple.

Union work rules make it impossible to get rid of staff even if they aren't needed any more because of technological change. Contracts dictate how many men have to be assigned to a job, even if new machines and techniques make it ridiculous.

As a result, unionized rackets lag behind Scab outfits in adopting new processes and they fall behind.

When I worked for the UFCW in a supermarket for a few seasons in the mid 1980's, their big thing was fighting against scanning machines. There were union members paying dues whose job it was to put prices on each individual item who would lose their jobs (or really just moved to other duties)

Yeah!
But wait...
Who signed the contracts?
Who held the actual gun of no pay over the other's head?

I've said union efforts need to stay in the pay/benefits/working conditions arena but don't blame unions for the tendency of management to think exactly this quarter ahead. The greed of shareholders demanding ever more profits in each and every quarter or fire management is the issue.

Do you blame the unions for taking what they can get?
Then I suppose you also blame management for giving as little as it can get away with?

Maybe give this some actual thought? Republican talking points are just so 30 years ago.

 

[daveman]

22 states have them and the Dems want to pass a Federal law to ban them. This would mean, if it passes, every worker in America would be forced to join a union in every shop which has one. Ya. the good ole dems don't like freedom of choice at all. I was in a union for 6 years, but I quit because the union kept giving my dues money to Bill Clinton, who I was vehemently opposed to. I wrote the union President about it and I never even got an answer.,

All the "right to work" for less laws have accomplished is flattening of wages, destruction of pensions, and diminishing worker rights and benefits.

I always laugh at opinions like this from "workers" because they're doing the owners dirty work for them.

YEAH ITS IN EVERY WORKERS BEST INTERESTS TO BE FORCED TO GIVE MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT FUNNELS THE MONEY TO DEMOCRATS REGARDLESS OF THE WORKERS' WISHES

Already addressed in law and contract.
Members are allowed to specify whether any portion of dues can be used for election purposes.
Heck I'd be willing to support a ban on using union money for politics

IF

The same ban applied to corporate money.

Well, I gotta give you props for that. Most leftists think corporate money in politics is Satan's toe jam, but union money is good and righteous and holy.

But let's look at union political donations, like the AFGE.

"So far in the 2019-2020 election cycle, AFGE has donated $1,231,446 to candidates for elected office, either directly or through other political organizations. From this amount, $1,205,406 went to Democrats and liberal groups. $25,500 went to Republicans."

Do you believe 98% of government workers are Democrats?

I don't.

But then what about corporate money pushing anti-union legislation?
Do you suppose every shareholder agrees?
When Adelson drops $200M in an election cycle to promote anti-union legislation is that really one-man one-vote?

Do you think shareholders want their income to go down?

And if you oppose Adelson's political activity, you must also oppose George Soros'.

 

[daveman]

22 states have them and the Dems want to pass a Federal law to ban them. This would mean, if it passes, every worker in America would be forced to join a union in every shop which has one. Ya. the good ole dems don't like freedom of choice at all. I was in a union for 6 years, but I quit because the union kept giving my dues money to Bill Clinton, who I was vehemently opposed to. I wrote the union President about it and I never even got an answer.,

All the "right to work" for less laws have accomplished is flattening of wages, destruction of pensions, and diminishing worker rights and benefits.

I always laugh at opinions like this from "workers" because they're doing the owners dirty work for them.

YEAH ITS IN EVERY WORKERS BEST INTERESTS TO BE FORCED TO GIVE MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT FUNNELS THE MONEY TO DEMOCRATS REGARDLESS OF THE WORKERS' WISHES

Already addressed in law and contract.
Members are allowed to specify whether any portion of dues can be used for election purposes.
Heck I'd be willing to support a ban on using union money for politics

IF

The same ban applied to corporate money.

Well, I gotta give you props for that. Most leftists think corporate money in politics is Satan's toe jam, but union money is good and righteous and holy.

But let's look at union political donations, like the AFGE.

"So far in the 2019-2020 election cycle, AFGE has donated $1,231,446 to candidates for elected office, either directly or through other political organizations. From this amount, $1,205,406 went to Democrats and liberal groups. $25,500 went to Republicans."

Do you believe 98% of government workers are Democrats?

I don't.

But then what about corporate money pushing anti-union legislation?
Do you suppose every shareholder agrees?
When Adelson drops $200M in an election cycle to promote anti-union legislation is that really one-man one-vote?

Most progressive thinking corporations that are looking to make innovations in their production processes aren't interested in bringing in Big Labor as their partners.

The reason is simple.

Union work rules make it impossible to get rid of staff even if they aren't needed any more because of technological change. Contracts dictate how many men have to be assigned to a job, even if new machines and techniques make it ridiculous.

As a result, unionized rackets lag behind Scab outfits in adopting new processes and they fall behind.

When I worked for the UFCW in a supermarket for a few seasons in the mid 1980's, their big thing was fighting against scanning machines. There were union members paying dues whose job it was to put prices on each individual item who would lose their jobs (or really just moved to other duties)

Yeah!
But wait...
Who signed the contracts?
Who held the actual gun of no pay over the other's head?

I've said union efforts need to stay in the pay/benefits/working conditions arena but don't blame unions for the tendency of management to think exactly this quarter ahead. The greed of shareholders demanding ever more profits in each and every quarter or fire management is the issue.

Do you blame the unions for taking what they can get?
Then I suppose you also blame management for giving as little as it can get away with?

Maybe give this some actual thought? Republican talking points are just so 30 years ago.

Unions are like parasites eventually killing their hosts.

If union demands kill a business, how is that good for the union workers who no longer have jobs?

 

[Dadoalex]

22 states have them and the Dems want to pass a Federal law to ban them. This would mean, if it passes, every worker in America would be forced to join a union in every shop which has one. Ya. the good ole dems don't like freedom of choice at all. I was in a union for 6 years, but I quit because the union kept giving my dues money to Bill Clinton, who I was vehemently opposed to. I wrote the union President about it and I never even got an answer.,

All the "right to work" for less laws have accomplished is flattening of wages, destruction of pensions, and diminishing worker rights and benefits.

I always laugh at opinions like this from "workers" because they're doing the owners dirty work for them.

YEAH ITS IN EVERY WORKERS BEST INTERESTS TO BE FORCED TO GIVE MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT FUNNELS THE MONEY TO DEMOCRATS REGARDLESS OF THE WORKERS' WISHES

Already addressed in law and contract.
Members are allowed to specify whether any portion of dues can be used for election purposes.
Heck I'd be willing to support a ban on using union money for politics

IF

The same ban applied to corporate money.

Well, I gotta give you props for that. Most leftists think corporate money in politics is Satan's toe jam, but union money is good and righteous and holy.

But let's look at union political donations, like the AFGE.

"So far in the 2019-2020 election cycle, AFGE has donated $1,231,446 to candidates for elected office, either directly or through other political organizations. From this amount, $1,205,406 went to Democrats and liberal groups. $25,500 went to Republicans."

Do you believe 98% of government workers are Democrats?

I don't.

But then what about corporate money pushing anti-union legislation?
Do you suppose every shareholder agrees?
When Adelson drops $200M in an election cycle to promote anti-union legislation is that really one-man one-vote?

Do you think shareholders want their income to go down?

And if you oppose Adelson's political activity, you must also oppose George Soros'.

Please! Not every conversation need a soros' complaint.

And you see that you are part of the problem.

A guy owning 500k shares of Amazon is not going to suffer if Amazon's profit falls 0.5%.
A guy owning 5 shares isn't going to notice either.
BUT, in your greed you think you have to hold on to every dime.
But what happens when you force more and more people into poverty by squeezing each and every dime?
Go ask France, Russia, China...

 

[Dadoalex]

22 states have them and the Dems want to pass a Federal law to ban them. This would mean, if it passes, every worker in America would be forced to join a union in every shop which has one. Ya. the good ole dems don't like freedom of choice at all. I was in a union for 6 years, but I quit because the union kept giving my dues money to Bill Clinton, who I was vehemently opposed to. I wrote the union President about it and I never even got an answer.,

All the "right to work" for less laws have accomplished is flattening of wages, destruction of pensions, and diminishing worker rights and benefits.

I always laugh at opinions like this from "workers" because they're doing the owners dirty work for them.

YEAH ITS IN EVERY WORKERS BEST INTERESTS TO BE FORCED TO GIVE MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT FUNNELS THE MONEY TO DEMOCRATS REGARDLESS OF THE WORKERS' WISHES

Already addressed in law and contract.
Members are allowed to specify whether any portion of dues can be used for election purposes.
Heck I'd be willing to support a ban on using union money for politics

IF

The same ban applied to corporate money.

Well, I gotta give you props for that. Most leftists think corporate money in politics is Satan's toe jam, but union money is good and righteous and holy.

But let's look at union political donations, like the AFGE.

"So far in the 2019-2020 election cycle, AFGE has donated $1,231,446 to candidates for elected office, either directly or through other political organizations. From this amount, $1,205,406 went to Democrats and liberal groups. $25,500 went to Republicans."

Do you believe 98% of government workers are Democrats?

I don't.

But then what about corporate money pushing anti-union legislation?
Do you suppose every shareholder agrees?
When Adelson drops $200M in an election cycle to promote anti-union legislation is that really one-man one-vote?

Most progressive thinking corporations that are looking to make innovations in their production processes aren't interested in bringing in Big Labor as their partners.

The reason is simple.

Union work rules make it impossible to get rid of staff even if they aren't needed any more because of technological change. Contracts dictate how many men have to be assigned to a job, even if new machines and techniques make it ridiculous.

As a result, unionized rackets lag behind Scab outfits in adopting new processes and they fall behind.

When I worked for the UFCW in a supermarket for a few seasons in the mid 1980's, their big thing was fighting against scanning machines. There were union members paying dues whose job it was to put prices on each individual item who would lose their jobs (or really just moved to other duties)

Yeah!
But wait...
Who signed the contracts?
Who held the actual gun of no pay over the other's head?

I've said union efforts need to stay in the pay/benefits/working conditions arena but don't blame unions for the tendency of management to think exactly this quarter ahead. The greed of shareholders demanding ever more profits in each and every quarter or fire management is the issue.

Do you blame the unions for taking what they can get?
Then I suppose you also blame management for giving as little as it can get away with?

Maybe give this some actual thought? Republican talking points are just so 30 years ago.

Unions are like parasites eventually killing their hosts.

If union demands kill a business, how is that good for the union workers who no longer have jobs?

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't notice that machine gun held to the head of management forcing to sign a contract against their will.

GEEZ

Unions don't kill companies, bad management does.