Democrats: the more people know about government run healthcare, the less they like

[MaggieMae]

Okay sealy let me see if I can explain to you one more time, You, Me, and everyone else in this country have NO RIGHTS under the constitution that provide us for healthcare. Those rights not in constitution are reserved for who? the people and the states!! So if healthcare is what you want so desperatly, then perhaps put it on your statewide ballot or an even better idea , buy it for yourself. As for it not benig welfare please read the following:

The Democratic bill is likely to include a requirement for people to carry health insurance, subsidies for those who cannot afford it, and a requirement for employers to contribute to the cost.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/us/politics/05health.html?ref=us

You do know what that is don't you? so the goal is to cover everyone and the so called 47 million people that don't have insurance . I say so called because no one seem to know who these 47 million people are. Are 20% of them simply people who don't want it. or is that number higher. are the 12 million or so illegal aliens included in this figure. so yes sealy it is a welfare program.

The insurance won't be mandated. If you like your existing policy,what part of the private sector will be unable to compete against the government do you not understand??? density donut? you can keep it.you cannot keep it if it's not there density donut Yes, for people who want insurance and can't afford it, subsidies will be available. As for illegals, I expect to apply for any health insurance (bear in mind, the insurers will be the same ones who exist now), an applicant will need to provide a bevy of personal information.boy are you delusional,, where have you been??? If someone is here illegally and wants to remain in the shadows, I can't see him applying for health insurance because he would be reported. Or should be anyway.ever hear of identity theft density donut???








Those who don't sign on for any insurance at all, and then decide they want to at a later date, can do so but will be penalized a small percentage of the lowest monthly premium of available policies.

All details can be found here, but keep in mind that these are the PROPOSED clauses for the Health Care bill. Skip to about Page 30 to read the options proposed.

Expanding Health Care Coverage: Proposals to Provide Affordable Coverage to All Americans

What's so funny? Like you actually read close to 100 pages. Now THAT'S funny!!

 

[Harry Dresden]

Navy and Harry truly don't understand that their thinking is the culmination of 30 years of brainwashing. Reagan started with that bullshit line, "the worst words you can hear is, "hi I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

Its frustrating because it is so obvious that they're being misled and lied to. But you can't convince them.

And willow, well, she's just a retarded housewife who doesn't know shit.

geez Bobo now your starting to sound like Chrissy with his gun bullshit.........
bobo if you show me something and i can turn around and find plenty of stuff countering your shit....WHY should i believe you?....there are MANY people in these wonderful plans from countries around the world,that you site, that are not that happy with what they got....they are there,why should i believe you over them?....because your telling me too?.....because Obama told me too?.....your problem Bobo is you want this so bad,that you cant look at the negatives of this,because to you they dont exist.....and Michael Moore no doubt told you this....

 

[WillowTree]

The insurance won't be mandated. If you like your existing policy,what part of the private sector will be unable to compete against the government do you not understand??? density donut? you can keep it.you cannot keep it if it's not there density donut Yes, for people who want insurance and can't afford it, subsidies will be available. As for illegals, I expect to apply for any health insurance (bear in mind, the insurers will be the same ones who exist now), an applicant will need to provide a bevy of personal information.boy are you delusional,, where have you been??? If someone is here illegally and wants to remain in the shadows, I can't see him applying for health insurance because he would be reported. Or should be anyway.ever hear of identity theft density donut???








Those who don't sign on for any insurance at all, and then decide they want to at a later date, can do so but will be penalized a small percentage of the lowest monthly premium of available policies.

All details can be found here, but keep in mind that these are the PROPOSED clauses for the Health Care bill. Skip to about Page 30 to read the options proposed.

Expanding Health Care Coverage: Proposals to Provide Affordable Coverage to All Americans

What's so funny? Like you actually read close to 100 pages. Now THAT'S funny!!

is it as funny as when yer congresscritters who you entrust with yer life to run yer health care signed a 950 page stimulus bill they never read thereby endowing AIG with billions in bonus money and then turned around and had a witch hunt to hunt them down and beat them over the head to recover it.. you mean funny like that??? and you want to call us stupid?? well? how about that,, sure I laugh and

 

[Harry Dresden]

As for INSURING Americans, which is what the current health care issue is about, I can see the cost advantages right away if more people feel they can now see a doctor for a small problem rather than waiting until it gets out of control, and then they become a part of the "free" system which taxpayers pay for anyway. The way I understand it, people can buy all sorts of coverage, including policies that cover bare bones, which would include X-number of visits per year for preventive care.

Maggie many of these people will not go see a doctor until its to late,there are plenty of people who have ins. and something going on and won't go until it's a problem....prostrate cancer is one disease i can think of....men dont want a finger up their ass,so they wont go....i have heard plenty of guys make fun of me cause i had a preventative colonoscopy....i hear "no one is sticking a hose up my ass"....and these are guys 50+ in age.....so this preventative thing wont fly with many people....

 

[Chris]

Every other Western democracy in the world has a single payer healthcare system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare and cover everyone. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma.

Read the article at this link....

Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org

 

[Harry Dresden]

Obama is a great man and a great leader. He cares.

only 5 months in and hes got ya hook line and sinker........whos the fool?

 

[Harry Dresden]

You are one stupid ass leach...it ain't competing, it's the government mandating them. For the love of God, get your head out of your sorry ass and take a breath of fresh air. I don't give a shit about a CEO's pay, and ain't the ******* governments business to get into the policies of the private sector.

Yes it is. The government makes the rules. You are one dumb son of a cock sucker.

In your world it is...but you would feel comfortable in a communist country. By the way...the best part of you ran down your daddy's leg.

....sorry Bo.....

 

[DiveCon]

Obama is a great man and a great leader. He cares.

only 5 months in and hes got ya hook line and sinker........whos the fool?

Chris was fooled long before Obama was elected

 

[STAND4LIBERTY]

Every other Western democracy in the world has a single payer healthcare system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare and cover everyone.

Yet none of them seems to have a Constitution that mandates all rights lie with the people and the government is given only that authority explicitly defined within... hmmm.. why is that? could it be that those nations have governments that are inherently authoritarian in nature? Another significant factor is that those nations do not share either the scale of our population nor it's diversity, nor are it's citizens American who's shared heritage is one of self reliance and individualism, not collectivism.

Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma.

Yeah so when the gub'ment doctor royally screws you over, you have no legal remedy, you get to just stay screwed.

The "Other nations have it, so should we" arguement is so flawed that it's hard to believe that anybody still parrots it anymore. Exporting European socialism to the United States wasn't a good idea in the 20th Century and it's an even worse idea in the 21st.

 

[Harry Dresden]

In contrast to private insurers Medicare doesn’t have to spend millions on marketing, advertising, and Washington lobbyists. On top of that, private insurers must generate profits for their shareholders. In 2003, the HMO industry as a whole reported total earnings of $5.5 billion—up 83 percent from $3 million in 2002 , according to Weiss Ratings, a firm that assesses the financial strength of banks and insurance companies.

Private/For Profit is worse than Medicare!!!

But it’s not just the cost of marketing, advertising, lobbying and providing profits for investors that makes a private insurer’s overhead so much higher. Insurers also have higher administrative costs because they are constantly enrolling and disenrolling customers as people change plans. (The average turnover in an employer-sponsored insurance plan is 20% to 25% a year. By contrast, Medicare patients stay put. Even if they could switch, most prefer Medicare’s coverage to the coverage they had under a private insurer.)


What’s interesting is that, in the course of interviewing doctors for Money-Driven Medicine, I found that the majority preferred Medicare—even when it paid less—because it was so much less hassle. As The New York Times recently pointed out, private insurers make a game out of delaying reimbursement, and designing the forms so that the doctor leaves out one detail, he or she won’t be paid.


Do I really need to continue? You're wrong.

The Health Care Blog: POLICY: Why Medicare is More Efficient Than Private Insurers By Maggie Mahar

thats funny Bobo....i hurt my knee on the job.....i went to see MY doc. not theirs....his office as i found out along with many others will not treat any on the job injuries were they have to deal with the govt....ITS A MONSTER HASSELL with them im told.... if i was to use my private Ins., i was told no prob....mmmm?

That's just weird. I'd suggest getting another doctor. One who hasn't forgotten his Hippocratic Oath in favor of dollar signs.

you did not get that did ya maggie.....and here i was just thinking your fairly reasonable.....it has nothing to do with how much....it has EVERYTHING to do with dealing with the Dept of Labor....i ended up going to a Doc. recommended by my Union.....cause this guy puts up with their shit....he doesnt care....but he did say that even here in his clinic THEY ARE TOUGH TO DEAL WITH and take forever to pay ya.....AND they screw up the paper work ...A LOT....so you and Bobo go get that Ins.....i will stick to what i got for now...

 

[Avatar4321]

The "Other nations have it, so should we" arguement is so flawed that it's hard to believe that anybody still parrots it anymore. Exporting European socialism to the United States wasn't a good idea in the 20th Century and it's an even worse idea in the 21st.

No kidding. The fact that other nations due something is the stupidest justification there is for anything. We are a free people. We arent like other nations for a reason. If we wanted to be like them we wouldnt have spent centuries fleeing those countries and established a Constitutional Republic with limited government authority in this land.

Chris, if you think Europe is so wonderful, why dont you move there instead of changing our lives here?

 

[Harry Dresden]

ROFLMAO !!! Wow how blindly partisan and foolish must one be to make a statement like this?


Absolutely ! an orderly and non politicized unwinding of GM's malinvestments through the bankruptcy court would have given the company a chance to survive on it's own, what we will end up with instead is a permanent drag on our economy as the tax payer foots the bill for GMs operational loses. If you want to see how this turns out from a financial perspective just go look at Amtraks books then multiply the numbers by a thousand and you'll have some idea of what these wonderful people in Washington just put you and your children on the hook for.


Ford IS getting fucked since they're now being forced to compete with a tax payer subsidized, government controlled manufacturer. Essentially they are being forced to subsidize their own competitor who is controlled by the very entity that also controls fiscal policy and has regulatory authority.

More people are now buying Ford because they didn't take any government $. They have increased their output of F150's and they expect sales to pick up.

Their only problems are:

GM and Chrysler are offering really really low prices, especially dealerships that are closing. yep! got fucked over by democrats

And, Ford has debt. Chrysler and GM got to just wipe out their debt. yep, the taxpayer got fucked over by democrats

But Ford supported the bailout because they knew if GM and Chrysler went under, so would a lot of Ford's parts suppliers. ford didn't want to **** over the taxpayer like the democrats do

You really don't know what you are talking about son. And you clearly don't know what led us to this mess. yes we do,, democrats and their housing scam and the unions overpriced labor.

Obama is a great man and a great leader. He cares. He wants what is best for all Americans. The GOP, Reagan/Bush/Bush/Rudy/Mitt/MCCain/Gindal/Boehner/etc. They only want what is best for the rich. he don't care about shit,,just obama

Are you rich? Probably not rich enough to be voting GOP. ******* fool.

it's late friday bobo aren't you done yet? screwing your boss over for your wages???

he doesnt post on the weekends come to think of it......you do all this posting on the clock Bo?..........

 

[Harry Dresden]

Maggie, I'm afriad I have to disagree with your assertion that this is "Not Universal HealthCare" . As I have stated many times on here, no matter how noble the intentions, when the Govt. gets into the business of medical insurance and directly competes with other private carriers who they also regulate. Those other carriers will eventually simply not offer healthcare coverage to anyone that is deemed a "risk" or eventually just go out of the business of providing insurance all together. The end result will be a single payer, single managed, Govt. run Universal Healthcare program. However, I am somewhat brightened by the fact that the Govt. does not have the capacity to run healthcare for an entire nation without private contractors as they do now with medicare.

You're an idiot. Sooo sick of going over things with you and then find you saying the same bullshit a post or two later. MORON Alert!!!

you do the same shit Bobo what the hell you talking about?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Maggie, I'm afriad I have to disagree with your assertion that this is "Not Universal HealthCare" . As I have stated many times on here, no matter how noble the intentions, when the Govt. gets into the business of medical insurance and directly competes with other private carriers who they also regulate. Those other carriers will eventually simply not offer healthcare coverage to anyone that is deemed a "risk" or eventually just go out of the business of providing insurance all together. The end result will be a single payer, single managed, Govt. run Universal Healthcare program. However, I am somewhat brightened by the fact that the Govt. does not have the capacity to run healthcare for an entire nation without private contractors as they do now with medicare.

You're an idiot. Sooo sick of going over things with you and then find you saying the same bullshit a post or two later. MORON Alert!!!

i suspect navy has had bowel movements with more native intelligence than you possess, but he's too polite to say so. i, however, am not.
pinhead

...sorry Bo....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Every other Western democracy in the world has a single payer healthcare system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare and cover everyone. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma.

Read the article at this link....

Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org

oh geez here comes THE BOBOITES....

 

[MaggieMae]

What's so funny? Like you actually read close to 100 pages. Now THAT'S funny!!

is it as funny as when yer congresscritters who you entrust with yer life to run yer health care signed a 950 page stimulus bill they never read thereby endowing AIG with billions in bonus money and then turned around and had a witch hunt to hunt them down and beat them over the head to recover it.. you mean funny like that??? and you want to call us stupid?? well? how about that,, sure I laugh and

Funny the pubs read enough of the 950 pages to pick out the parts they didn't like, eh?

 

[WillowTree]

What's so funny? Like you actually read close to 100 pages. Now THAT'S funny!!

is it as funny as when yer congresscritters who you entrust with yer life to run yer health care signed a 950 page stimulus bill they never read thereby endowing AIG with billions in bonus money and then turned around and had a witch hunt to hunt them down and beat them over the head to recover it.. you mean funny like that??? and you want to call us stupid?? well? how about that,, sure I laugh and

Funny the pubs read enough of the 950 pages to pick out the parts they didn't like, eh?

and what about entrusting your life to these people Dummie Donut??

 

[MaggieMae]

As for INSURING Americans, which is what the current health care issue is about, I can see the cost advantages right away if more people feel they can now see a doctor for a small problem rather than waiting until it gets out of control, and then they become a part of the "free" system which taxpayers pay for anyway. The way I understand it, people can buy all sorts of coverage, including policies that cover bare bones, which would include X-number of visits per year for preventive care.

Maggie many of these people will not go see a doctor until its to late,there are plenty of people who have ins. and something going on and won't go until it's a problem....prostrate cancer is one disease i can think of....men dont want a finger up their ass,so they wont go....i have heard plenty of guys make fun of me cause i had a preventative colonoscopy....i hear "no one is sticking a hose up my ass"....and these are guys 50+ in age.....so this preventative thing wont fly with many people....

Count me as one who won't have a colonoscopy, but not because it's invasive, because at my age if they do find *something* I'm not about to drag around a bag of shit tied to my waist. If I have colon cancer, just give me the drugs for pain and let me die.

That said (ewwwww), there are people who won't see a doctor when they have, say, bronchitis which can easily turn into life-threatening pneumonia if not treated. That's the kind of preventive care I'm talking about.

 

[MaggieMae]

Every other Western democracy in the world has a single payer healthcare system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare and cover everyone. Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma.

Read the article at this link....

Mythbusting Canadian Health Care -- Part I | OurFuture.org

Thanks for the link. It's a keeper. Funny that we used to say "every industrialized nation in the world has a single player plan." Hell, we're not even an industrialized nation anymore.

 

[MaggieMae]

Every other Western democracy in the world has a single payer healthcare system, and they pay HALF per capita what we pay for healthcare and cover everyone.

Yet none of them seems to have a Constitution that mandates all rights lie with the people and the government is given only that authority explicitly defined within... hmmm.. why is that? could it be that those nations have governments that are inherently authoritarian in nature? Another significant factor is that those nations do not share either the scale of our population nor it's diversity, nor are it's citizens American who's shared heritage is one of self reliance and individualism, not collectivism.

Why? Because they don't have to pay liability lawyers, insurance companies, and Big Pharma.

Yeah so when the gub'ment doctor royally screws you over, you have no legal remedy, you get to just stay screwed.

The "Other nations have it, so should we" arguement is so flawed that it's hard to believe that anybody still parrots it anymore. Exporting European socialism to the United States wasn't a good idea in the 20th Century and it's an even worse idea in the 21st.

They will be "government" doctors? And here I thought you were such a genius.