Democrats: the more people know about government run healthcare, the less they like

[Fraulein Hilda]

Why the hurry? Here's why.

Why the Health Care Rush? - WSJ.com

Democrats have so far succeeded in conjuring an illusion of political inevitability, which has kept industry groups in line lest they be shut out of the negotiations. But once the policy details of Mr. Obama's new foundation are poured -- above all for a public insurance program run by the government that will run private carriers out of the market and eventually fix medical prices -- even shell-shocked CEOs might stir up their courage to resist. Democrats are of course acutely aware of how industry opposition chewed through HillaryCare in 1994.

The reality is that Democrats are contemplating the most sweeping restructuring of the health markets since Medicare in 1965, and they don't want to let the details slow them down. Or to be more precise, they don't want to let the details let others slow them down. Better to grab what they will portray as a major domestic achievement while President Obama is at the height of his popularity and before anyone understands what it will mean in practice. The consequences and the cost can be explained later.

 

[KittenKoder]

Um ... yeah. Starting to see that knee jerk is bad now? Both sides?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Um ... yeah. Starting to see that knee jerk is bad now? Both sides?

Nothing intelligent is ever done in a hurry. Witness TARP.

Most government run health plans are an exercise in Euthanasia anyway. Maybe 0bamacare will be the solution to the solution to the Social Security funding problem and the issue of medicare funding as well.

So they will try and push this fast. They have the votes, as long as they move quickly.

Hillarycare died because they let it hang out too long, and people saw what was actually there. 0bama won't make the same mistake.

 

[Lycurgus]

By the time Obama is finished, his US National Line of credit won't be good enough to fund any damn national healthcare plan! LOL

 

[Sarah G]

The rush? Half of America will be poverty stricken if we continue with the hmo driven healthcare that currently exists for people.

Obama has already said there will be a better way to cover Americans with affordable healthcare for those who need it by the end of the year and he'd better do it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

the government can't do anything less expensively than the private sector why would health care be any different?

 

[editec]

the government can't do anything less expensively than the private sector why would health care be any different?

No?

You sure about that, are you?

Perhaps you should compare the admin costs of Medicare v the admin costs of private insurers.

They're in exactly the same business, but the Medicare, you will discover if you bother to look it up, is about 500% more efficient than the private companies.

That is about the most compelling argument that the single payer folks have for implementing that system, actually.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

the government can't do anything less expensively than the private sector why would health care be any different?

No?

You sure about that, are you?

Perhaps you should compare the admin costs of Medicare v the admin costs of private insurers.

They're in exactly the same business, but the Medicare, you will discover if you bother to look it up, is about 500% more efficient than the private companies.

That is about the most compelling argument that the single payer folks have for implementing that system, actually.

Junk stat, even if 500% is accurate. Which I doubt. Medicare administers only one benefit, and shifts costs to private insurance. So private insurance picks up the "administrative" cost of the same services.

The single payer will be the government. The more people understand government will make their health care decisions, the less they want this.

 

[MaggieMae]

the government can't do anything less expensively than the private sector why would health care be any different?

You have tunnel vision. Even major health care providers are on board with the health care INSURANCE program (which is the only one on the table).

US Health Care Bleeds $1T, But Can Be Saved - Science & Health News Briefs | Newser

 

[WillowTree]

The rush? Half of America will be poverty stricken if we continue with the hmo driven healthcare that currently exists for people.

Obama has already said there will be a better way to cover Americans with affordable healthcare for those who need it by the end of the year and he'd better do it.

Sarah,, he can't afford medicare now, how does he do it when 350 million Americans plus 30 or 40 million illegals go on it.. now remember he promised tax cuts for 95% of us.. remember that! and hold him to it okay?

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

the government can't do anything less expensively than the private sector why would health care be any different?

You have tunnel vision. Even major health care providers are on board with the health care INSURANCE program (which is the only one on the table).

US Health Care Bleeds $1T, But Can Be Saved - Science & Health News Briefs | Newser

Stockholm syndrome.

When people figure out government will make their healthcare decisions, they won't want this.

They are being lied to that this will not be the case.

 

[WillowTree]

the government can't do anything less expensively than the private sector why would health care be any different?

No?

You sure about that, are you?

Perhaps you should compare the admin costs of Medicare v the admin costs of private insurers.

They're in exactly the same business, but the Medicare, you will discover if you bother to look it up, is about 500% more efficient than the private companies.

That is about the most compelling argument that the single payer folks have for implementing that system, actually.

and is medicare not going bust?? or isn't that what they are telling us???

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

The rush? Half of America will be poverty stricken if we continue with the hmo driven healthcare that currently exists for people.

Obama has already said there will be a better way to cover Americans with affordable healthcare for those who need it by the end of the year and he'd better do it.

Sarah,, he can't afford medicare now, how does he do it when 350 million Americans plus 30 or 40 million illegals go on it.. now remember he promised tax cuts for 95% of us.. remember that! and hold him to it okay?

How about he takes care of his deficits, THEN figures out how to pay for healthcare?

 

[WillowTree]

The rush? Half of America will be poverty stricken if we continue with the hmo driven healthcare that currently exists for people.

Obama has already said there will be a better way to cover Americans with affordable healthcare for those who need it by the end of the year and he'd better do it.

Sarah,, he can't afford medicare now, how does he do it when 350 million Americans plus 30 or 40 million illegals go on it.. now remember he promised tax cuts for 95% of us.. remember that! and hold him to it okay?

How about he takes care of his deficits, THEN figures out how to pay for healthcare?

let Sarah answer!

 

[Navy1960]

He reiterated his support for allowing people to keep the plans they get through their jobs if they want, but also to offer the new public health insurance plan to compete against private insurers. "This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest," Obama wrote.

Obama urges Kennedy, Baucus to press ahead on healthcare - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama is leaving the door open to taxing health care benefits, something he campaigned hard against while running for president, according to senators who met with him Tuesday.

The Associated Press: Obama said to be open to taxing health benefits

So let me see if I can understand this correctly, we have a record deficit, a massive debt, growing unemployment, large compaines going backrupt, and along with the so called stimulus package that has created to my knowlegde at least a few jobs for the mice that are being studied in California. We are now proposing healthcare for all and not only that we will pay for it by taxing everyone? and forcing them to have healthcare if they want it or not? Further, what private enterprise wants to compete with the very entity that regulates it? Eventually the only game in town will be the Federal Govt. as private insurers will not wish to compete with Fed. The fact is that the Federal Govt. has a dismal record on healthcare and the VA should be a good indication of that. While it's a noble thing to want the Govt. to provide healthcare for all, there are simply people out there that do not want healthcare coverage. Here is a novel idea, how about paying down the debt and putting the economy back on it's feet and letting Americans make their own healthcare choices there's a novel idea. If the Govt. really wanted to be in the business of helping the American public with reforming an industry, they would regulate as they are entitlied to do under the commerce clause and perhaps more companies would want to get into the healthcare insurance business. There are many solutions other than a draconian edict from on high that demands everyone has healthcare.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

He reiterated his support for allowing people to keep the plans they get through their jobs if they want, but also to offer the new public health insurance plan to compete against private insurers.

Bullshit.

He said bankruptcy was not an option for GM and Chrylser. And that he would reveal US "state secrets." And release prisoner abuse photos.

Nobody on either side should trust him.

 

[Sarah G]

Sarah,, he can't afford medicare now, how does he do it when 350 million Americans plus 30 or 40 million illegals go on it.. now remember he promised tax cuts for 95% of us.. remember that! and hold him to it okay?

How about he takes care of his deficits, THEN figures out how to pay for healthcare?

let Sarah answer!

Willow, he didn't promise tax cuts for 95% of Americans, he said they intended to raise taxes on people who make over $250,000 a year.

Not certain where you get 30 or 40 million illegals going on Medicare...

 

[WillowTree]

How about he takes care of his deficits, THEN figures out how to pay for healthcare?

let Sarah answer!

Willow, he didn't promise tax cuts for 95% of Americans, he said they intended to raise taxes on people who make over $250,000 a year.

Not certain where you get 30 or 40 million illegals going on Medicare...

what do you call free medical care for illegals?? I'm going to search for obamalma telling us 95 % would get tax cuts..

 

[WillowTree]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=757UebP6euE&feature=related]YouTube - Politifact: Fact checking Obama's tax cut for 95% Americans[/ame]



what percent of Americans pay little or no income tax??

 

[Sarah G]

let Sarah answer!

Willow, he didn't promise tax cuts for 95% of Americans, he said they intended to raise taxes on people who make over $250,000 a year.

Not certain where you get 30 or 40 million illegals going on Medicare...

what do you call free medical care for illegals?? I'm going to search for obamalma telling us 95 % would get tax cuts..

Do you work?