Democrats: the more people know about government run healthcare, the less they like

[WillowTree]

As for INSURING Americans, which is what the current health care issue is about, I can see the cost advantages right away if more people feel they can now see a doctor for a small problem rather than waiting until it gets out of control, and then they become a part of the "free" system which taxpayers pay for anyway. The way I understand it, people can buy all sorts of coverage, including policies that cover bare bones, which would include X-number of visits per year for preventive care.

Maggie many of these people will not go see a doctor until its to late,there are plenty of people who have ins. and something going on and won't go until it's a problem....prostrate cancer is one disease i can think of....men dont want a finger up their ass,so they wont go....i have heard plenty of guys make fun of me cause i had a preventative colonoscopy....i hear "no one is sticking a hose up my ass"....and these are guys 50+ in age.....so this preventative thing wont fly with many people....

Count me as one who won't have a colonoscopy, but not because it's invasive, because at my age if they do find *something* I'm not about to drag around a bag of shit tied to my waist. If I have colon cancer, just give me the drugs for pain and let me die.

That said (ewwwww), there are people who won't see a doctor when they have, say, bronchitis which can easily turn into life-threatening pneumonia if not treated. That's the kind of preventive care I'm talking about.

Maggie Maggie Maggie.. don't think of colonoscopy as a diagnostic tool,, think of it as a screening tool,, what they like to find and find early are "polyps" easily removed before they become cancer.. so you won't need a bag.. Colonoscopy is right up there with pap smears and mammograms in yer arsenal against cancer. My beautiful young 40 year old cousin,, died of colon cancer..

 

[MaggieMae]

thats funny Bobo....i hurt my knee on the job.....i went to see MY doc. not theirs....his office as i found out along with many others will not treat any on the job injuries were they have to deal with the govt....ITS A MONSTER HASSELL with them im told.... if i was to use my private Ins., i was told no prob....mmmm?

That's just weird. I'd suggest getting another doctor. One who hasn't forgotten his Hippocratic Oath in favor of dollar signs.

you did not get that did ya maggie.....and here i was just thinking your fairly reasonable.....it has nothing to do with how much....it has EVERYTHING to do with dealing with the Dept of Labor....i ended up going to a Doc. recommended by my Union.....cause this guy puts up with their shit....he doesnt care....but he did say that even here in his clinic THEY ARE TOUGH TO DEAL WITH and take forever to pay ya.....AND they screw up the paper work ...A LOT....so you and Bobo go get that Ins.....i will stick to what i got for now...

I still say your incident is a rarity. I've lived in Vermont, Oklahoma, California, Mississippi and Texas and seen my share of injuries on the job (as well as dealt with Workers Comp paperwork on the employer end) but never heard a story about a doctor who refused to treat the injury.

 

[MaggieMae]

Every other Western democracy in the world has a single payer healthcare system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare and cover everyone. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma.

Read the article at this link....

Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org

oh geez here comes THE BOBOITES....

Yeah, it's just a normal part of our day to get smacked down when we post OUR backup information. You guys think you're always right, all the time because you are so tightly restricted by your own backup reading. So tell us again? If you're so "right" about everything, how come you're all running around sans a party to call your own with no cohesive alternatives? I keep Jack Kemp's quotation visible for a purpose. Think about it for a change.

 

[WillowTree]

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woke up cranky today did we???

 

[DiveCon]

Every other Western democracy in the world has a single payer healthcare system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare and cover everyone. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma.

Read the article at this link....

Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org

oh geez here comes THE BOBOITES....

Yeah, it's just a normal part of our day to get smacked down when we post OUR backup information. You guys think you're always right, all the time because you are so tightly restricted by your own backup reading. So tell us again? If you're so "right" about everything, how come you're all running around sans a party to call your own with no cohesive alternatives? I keep Jack Kemp's quotation visible for a purpose. Think about it for a change.

yeah, some dumbassed progress/liberal asshole site says it so it MUST be true

 

[Harry Dresden]

That's just weird. I'd suggest getting another doctor. One who hasn't forgotten his Hippocratic Oath in favor of dollar signs.

you did not get that did ya maggie.....and here i was just thinking your fairly reasonable.....it has nothing to do with how much....it has EVERYTHING to do with dealing with the Dept of Labor....i ended up going to a Doc. recommended by my Union.....cause this guy puts up with their shit....he doesnt care....but he did say that even here in his clinic THEY ARE TOUGH TO DEAL WITH and take forever to pay ya.....AND they screw up the paper work ...A LOT....so you and Bobo go get that Ins.....i will stick to what i got for now...

I still say your incident is a rarity. I've lived in Vermont, Oklahoma, California, Mississippi and Texas and seen my share of injuries on the job (as well as dealt with Workers Comp paperwork on the employer end) but never heard a story about a doctor who refused to treat the injury.

my Doc. would have....its his medical corp. that he is part of that wont,he wasnt to happy about it, but,thats his employer.....when i was doing the therapy at the clinic i was at,everyone Maggie,and i mean EVERYONE i talked to while doing therapy.....said the same thing about why they are here instead of at their own Doc.....their docs. did not wanna deal with the Dept of Labor.....they said the same as mine....they used to,but these guys are just horrible to deal with,especially the paper work......and they either misplace something or say they never got this or that....when the Doc. doing the post surgery care on me was telling me how tough they are to deal with,and his group is set up to deal with them,cause they do a lot of federal cases,sounds like a nightmare.....he wants national health care,BUT....he said if our govt has their hands in this,and sticks their noses in....he said it will be a nightmare....he said many Docs.wanna know....WHOM is going to run the show.....the feds or a non-govt agency....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Every other Western democracy in the world has a single payer healthcare system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare and cover everyone. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma.

Read the article at this link....

Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org

oh geez here comes THE BOBOITES....

Yeah, it's just a normal part of our day to get smacked down when we post OUR backup information. You guys think you're always right, all the time because you are so tightly restricted by your own backup reading. So tell us again? If you're so "right" about everything, how come you're all running around sans a party to call your own with no cohesive alternatives? I keep Jack Kemp's quotation visible for a purpose. Think about it for a change.

Chris can go **** himself.....hes a dipship....

 

[MaggieMae]

oh geez here comes THE BOBOITES....

Yeah, it's just a normal part of our day to get smacked down when we post OUR backup information. You guys think you're always right, all the time because you are so tightly restricted by your own backup reading. So tell us again? If you're so "right" about everything, how come you're all running around sans a party to call your own with no cohesive alternatives? I keep Jack Kemp's quotation visible for a purpose. Think about it for a change.

yeah, some dumbassed progress/liberal asshole site says it so it MUST be true

I see you're really just too stupid to see how utterly stooooopid that comment was.

 

[MaggieMae]

you did not get that did ya maggie.....and here i was just thinking your fairly reasonable.....it has nothing to do with how much....it has EVERYTHING to do with dealing with the Dept of Labor....i ended up going to a Doc. recommended by my Union.....cause this guy puts up with their shit....he doesnt care....but he did say that even here in his clinic THEY ARE TOUGH TO DEAL WITH and take forever to pay ya.....AND they screw up the paper work ...A LOT....so you and Bobo go get that Ins.....i will stick to what i got for now...

I still say your incident is a rarity. I've lived in Vermont, Oklahoma, California, Mississippi and Texas and seen my share of injuries on the job (as well as dealt with Workers Comp paperwork on the employer end) but never heard a story about a doctor who refused to treat the injury.

my Doc. would have....its his medical corp. that he is part of that wont,he wasnt to happy about it, but,thats his employer.....when i was doing the therapy at the clinic i was at,everyone Maggie,and i mean EVERYONE i talked to while doing therapy.....said the same thing about why they are here instead of at their own Doc.....their docs. did not wanna deal with the Dept of Labor.....they said the same as mine....they used to,but these guys are just horrible to deal with,especially the paper work......and they either misplace something or say they never got this or that....when the Doc. doing the post surgery care on me was telling me how tough they are to deal with,and his group is set up to deal with them,cause they do a lot of federal cases,sounds like a nightmare.....he wants national health care,BUT....he said if our govt has their hands in this,and sticks their noses in....he said it will be a nightmare....he said many Docs.wanna know....WHOM is going to run the show.....the feds or a non-govt agency....

I'm not disputing your own personal experiences. But I still do not think the majority of physicians are that hard-nosed. In fact, I'd go so far as to say most of them are comfortable enough with their financial status that the red tape, although expected, doesn't dramatically effect their bottom line.

Physicians for a National Health Program - Health Care is a Human Right

Physicians Can Lead Health Care Reform Through Payment And Delivery System Reforms

 

[jreeves]

Every other Western democracy in the world has a single payer healthcare system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare and cover everyone. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma.

Read the article at this link....

Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org

Yes Canada with their great government ran health care.....


Canadian patients face long waits for low-tech healthcare Opinion Articles - Special Editorial Reports | Editorials on Top News Stories | Washington Examiner

KEY DATA: The average patient waiting period between referral and actual treatment for 12 most-frequently needed specialties was nearly four-and-one-half months in 2008, double the average from 15 years ago.

KEY DATA: A third of Canada's gamma cameras, used in nuclear medicine imaging, and a quarter of its angiography and cardiac catheterization labs, for heart-related ailments, are more than 10 years old.
Canadians have significantly lower levels of access to several key medical technologies than citizens in other developed countries. Among member nations of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, Canada ranks a dismal 19th out of 26 for the number of CT scanners per million residents. It ranks 14th out of 25 for MRI scanners, and 19th out of 21 for lithotripters, which are used to treat kidney and gall stones.

Limited access to high-tech equipment has resulted in lengthy wait times for care. After visiting a primary care physician, the average Canadian has to wait more than a month to get a CT scan and more than two months to get an MRI.

According to Canada’s Fraser Institute, roughly 800,000 of Canada’s 33 million citizens are currently on a waiting list for some medical treatment. For 12 specialties across the country's 10 provinces, the average waiting period between referral from a general practitioner and actual treatment was nearly four and a half months in 2008. That’s double what the average wait time was 15 years ago.


Has it ever occurred to you, the reason we pay more is because we have a better health care system? The reason we have a shorter lifespan in this country is due to unhealthy lifestyles, where fast food reigns king?

 

[HUGGY]

oh geez here comes THE BOBOITES....

Yeah, it's just a normal part of our day to get smacked down when we post OUR backup information. You guys think you're always right, all the time because you are so tightly restricted by your own backup reading. So tell us again? If you're so "right" about everything, how come you're all running around sans a party to call your own with no cohesive alternatives? I keep Jack Kemp's quotation visible for a purpose. Think about it for a change.

Chris can go **** himself.....hes a dipship....

Right has nothing to do with it. This poster thinks his insults better input than a factually supportive response.

Asking a neo con to think for his or her self is a non starter. They let thier idols do the thinking. Thier job is to scorch the earth on those that can't be conned.

 

[jreeves]

oh geez here comes THE BOBOITES....

Yeah, it's just a normal part of our day to get smacked down when we post OUR backup information. You guys think you're always right, all the time because you are so tightly restricted by your own backup reading. So tell us again? If you're so "right" about everything, how come you're all running around sans a party to call your own with no cohesive alternatives? I keep Jack Kemp's quotation visible for a purpose. Think about it for a change.

Chris can go **** himself.....hes a dipship....

There are alternatives to turning our country's health care over to Washington, who has wrecked SS, Medicaid, and Medicare all of which have serious problems.

 

[jreeves]

Yeah, it's just a normal part of our day to get smacked down when we post OUR backup information. You guys think you're always right, all the time because you are so tightly restricted by your own backup reading. So tell us again? If you're so "right" about everything, how come you're all running around sans a party to call your own with no cohesive alternatives? I keep Jack Kemp's quotation visible for a purpose. Think about it for a change.

Chris can go **** himself.....hes a dipship....

Right has nothing to do with it. This poster thinks his insults better input than a factually supportive response.

Asking a neo con to think for his or her self is a non starter. They let thier idols do the thinking. Thier job is to scorch the earth on those that can't be conned.

A lot of people, right and left, don't particularly like the ideal of turning their health care over to crooks(politicians). Some people actually like to be able to get CT scans when they need them. Some people like to get Mri's when they need them....etc....

Some people like to be treated when they are injured or sick....

Those crazy neo cons want to get treated when their sick.....the nerve of them.

 

[Meister]

Yeah, it's just a normal part of our day to get smacked down when we post OUR backup information. You guys think you're always right, all the time because you are so tightly restricted by your own backup reading. So tell us again? If you're so "right" about everything, how come you're all running around sans a party to call your own with no cohesive alternatives? I keep Jack Kemp's quotation visible for a purpose. Think about it for a change.

Chris can go **** himself.....hes a dipship....

Right has nothing to do with it. This poster thinks his insults better input than a factually supportive response.

Asking a neo con to think for his or her self is a non starter. They let thier idols do the thinking. Thier job is to scorch the earth on those that can't be conned.

I'm waiting for the day the libs do their thinking for themselves, and quit thinking that our government is the answer. The brightest people in this great nation aren't in our government...they're in our private sector.
Huggy you let the government do your thinking for you...that's where it starts and ends for you. The government has problems with SS, they have problems with medicare, and you want them to take over the healthcare? I see no thought process on your end with that.

 

[Avatar4321]

Right has nothing to do with it. This poster thinks his insults better input than a factually supportive response.

Asking a neo con to think for his or her self is a non starter. They let thier idols do the thinking. Thier job is to scorch the earth on those that can't be conned.

And how many times have you resorted to insults on this board? I suppose according to your own statements here that we should concluse that you dont think for yourself.

I guess thats a convenient way to ignore the arguments you cant respond to. Declare moral superiority and pretend as though they arent made.

 

[WillowTree]

Chris can go **** himself.....hes a dipship....

Right has nothing to do with it. This poster thinks his insults better input than a factually supportive response.

Asking a neo con to think for his or her self is a non starter. They let thier idols do the thinking. Thier job is to scorch the earth on those that can't be conned.

A lot of people, right and left, don't particularly like the ideal of turning their health care over to crooks(politicians) . Some people actually like to be able to get CT scans when they need them. Some people like to get Mri's when they need them....etc....

Some people like to be treated when they are injured or sick....

Those crazy neo cons want to get treated when their sick.....the nerve of them.

think about it,, obamalama has tasked nanci pop up pelosi with writing the legislation for health care reform dosen't that just the shit outta you??

 

[MaggieMae]

Chris can go **** himself.....hes a dipship....

Right has nothing to do with it. This poster thinks his insults better input than a factually supportive response.

Asking a neo con to think for his or her self is a non starter. They let thier idols do the thinking. Thier job is to scorch the earth on those that can't be conned.

I'm waiting for the day the libs do their thinking for themselves, and quit thinking that our government is the answer. The brightest people in this great nation aren't in our government...they're in our private sector.
Huggy you let the government do your thinking for you...that's where it starts and ends for you. The government has problems with SS, they have problems with medicare, and you want them to take over the healthcare? I see no thought process on your end with that.

THE PROBLEM is that there is no viable alternative. I'd gladly climb on board for some new, proven less costly solutions. I have never been a strong advocate for universal health care, for the very reasons you state. IF it could be done in a cost-effective manner, however, I would probably be all for it. But I do advocate the health care insurance being proposed. To me, that's a decent compromise because THE PROBLEM is the number of Americans caught between a rock and a hard place--they aren't old enough for Medicare and earn too much to qualify for Medicaid--yet their personal out-of-pocket expenses for health care are breaking their backs.

 

[MaggieMae]

Right has nothing to do with it. This poster thinks his insults better input than a factually supportive response.

Asking a neo con to think for his or her self is a non starter. They let thier idols do the thinking. Thier job is to scorch the earth on those that can't be conned.

A lot of people, right and left, don't particularly like the ideal of turning their health care over to crooks(politicians) . Some people actually like to be able to get CT scans when they need them. Some people like to get Mri's when they need them....etc....

Some people like to be treated when they are injured or sick....

Those crazy neo cons want to get treated when their sick.....the nerve of them.

think about it,, obamalama has tasked nanci pop up pelosi with writing the legislation for health care reform dosen't that just the shit outta you??

She didn't write squat. Which is another total MISCONCEPTION. There is absolutely NOTHING, NADA, ZIP that has been sealed in concrete. The entire health care debate is currently only now being drafted in various versions by various congressional committees, the most recent (Friday) was Ted Kennedy's proposed plan. The entire subject has yet to be put in any type of form for floor debate, and thereafter there will be numerous amendment offerings, debate on those, etc., etc.

 

[WillowTree]

A lot of people, right and left, don't particularly like the ideal of turning their health care over to crooks(politicians) . Some people actually like to be able to get CT scans when they need them. Some people like to get Mri's when they need them....etc....

Some people like to be treated when they are injured or sick....

Those crazy neo cons want to get treated when their sick.....the nerve of them.

think about it,, obamalama has tasked nanci pop up pelosi with writing the legislation for health care reform dosen't that just the shit outta you??

She didn't write squat. Which is another total MISCONCEPTION. There is absolutely NOTHING, NADA, ZIP that has been sealed in concrete. The entire health care debate is currently only now being drafted in various versions by various congressional committees, the most recent (Friday) was Ted Kennedy's proposed plan. The entire subject has yet to be put in any type of form for floor debate, and thereafter there will be numerous amendment offerings, debate on those, etc., etc.

**** yew!

 

[WillowTree]

for anybody who is truly interested in who is writing your health care reform??



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LvJmGHoy04]YouTube - President Obama on Health Care Reform: Urgency and Determination[/ame]




dipshit pelosi is.