Democrats: the more people know about government run healthcare, the less they like

[Fraulein Hilda]

You're wrong on every single ******* point. Punch yourself in the face idiot.

Fascism comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology[1][2][3][4] and a corporatist economic ideology.

Pot meet kettle.

Avatar was correct government control of private enterprise is inherently fascist (Federal Government take over of General Motors anyone?), the nationalist and radical portions are completely optional.

People still working at General Motors will not be receiving government paychecks. As Sealy pointed out, true fascism means everyone (EVERYONE) except the rulers works for the government. That isn't the case with GM, that isn't the case with the banks, and it won't be the case with health care.

Yes they will. Taxpayers are still pumping billions into that company and there is no end in sight.

Barack Obama will run it from top to bottom. He already is. With the exception of some Harvard pinheads who know nothing about the automotive industry he will appoint at a later date.

It is the case with GM. And banks. And will be so with health care.

 

[MaggieMae]

parasites who are retarded and are unable to care for themselves.. they have to be fed and watered cradle to grave,, not men meece.

You sit at home all day on your fat ass and your hubby takes care of you. ******* joke.

yes,, my husband,, not the taxpayer.. like you..sitting on your fat ass cheating your boss outta yer wages and screaming somebody owes you something.. parasite

Your husband's probably in Seventh Heaven now that you've found you can do all your screeching at your computer.

 

[WillowTree]

You're wrong on every single ******* point. Punch yourself in the face idiot.

Fascism comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology[1][2][3][4] and a corporatist economic ideology.

Pot meet kettle.

Let's see:

This administration is both radical and authoritarian.

And they are seizing control of industries and mandating that they follow what they want.

If it looks fascist it probably is.

None of this is being done for some sort of Hitler-esque power control. It's being done out of necessity to keep the economy from collapsing in the immediate future. If you think deficit spending looks out of sight because of the fixes already put in place and those planned to keep the economy from spiraling out of control, you ain't seen nothin like what the deficit spending would be if the country was forced to climb back up the mountain after crash landing to the bottom. The term "foreign aid" would take on a whole new meaning. WE would suddenly need some ourselves.

well,, we can see you haven't done your homework,, you need to check out GE,, and what they gain,, Seiu and what they gain,, ACORN and what they gain,, yep,, that's exactly what it is a marxist power grab. from start to finish.. quit swallowing the economy collapse kool aid,, remember your tax evading democwats put it best "never waste a good crisis"

 

[WillowTree]

You sit at home all day on your fat ass and your hubby takes care of you. ******* joke.

yes,, my husband,, not the taxpayer.. like you..sitting on your fat ass cheating your boss outta yer wages and screaming somebody owes you something.. parasite

Your husband's probably in Seventh Heaven now that you've found you can do all your screeching at your computer.

yes,, he pretty much likes it that way,,

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Gunny, It has to stop someplace if these young people don't get an education about the country in which they live soon and stop this notion that by being born here and sucking oxygen they have a right to just about everything under the sun. Soon all those Freedoms that everyone talks about will be a distant memory and every single decision they want or DONT want will be made for them.

parasites who are retarded and are unable to care for themselves.. they have to be fed and watered cradle to grave,, not men meece.

You're just too hilarious, Willow. I've come to the conclusion that you're the USMB's mascot--running the field and waving wildly to the crowd in your funny animal suit.

But she prolly looks better nekkid in her mascot suit than you do.

 

[MaggieMae]

frankly sealy if you can tell me other than the 300.00 dollars I have heard some are getting what exactly is the Stimulus doing? From what I gather if you look at the job losses from March till now it hasn't stimulated very much. I do like the idea of high-speed rail though and think thats an outstanding idea whos time has come. I would imagine especially in the places like Mi. thats hard hit construction on something like that would be a big benefit to the economy. Then again so would building Nuclear plants too. I will wait and see on the stimulus though.

Tracking the stimulus money is now set up on Recovery.gov, or you can go here and see project-by-project, state-by-state, town-by-town, day-by-day. All anyone needs to do is LOOK for this kind of information, rather than just assuming it doesn't exist.

Stimulus Watch: Keeping an Eye on Economic Recovery Spending

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Almost none if it has been spent, and the money that has been spent has been on broke welfare programs in states.

 

[WillowTree]

Almost none if it has been spent, and the money that has been spent has been on broke welfare programs in states.

Have the states who were forced to take the money figured out what they are gonna do when the money runs out and they are still expected to provide the entitlements that will then be unfunded??

 

[MaggieMae]

As for INSURING Americans, which is what the current health care issue is about, I can see the cost advantages right away if more people feel they can now see a doctor for a small problem rather than waiting until it gets out of control,

So you can see the cost advantages of increasing demand without a corresponding increase in supply? I'm assuming you do realize that medical care is a FINITE resource, right?

Exactly. Eventually, the cost factor will level out at numbers far less than the public (taxpayer) currently pays in hidden costs in order to care for uninsured as well as insured. That's the whole idea. (Although I've a feeling you didn't intend to actually agree with me.)

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Obama projected unemployment to be at 8% at this time after having passed his stimulus.

His own numbers.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Whatever you say Harry.

so i get the last word?.....Bobo let me put it to you like this.....i would love to see a great best on the planet health care system here.....But you and others who are all for this...NO MATTER WHAT....are not doing a good job of convincing me....the reason?....no matter what you put up here,i find just as many things countering your claims....and like i said in the other post on this, i know 4 from Canada,ones a nurse....she said there are way two many negatives about it,for it to be a model....so your not convincing me what you want will be better than what i got...

The negatives you bring up are made up. And our current system has more negatives that are REAL.

Why do you think most Doctors and nurses want what I want? Because they know your worries are lies that were fed to you from the very insurance companies that are gouging us.

And we don't need to convince you. Some people are just stubborn. We didn't need you to get Obama elected so we don't really need you for this.

First, the partisan dynamics have changed in Congress. While some Republicans might vote for single payer, they wouldn't need to. The Democratic leadership could persuade enough Democrats to vote to pass it without a single Republican, if they chose to.

A massive, well-organized public movement has been built that is pressing right now for single payer. In the House of Representatives, the leading advocate is Congressman John Conyers, D-Mich., whose bill H.R. 676 had 93 cosponsors in the last Congress. Conyers provides a useful FAQ here, and Physicians for a National Health Program has provided a longer one on single payer.

Other advocates include: Labor for Single Payer, Healthcare Now, the California Nurses Association and the Leadership Conference for Guaranteed Health Care, which boasts dozens of major organizational members.

Three Reasons Why Single-Payer Health Care Has Become Possible | Health and Wellness | AlterNet

my negatives are all made up...but your positives are right on....like i said Bobo,you will be for this even if you know it will be a disaster....your a terrible salesman for this plan....maybe you better talk about something your better at selling....like BULLSHIT...

 

[MaggieMae]

then don't do my homework for me,, i stated an opinion,, it won't work,, if you're too lazy to support your allegations that's on you not me.. so there tweakers. I already looked up my answers,, all my answers,, they are the right answers yours are the wrong answers..

I'm sorry, but you are a ****.

you remember that movie Deliverence! you remind me of that fat little guy.

And you remind me of the guy's wife who did him.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Why are Democrats afraid people will find out this is government controlled healthcare?

 

[MaggieMae]

Maggie, I'm afriad I have to disagree with your assertion that this is "Not Universal HealthCare" . As I have stated many times on here, no matter how noble the intentions, when the Govt. gets into the business of medical insurance and directly competes with other private carriers who they also regulate. Those other carriers will eventually simply not offer healthcare coverage to anyone that is deemed a "risk" or eventually just go out of the business of providing insurance all together. The end result will be a single payer, single managed, Govt. run Universal Healthcare program. However, I am somewhat brightened by the fact that the Govt. does not have the capacity to run healthcare for an entire nation without private contractors as they do now with medicare.

You're an idiot. Sooo sick of going over things with you and then find you saying the same bullshit a post or two later. MORON Alert!!!

I don't think Navy is a moron. He's just got tunnel vision.

I can understand why a lot of people are really scared of more government intervention, but I still think that we're now living in such a weird, unfamiliar world of convoluted globalness (is that a word?) that it's impossible for national governments NOT to intervene in those areas that will affect great numbers of its people because all it will take are a few loose threads and the whole thing can unravel very quickly (as we've already seen with the overnight crash of major financial institutions). At this point in the 21st Century, more government is scary, but no government would be foolish.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Now, more than ever, is the time to beat back government control of our lives and their plans to make us permanently dependent on them.

Free people are not dependent on government.

 

[WillowTree]

I'm sorry, but you are a ****.

you remember that movie Deliverence! you remind me of that fat little guy.

And you remind me of the guy's wife who did him.

this is a good sign,, least now we know the kool aid ain't killed off all yer brain cells,, better slow up though yer getting there..

 

[WillowTree]

I'm sorry, but you are a ****.

you remember that movie Deliverence! you remind me of that fat little guy.

And you remind me of the guy's wife who did him.

oh,, and btw,, it wasn't a "wife" who did him,, just saying is all

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

you remember that movie Deliverence! you remind me of that fat little guy.

And you remind me of the guy's wife who did him.

oh,, and btw,, it wasn't a "wife" who did him,, just saying is all

Um, yeah, that was a pretty big deal. A pretty big part of the movie to get wrong.

 

[MaggieMae]

And yet Thomas Jefferson said this:

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government."

You know when you quote from somebody, it's probably a good idea to find out what they meant when they said it, instead of just attempting to adapt the words to the meaning that suits your own purposes.

Given his stance on centralized government and government largesse Thomas Jefferson would have been the last person to support any sort of national healthcare system, especially given this nations current financial situation. As far as your quote goes how does forcing some people to pay for something that they neither want nor need (and potentially cannot afford) at the point of a government sword NOT constitute destruction of their happiness? I don't no many individuals who upon being forcibly robbed of the fruits of their labor find any happiness in the fact.

I know, I know. It was Jefferson v. Madison having the same conversations over different but same ideological issues as we debate here. The Jefferson quote was in an address to the Republican citizens of Washington County, MD, on March 31, 1809.

 

[WillowTree]

And you remind me of the guy's wife who did him.

oh,, and btw,, it wasn't a "wife" who did him,, just saying is all

Um, yeah, that was a pretty big deal. A pretty big part of the movie to get wrong.

well,, ya know what ronnie reagan said bout libral,, "they know so much that isn't so."