Democrats, quit blaming the cops

[idb]

Invading armies? WTF is this idiot talking about?

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Bloody hell!!!

 

[GaryDog]

I hear Hillary and Bernie both talk about "criminal justice reform" and how badly we need it.

The problem is, what they mean is we are going to go after the cops. Not address criminals, just the cops. In fact, lets let more criminals out of jail. And then when they are running the street addicted to meth, and rob a store for money to buy more meth, and the police shoot them, we will blame the cops.

Don't get me wrong, the bad departments and bad cops need to be dealt with, but lets put at least HALF of the responsibility on the criminals!

We have the most massive prison system on planet with the most violent police in the developed world.

More violent than Russian cops, even though Russians are more violent and just as well armed as Americans

Pigs who don't police their own don't deserve respect. Fuck em

This, x10.

We imprison more people in raw numbers than China or India.

CHINA. OR. INDIA.

But yeah, we go too soft on "criminals" in this country. What horseshit.

 

[Disir]

I hear Hillary and Bernie both talk about "criminal justice reform" and how badly we need it.

The problem is, what they mean is we are going to go after the cops. Not address criminals, just the cops. In fact, lets let more criminals out of jail. And then when they are running the street addicted to meth, and rob a store for money to buy more meth, and the police shoot them, we will blame the cops.

Don't get me wrong, the bad departments and bad cops need to be dealt with, but lets put at least HALF of the responsibility on the criminals!

Criminal justice reform is supported by the Dems and the Republicans. I don't know if anyone has noticed but there have been significant changes in code and sentencing rolled out through the states. Usually you will find bunch o' crap in key phrases like non violent crimes or property crimes as the selling point. It's heavily pushed by libertarians like the Koch brothers and others that prefer the privatization of the police force.
Koch Brothers Take On Camo-Wearing Cops

GOP contenders embrace criminal justice reform

The militarization of the police force began in the early 90s when they were encountering bigger guns and crap from the gangs.

Anyhoo, there is your freedom folks. Hope you enjoy it. Feel free to have your home burglarized, your car stolen, your credit card stolen.........

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Democrats, quit blaming the cops"

Republican, quit propagating lies – such as the lie that democrats ‘blame cops.’

 

[MikeK]

Obama supports thugs like Michael Brown and condemns cops before he even has a slice of the information. That is irresponsible beyond measure. All the riots in Ferguson were based on a lie, and Obama and his Justice Department fanned the flames.

Cops take shit now when they shoot someone who points a gun at them. It's ridiculous.

If one strongly wishes to believe something it is possible to imagine it is true or actually has happened. This mental aberration is commonly referred to as the mirage effect, or delusional fantasy, or it can simply be the result of wishful thinking.

So, can you cite one example of a cop being criticized for shooting someone who actually first pointed a gun at him? As far as I can recall in the recent series of police shootings the example of Ptl. Darren Wilson killing Michael Brown was a clearly justifiable shooting based on all attending circumstances.

 

[MikeK]

Invading armies? WTF is this idiot talking about?

Are you living in a cave? Pray-tell what good green camouflage does an officer while he's patrolling in a CITY? These guys are playing soldier. Law enforcement is not a game.

And why the masks?

 

[MikeK]

You are the one living in a F&*ng cave. Officers don't walk the streets wearing that stuff.

They wear it during riots (also know as Democratic gatherings) and when they are dealing with situations like active shooters. You know, when people are SHOOTING GUNS at other people.

There was a time when the National Guard was available for situations which call for soldiers in the streets. But the civilian police have gradually become fully militarized. Military-style clothing and equipment are issued to them and they are trained in military, not just para-military, tactics. The problem there is the pre-conscious effect of police becoming de-civilianized, thinking of themselves as soldiers, wherein it follows that their thinking will adjust to regarding everyone else as their enemies.

This is not the mentality we wish to foster in our civilian police. This frame of mind is appropriate for the National Guard -- to be called up when necessary. Simply stated, we want our civilian police to think like civilian police, not like occupation forces.

 

[MikeK]

Hey fuktard, what do you expect the police to wear going into an active shooter situation, or into a riot, cargo shorts and flip flops? Or does that question require too deep of thought for you?

Would it make you feel better if the body armor was pink?

Is there room in your thinking for something other than the extremes of camo BDUs and combat boots vs cargo shorts and flip-flops? Could you tolerate something in between, such as clothing that identifies civilian police as civilian police -- minus the masks?

 

[BULLDOG]

Hey fuktard, what do you expect the police to wear going into an active shooter situation, or into a riot, cargo shorts and flip flops? Or does that question require too deep of thought for you?

Would it make you feel better if the body armor was pink?

Is there room in your thinking for something other than the extremes of camo BDUs and combat boots or cargo shorts and flip-flops? Could you tolerate something in between, such as clothing that identifies civilian police as civilian police -- minus the masks?

Something along the lines of regular cop uniforms?

 

[MikeK]

Something along the lines of regular cop uniforms?

There ya go.

 

[MikeK]

Why don't do us all a favor and volunteer to go into an active shooter situation not dressed like a "soldier."

If you survive you can report back to us how it went for you.

Are you talking about an active shooter situation on a street in an urban or suburban American neighborhood -- or on the sands of Iwo Jima? Let us please get real.

And, once again, why the masks? They've become so commonplace in SWAT operations most people hardly even notice anymore. And that is a very real problem.

 

[MikeK]

Like I said, the police don't "patrol" in the "military" uniforms. The only time they break those out are for riots, search warrants, active shooter situations. So, do you have an example of a police department that has their street officers walking around in SWAT gear? Or not?

Being issued this kind of equipment and clothing and being trained in associated tactics imparts a mindset which is wholly inappropriate to the intended and desired function of civilian police.

Maybe you can tell us what purpose the camouflage serves in SWAT operations.

 

[MikeK]

So lay out which cases the police should NOT have body armor, helmets, AR15s, etc:

Active Shooter
Riots
High risk search warrants

There is need for specially trained and equipped units to deal with active shooter situations and riots. When such situations exceed the ability of civilian police to handle them that is what the National Guard is intended to be for. We should neither expect nor desire our civilian police to exist or perform in the manner of a military force. We had that sort of situation in the early 1700s in the form of the British Regulars, who wore red coats, just like soldiers.

That was troublesome.

 

[MikeK]

So lay out which cases the police should NOT have body armor, helmets, AR15s, etc:

Active Shooter
Riots
High risk search warrants

As for "high risk search warrants; do you mean like the one in which a SWAT team broke into a home to search for suspected marijuana, and during which one of the costumed morons tossed a flash/bang into a baby's crib and blew half his face off?

If you don't think this business of "high risk searches" hasn't gotten well out of hand in recent years, go here and do a bit of educational research:
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids


And here: Shedding light on the use of SWAT teams

The fact is American police have gotten out of hand. There are serious problems in the training standard, in performance Procedures, and in the quality and nature of supervision. American police have for the most part acquired some entirely false notions as to just who and what they are and what is expected of them.

 

[MikeK]

There are absolutely departments that need overhauls. I'm pretty sure I never said otherwise. But guess what? That same DOJ could find no wrong doing by Officer Wilson when he shot Michael Brown.

I would suggest that's because there was no wrongdoing in what Ptl. Darren Wilson did. Michael Brown was a bullying scumbag who, as clear evidence revealed, attempted to disarm Wilson for the presumptive purpose of using the gun against Wilson, who was both legally and morally justified in killing the sonofabitch.

 

[MikeK]

And that's not exactly a high bar. DAs have ZERO incentive to aggressively indict cops. Why? Because they have to work with them. Indictments are notoriously rubber-stamped, with virtually no evidence, in all criminal cases except cases where cops are defendants. Hell, cops illegally kill young children and aren't convicted:

There also is a money factor, which is dominant in this situation.

Whenever a cop is convicted of misconduct and there is a civilian victim there is an inevitable civil action which usually results in a punitive damage award, either in the form of a reasonable settlement or an exorbitant judgment award. It is a fact that New York City, alone, pays out an average seven hundred million dollars a year in lawsuits because of police misconduct. NYPD Abuse Increases Settlements Costing City $735 Million

That is why prosecutors are pressured to avoid convicting cops -- regardless of how guilty they are of a charged offense. Cops are well aware of this tricky circumstance and some take full advantage of it.

For this reason, if you are ever harmed by a cop, and if you file criminal charges against the cop, and if you wish to be certain the cop will be properly tried and appropriately punished, have your lawyer file a waiver of potential civil judgment -- meaning you cannot sue the cop's employer.

 

[MikeK]

We have the most massive prison system on planet with the most violent police in the developed world.

More violent than Russian cops, even though Russians are more violent and just as well armed as Americans

Pigs who don't police their own don't deserve respect. Fuck emThis, x10.

We imprison more people in raw numbers than China or India.

CHINA. OR. INDIA.

But yeah, we go too soft on "criminals" in this country. What horseshit.

The United States has devolved to a system of laissez-faire capitalism one aspect of which is law-enforcement and imprisonment have become profitable industries. This is why the plainly counterproductive War On Drugs goes on in spite of the fact that it serves no worthwhile or useful purpose.

 

[Trump.Stamped]

Why don't do us all a favor and volunteer to go into an active shooter situation not dressed like a "soldier."

If you survive you can report back to us how it went for you.

Are you talking about an active shooter situation on a street in an urban or suburban American neighborhood -- or on the sands of Iwo Jima? Let us please get real.

And, once again, why the masks? They've become so commonplace in SWAT operations most people hardly even notice anymore. And that is a very real problem.

Out of all that you are concerned about the mask?

 

[Trump.Stamped]

OK, there is a lot to respond to here.

One complaint is that SWAT is used too much for drug raids. There are 2 sides to this issue. Some people seem to think that if you are busting a house "just to bust marijuana dealers" that there is no risk or low risk. That just isn't true. Many times they are armed and are just as big of a danger as meth dealers. So, the next question is, should we make such a big deal out of busting people just for marijuana. We could debate that one all day. Sometimes I agree the risk is not worth the reward, both for the cops and the criminals. However, ask the neighbors of that house if they want the police to intervene or if they want their kids growing up next to a dope house. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Next, who gives a damn if the cargo pants the SWAT team is wearing are camo or all black? Does that really matter? As far as "tanks" the police don't have tanks. They have things such as bearcats, which don't have a cannon on them. That is a big difference. Watch the San Bernardino attack, the bearcats were used to shelter the responding police and civilians.

The bottom line is, the police don't want to die in the line of duty. If they are going to be in situations where they are likely to be shot at, they should have adequate protection.

 

[Trump.Stamped]

So lay out which cases the police should NOT have body armor, helmets, AR15s, etc:

Active Shooter
Riots
High risk search warrants

As for "high risk search warrants; do you mean like the one in which a SWAT team broke into a home to search for suspected marijuana, and during which one of the costumed morons tossed a flash/bang into a baby's crib and blew half his face off?

If you don't think this business of "high risk searches" hasn't gotten well out of hand in recent years, go here and do a bit of educational research:
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids


And here: Shedding light on the use of SWAT teams

The fact is American police have gotten out of hand. There are serious problems in the training standard, in performance Procedures, and in the quality and nature of supervision. American police have for the most part acquired some entirely false notions as to just who and what they are and what is expected of them.

I would argue that the American public is out of hand...