Democrats propose "transaction tax" on financial transactions. (Poll)

Do you support the new "transaction tax", and if so, what would you do with the revenue?

  • No, I'll explain why in my post

    Votes: 18 64.3%
  • Yes, to pay for free community college & job training

    Votes: 3 10.7%
  • Yes, to pay for 1/2 of 4-year college and advanced degrees

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, to pay into the general revenue fund to pay for SS & Medicare

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • Yes, see my post for where I'd put the $80b/yr revenue

    Votes: 5 17.9%

  • Total voters
    28
Why shouldn't a farmer take the same risks as any other business owner?
Food security

if a typical small business fails life goes on without their services

often times because other small businesses just like them do not fail

but when the weather destroys the crop of one farmer it destroys the crop of all the farmers and the nation starves
 
Trump was never and isn't "my guy", there's your first mistake.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What's so damn hard to grasp cutting spending?
Saying it and doing it are two different things and Republicans never do it...nor should they in most cases since there isn't a lot that can be cut without doing great harm...especially now as we try to recover the economy

DOPE
Republican voters do wish to cut spending. We are not pleased that it isn't done despite who is in power. Two questions, do you really believe that spending can't be addressed? Also, despite who is in office, how does a president fix horrible budgets? Isn't a shutdown the only option, and how long could a shutdown last?

It's a hollow claim. The debt went up $8 trillion under Trump but those who claim to want to address debt still voted to re-elect him. Not only that they supported cutting taxes while adding more debt.

I've asked over and over what would be the problem here with adding this tax and using the money to address the debt? A few replied that they don't believe it would be done and that's all well and fine but why don't the Republicans come to the table with this?

One again the thread is about what we would support, not what we think others would do. Very few seem willing to address the massive debt we have accumulated. Seems to me that the best way to get people to get serious about spending is to actually make them pay for that spending.
The altrnative to Trump was Xiden and the Dems....who are adding massively more then Trump and the GOP.

The Republicans had a long list of candidates in 2016 when they chose Trump. When a candidate does the opposite of what he promised they should loose support also.

Under Trump we had $8 trillion in debt. Trump supporters voted for more of that and now complain about the debt. The complaints fall on deaf ears.

The debt will always continue to rise until the largest drivers of debt are addressed...entitlements. Only one party, the GOP has attempted to address the issues.

Nobody is more entitled than the war machinery.

Seeing that the citizens can eat and or see a doctor when they need to, bad. Lying our way into wars with countries that do nothing to us, good.
I think most people voting for President...at least on the Conservative side, realize that a President can't do anything all on his own. So when a President promises to cut the debt, we know that he still has to deal with Congress. Trump did propose budget after budget that cut spending

The military is not, the largest driver of debt...entitlements are. That's a well known fact, and will continue to drive the debt until reformed. THe military budget is discretionary and can be cut and raised at will...entitlements are not.

There is nothing stopping a citizen from eating or seeing a doctor when they want to. Entitlements don't provide that right to people...they have always had it.

Many can not afford to see a doctor when they need to. It's kinda ironic how it's often times noted that those in the military often times have to rely on food stamps.

You want to take away the food stamps but still send them off to fight useless wars that benefit no one other than corporations.
If you live off base the military gives you an allowance for housing and meals.

Address the issue.

The Military and Food Stamps

You want to remove that while still sending them off to fight useless wars.

What makes you think I am in favor of any wars be they useless or not?

Because you refuse to demand they end. Because you argue with me when I say we need to do that.
Please, your projection about ending wars is about as believable as your debt nonsense that's been exposed.

You support dems like Obama and Xiden that expanded and created more endless needless wars, but vote out and attack someone like Trump that ended them. Your actions speak louder then your meaningless typing
 
Trump was never and isn't "my guy", there's your first mistake.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What's so damn hard to grasp cutting spending?
Saying it and doing it are two different things and Republicans never do it...nor should they in most cases since there isn't a lot that can be cut without doing great harm...especially now as we try to recover the economy

DOPE
Republican voters do wish to cut spending. We are not pleased that it isn't done despite who is in power. Two questions, do you really believe that spending can't be addressed? Also, despite who is in office, how does a president fix horrible budgets? Isn't a shutdown the only option, and how long could a shutdown last?

It's a hollow claim. The debt went up $8 trillion under Trump but those who claim to want to address debt still voted to re-elect him. Not only that they supported cutting taxes while adding more debt.

I've asked over and over what would be the problem here with adding this tax and using the money to address the debt? A few replied that they don't believe it would be done and that's all well and fine but why don't the Republicans come to the table with this?

One again the thread is about what we would support, not what we think others would do. Very few seem willing to address the massive debt we have accumulated. Seems to me that the best way to get people to get serious about spending is to actually make them pay for that spending.
The altrnative to Trump was Xiden and the Dems....who are adding massively more then Trump and the GOP.

The Republicans had a long list of candidates in 2016 when they chose Trump. When a candidate does the opposite of what he promised they should loose support also.

Under Trump we had $8 trillion in debt. Trump supporters voted for more of that and now complain about the debt. The complaints fall on deaf ears.

The debt will always continue to rise until the largest drivers of debt are addressed...entitlements. Only one party, the GOP has attempted to address the issues.

Nobody is more entitled than the war machinery.

Seeing that the citizens can eat and or see a doctor when they need to, bad. Lying our way into wars with countries that do nothing to us, good.
I think most people voting for President...at least on the Conservative side, realize that a President can't do anything all on his own. So when a President promises to cut the debt, we know that he still has to deal with Congress. Trump did propose budget after budget that cut spending

The military is not, the largest driver of debt...entitlements are. That's a well known fact, and will continue to drive the debt until reformed. THe military budget is discretionary and can be cut and raised at will...entitlements are not.

There is nothing stopping a citizen from eating or seeing a doctor when they want to. Entitlements don't provide that right to people...they have always had it.

Many can not afford to see a doctor when they need to. It's kinda ironic how it's often times noted that those in the military often times have to rely on food stamps.

You want to take away the food stamps but still send them off to fight useless wars that benefit no one other than corporations.
If you live off base the military gives you an allowance for housing and meals.

Address the issue.

The Military and Food Stamps

You want to remove that while still sending them off to fight useless wars.

What makes you think I am in favor of any wars be they useless or not?

Because you refuse to demand they end. Because you argue with me when I say we need to do that.

How do you know what I refuse to do or not?

I have never been in favor of any war the US has been involved in since WWII.

And where have i argued with you about wars? If you want to tell me what i said then use the fucking quote function and stop making shit up
 
Why shouldn't a farmer take the same risks as any other business owner?
Food security

if a typical small business fails life goes on without their services

often times because other small businesses just like them do not fail

but when the weather destroys the crop of one farmer it destroys the crop of all the farmers and the nation starves
So you think every farmer in the country will all fail at the same time?
 
Trump was never and isn't "my guy", there's your first mistake.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What's so damn hard to grasp cutting spending?
Saying it and doing it are two different things and Republicans never do it...nor should they in most cases since there isn't a lot that can be cut without doing great harm...especially now as we try to recover the economy

DOPE
Republican voters do wish to cut spending. We are not pleased that it isn't done despite who is in power. Two questions, do you really believe that spending can't be addressed? Also, despite who is in office, how does a president fix horrible budgets? Isn't a shutdown the only option, and how long could a shutdown last?

It's a hollow claim. The debt went up $8 trillion under Trump but those who claim to want to address debt still voted to re-elect him. Not only that they supported cutting taxes while adding more debt.

I've asked over and over what would be the problem here with adding this tax and using the money to address the debt? A few replied that they don't believe it would be done and that's all well and fine but why don't the Republicans come to the table with this?

One again the thread is about what we would support, not what we think others would do. Very few seem willing to address the massive debt we have accumulated. Seems to me that the best way to get people to get serious about spending is to actually make them pay for that spending.
The altrnative to Trump was Xiden and the Dems....who are adding massively more then Trump and the GOP.

The Republicans had a long list of candidates in 2016 when they chose Trump. When a candidate does the opposite of what he promised they should loose support also.

Under Trump we had $8 trillion in debt. Trump supporters voted for more of that and now complain about the debt. The complaints fall on deaf ears.

The debt will always continue to rise until the largest drivers of debt are addressed...entitlements. Only one party, the GOP has attempted to address the issues.

Nobody is more entitled than the war machinery.

Seeing that the citizens can eat and or see a doctor when they need to, bad. Lying our way into wars with countries that do nothing to us, good.
I think most people voting for President...at least on the Conservative side, realize that a President can't do anything all on his own. So when a President promises to cut the debt, we know that he still has to deal with Congress. Trump did propose budget after budget that cut spending

The military is not, the largest driver of debt...entitlements are. That's a well known fact, and will continue to drive the debt until reformed. THe military budget is discretionary and can be cut and raised at will...entitlements are not.

There is nothing stopping a citizen from eating or seeing a doctor when they want to. Entitlements don't provide that right to people...they have always had it.

Many can not afford to see a doctor when they need to. It's kinda ironic how it's often times noted that those in the military often times have to rely on food stamps.

You want to take away the food stamps but still send them off to fight useless wars that benefit no one other than corporations.
If you live off base the military gives you an allowance for housing and meals.

Address the issue.

The Military and Food Stamps

You want to remove that while still sending them off to fight useless wars.

What makes you think I am in favor of any wars be they useless or not?

Because you refuse to demand they end. Because you argue with me when I say we need to do that.

How do you know what I refuse to do or not?

I have never been in favor of any war the US has been involved in since WWII.

And where have i argued with you about wars? If you want to tell me what i said then use the fucking quote function and stop making shit up

And yet you argue when I say cut the military. That was my position here. Why are you arguing with me as opposed to agreeing with me?
 
you think every farmer in the country will all fail at the same time?
No

the weather is not uniform nationwide

but over time it can drive all the farmers out of business EXCEPT the giant agro corps that farm land in different parts of the country
 
I agree

Right now the super wealthy are only taxed on their income. They are clever enough not to claim income. We cannot touch their wealth.
A small fee on transactions (like a sales tax) will open up their wealth to taxation
It is not the super wealthy that do day trading.
Sure they take part in it, but only to a small degree.
 
I agree

Right now the super wealthy are only taxed on their income. They are clever enough not to claim income. We cannot touch their wealth.
A small fee on transactions (like a sales tax) will open up their wealth to taxation
It is not the super wealthy that do day trading.
Sure they take part in it, but only to a small degree.

They don't have to. They have computers to do their trading.
 
Demand wars end?

you think wars will end because you demand it?
 
I agree

Right now the super wealthy are only taxed on their income. They are clever enough not to claim income. We cannot touch their wealth.
A small fee on transactions (like a sales tax) will open up their wealth to taxation
It is not the super wealthy that do day trading.
Sure they take part in it, but only to a small degree.

They don't have to. They have computers to do their trading.
I have a computer too...and trade on it...I don't consider myself super-wealthy
 
I agree

Right now the super wealthy are only taxed on their income. They are clever enough not to claim income. We cannot touch their wealth.
A small fee on transactions (like a sales tax) will open up their wealth to taxation
It is not the super wealthy that do day trading.
Sure they take part in it, but only to a small degree.

They still engage in substantial stock transactions. Requiring that they pay a fee on those transaction will tap the wealth that is now protected
 
I agree

Right now the super wealthy are only taxed on their income. They are clever enough not to claim income. We cannot touch their wealth.
A small fee on transactions (like a sales tax) will open up their wealth to taxation
It is not the super wealthy that do day trading.
Sure they take part in it, but only to a small degree.

They still engage in substantial stock transactions. Requiring that they pay a fee on those transaction will tap the wealth that is now protected
Taxes when started are difficult to end and they end up increasing as time goes by. This is part of the globalist tax system that we are being forced into.
 
I agree

Right now the super wealthy are only taxed on their income. They are clever enough not to claim income. We cannot touch their wealth.
A small fee on transactions (like a sales tax) will open up their wealth to taxation
It is not the super wealthy that do day trading.
Sure they take part in it, but only to a small degree.

They still engage in substantial stock transactions. Requiring that they pay a fee on those transaction will tap the wealth that is now protected

Wealth in the market is protected? WTF stupid-ass teacher told you that?
 
Trump was never and isn't "my guy", there's your first mistake.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What's so damn hard to grasp cutting spending?
Saying it and doing it are two different things and Republicans never do it...nor should they in most cases since there isn't a lot that can be cut without doing great harm...especially now as we try to recover the economy

DOPE
Republican voters do wish to cut spending. We are not pleased that it isn't done despite who is in power. Two questions, do you really believe that spending can't be addressed? Also, despite who is in office, how does a president fix horrible budgets? Isn't a shutdown the only option, and how long could a shutdown last?

It's a hollow claim. The debt went up $8 trillion under Trump but those who claim to want to address debt still voted to re-elect him. Not only that they supported cutting taxes while adding more debt.

I've asked over and over what would be the problem here with adding this tax and using the money to address the debt? A few replied that they don't believe it would be done and that's all well and fine but why don't the Republicans come to the table with this?

One again the thread is about what we would support, not what we think others would do. Very few seem willing to address the massive debt we have accumulated. Seems to me that the best way to get people to get serious about spending is to actually make them pay for that spending.
The altrnative to Trump was Xiden and the Dems....who are adding massively more then Trump and the GOP.

The Republicans had a long list of candidates in 2016 when they chose Trump. When a candidate does the opposite of what he promised they should loose support also.

Under Trump we had $8 trillion in debt. Trump supporters voted for more of that and now complain about the debt. The complaints fall on deaf ears.

The debt will always continue to rise until the largest drivers of debt are addressed...entitlements. Only one party, the GOP has attempted to address the issues.

Nobody is more entitled than the war machinery.

Seeing that the citizens can eat and or see a doctor when they need to, bad. Lying our way into wars with countries that do nothing to us, good.
I think most people voting for President...at least on the Conservative side, realize that a President can't do anything all on his own. So when a President promises to cut the debt, we know that he still has to deal with Congress. Trump did propose budget after budget that cut spending

The military is not, the largest driver of debt...entitlements are. That's a well known fact, and will continue to drive the debt until reformed. THe military budget is discretionary and can be cut and raised at will...entitlements are not.

There is nothing stopping a citizen from eating or seeing a doctor when they want to. Entitlements don't provide that right to people...they have always had it.

Many can not afford to see a doctor when they need to. It's kinda ironic how it's often times noted that those in the military often times have to rely on food stamps.

You want to take away the food stamps but still send them off to fight useless wars that benefit no one other than corporations.
If you live off base the military gives you an allowance for housing and meals.

Address the issue.

The Military and Food Stamps

You want to remove that while still sending them off to fight useless wars.

What makes you think I am in favor of any wars be they useless or not?

Because you refuse to demand they end. Because you argue with me when I say we need to do that.

How do you know what I refuse to do or not?

I have never been in favor of any war the US has been involved in since WWII.

And where have i argued with you about wars? If you want to tell me what i said then use the fucking quote function and stop making shit up

And yet you argue when I say cut the military. That was my position here. Why are you arguing with me as opposed to agreeing with me?

If you are going to tell me what I said USE THE FUCKING QUOTE FUNCTION.

I said nothing about cutting the military
 
you think every farmer in the country will all fail at the same time?
No

the weather is not uniform nationwide

but over time it can drive all the farmers out of business EXCEPT the giant agro corps that farm land in different parts of the country

Why is it the government's responsibility to choose which farming businesses stay solvent?


 
Trump was never and isn't "my guy", there's your first mistake.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What's so damn hard to grasp cutting spending?
Saying it and doing it are two different things and Republicans never do it...nor should they in most cases since there isn't a lot that can be cut without doing great harm...especially now as we try to recover the economy

DOPE
Republican voters do wish to cut spending. We are not pleased that it isn't done despite who is in power. Two questions, do you really believe that spending can't be addressed? Also, despite who is in office, how does a president fix horrible budgets? Isn't a shutdown the only option, and how long could a shutdown last?

It's a hollow claim. The debt went up $8 trillion under Trump but those who claim to want to address debt still voted to re-elect him. Not only that they supported cutting taxes while adding more debt.

I've asked over and over what would be the problem here with adding this tax and using the money to address the debt? A few replied that they don't believe it would be done and that's all well and fine but why don't the Republicans come to the table with this?

One again the thread is about what we would support, not what we think others would do. Very few seem willing to address the massive debt we have accumulated. Seems to me that the best way to get people to get serious about spending is to actually make them pay for that spending.
Why did you support and vote for Commie Stein, who ran on the Green New Deal, which would have cost $110 TRILLION. She offered no way to pay for it.

pknopp will keep dodging this.............
 
Trump was never and isn't "my guy", there's your first mistake.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What's so damn hard to grasp cutting spending?
Saying it and doing it are two different things and Republicans never do it...nor should they in most cases since there isn't a lot that can be cut without doing great harm...especially now as we try to recover the economy

DOPE
Republican voters do wish to cut spending. We are not pleased that it isn't done despite who is in power. Two questions, do you really believe that spending can't be addressed? Also, despite who is in office, how does a president fix horrible budgets? Isn't a shutdown the only option, and how long could a shutdown last?

It's a hollow claim. The debt went up $8 trillion under Trump but those who claim to want to address debt still voted to re-elect him. Not only that they supported cutting taxes while adding more debt.

I've asked over and over what would be the problem here with adding this tax and using the money to address the debt? A few replied that they don't believe it would be done and that's all well and fine but why don't the Republicans come to the table with this?

One again the thread is about what we would support, not what we think others would do. Very few seem willing to address the massive debt we have accumulated. Seems to me that the best way to get people to get serious about spending is to actually make them pay for that spending.
The altrnative to Trump was Xiden and the Dems....who are adding massively more then Trump and the GOP.

The Republicans had a long list of candidates in 2016 when they chose Trump. When a candidate does the opposite of what he promised they should loose support also.

Under Trump we had $8 trillion in debt. Trump supporters voted for more of that and now complain about the debt. The complaints fall on deaf ears.

The debt will always continue to rise until the largest drivers of debt are addressed...entitlements. Only one party, the GOP has attempted to address the issues.

Nobody is more entitled than the war machinery.

Seeing that the citizens can eat and or see a doctor when they need to, bad. Lying our way into wars with countries that do nothing to us, good.
I think most people voting for President...at least on the Conservative side, realize that a President can't do anything all on his own. So when a President promises to cut the debt, we know that he still has to deal with Congress. Trump did propose budget after budget that cut spending

The military is not, the largest driver of debt...entitlements are. That's a well known fact, and will continue to drive the debt until reformed. THe military budget is discretionary and can be cut and raised at will...entitlements are not.

There is nothing stopping a citizen from eating or seeing a doctor when they want to. Entitlements don't provide that right to people...they have always had it.

Many can not afford to see a doctor when they need to. It's kinda ironic how it's often times noted that those in the military often times have to rely on food stamps.

You want to take away the food stamps but still send them off to fight useless wars that benefit no one other than corporations.
If you live off base the military gives you an allowance for housing and meals.

Address the issue.

The Military and Food Stamps

You want to remove that while still sending them off to fight useless wars.

What makes you think I am in favor of any wars be they useless or not?

Because you refuse to demand they end. Because you argue with me when I say we need to do that.

How do you know what I refuse to do or not?

I have never been in favor of any war the US has been involved in since WWII.

And where have i argued with you about wars? If you want to tell me what i said then use the fucking quote function and stop making shit up

And yet you argue when I say cut the military. That was my position here. Why are you arguing with me as opposed to agreeing with me?

If you are going to tell me what I said USE THE FUCKING QUOTE FUNCTION.

I said nothing about cutting the military

I did and here you are still arguing with me.
 
Trump was never and isn't "my guy", there's your first mistake.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What's so damn hard to grasp cutting spending?
Saying it and doing it are two different things and Republicans never do it...nor should they in most cases since there isn't a lot that can be cut without doing great harm...especially now as we try to recover the economy

DOPE
Republican voters do wish to cut spending. We are not pleased that it isn't done despite who is in power. Two questions, do you really believe that spending can't be addressed? Also, despite who is in office, how does a president fix horrible budgets? Isn't a shutdown the only option, and how long could a shutdown last?

It's a hollow claim. The debt went up $8 trillion under Trump but those who claim to want to address debt still voted to re-elect him. Not only that they supported cutting taxes while adding more debt.

I've asked over and over what would be the problem here with adding this tax and using the money to address the debt? A few replied that they don't believe it would be done and that's all well and fine but why don't the Republicans come to the table with this?

One again the thread is about what we would support, not what we think others would do. Very few seem willing to address the massive debt we have accumulated. Seems to me that the best way to get people to get serious about spending is to actually make them pay for that spending.
Why did you support and vote for Commie Stein, who ran on the Green New Deal, which would have cost $110 TRILLION. She offered no way to pay for it.

pknopp will keep dodging this.............

I explained this. Not my fault you ignored what I said.
 
Trump was never and isn't "my guy", there's your first mistake.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What's so damn hard to grasp cutting spending?
Saying it and doing it are two different things and Republicans never do it...nor should they in most cases since there isn't a lot that can be cut without doing great harm...especially now as we try to recover the economy

DOPE
Republican voters do wish to cut spending. We are not pleased that it isn't done despite who is in power. Two questions, do you really believe that spending can't be addressed? Also, despite who is in office, how does a president fix horrible budgets? Isn't a shutdown the only option, and how long could a shutdown last?

It's a hollow claim. The debt went up $8 trillion under Trump but those who claim to want to address debt still voted to re-elect him. Not only that they supported cutting taxes while adding more debt.

I've asked over and over what would be the problem here with adding this tax and using the money to address the debt? A few replied that they don't believe it would be done and that's all well and fine but why don't the Republicans come to the table with this?

One again the thread is about what we would support, not what we think others would do. Very few seem willing to address the massive debt we have accumulated. Seems to me that the best way to get people to get serious about spending is to actually make them pay for that spending.
The altrnative to Trump was Xiden and the Dems....who are adding massively more then Trump and the GOP.

The Republicans had a long list of candidates in 2016 when they chose Trump. When a candidate does the opposite of what he promised they should loose support also.

Under Trump we had $8 trillion in debt. Trump supporters voted for more of that and now complain about the debt. The complaints fall on deaf ears.

The debt will always continue to rise until the largest drivers of debt are addressed...entitlements. Only one party, the GOP has attempted to address the issues.

Nobody is more entitled than the war machinery.

Seeing that the citizens can eat and or see a doctor when they need to, bad. Lying our way into wars with countries that do nothing to us, good.
I think most people voting for President...at least on the Conservative side, realize that a President can't do anything all on his own. So when a President promises to cut the debt, we know that he still has to deal with Congress. Trump did propose budget after budget that cut spending

The military is not, the largest driver of debt...entitlements are. That's a well known fact, and will continue to drive the debt until reformed. THe military budget is discretionary and can be cut and raised at will...entitlements are not.

There is nothing stopping a citizen from eating or seeing a doctor when they want to. Entitlements don't provide that right to people...they have always had it.

Many can not afford to see a doctor when they need to. It's kinda ironic how it's often times noted that those in the military often times have to rely on food stamps.

You want to take away the food stamps but still send them off to fight useless wars that benefit no one other than corporations.
If you live off base the military gives you an allowance for housing and meals.

Address the issue.

The Military and Food Stamps

You want to remove that while still sending them off to fight useless wars.

What makes you think I am in favor of any wars be they useless or not?

Because you refuse to demand they end. Because you argue with me when I say we need to do that.

How do you know what I refuse to do or not?

I have never been in favor of any war the US has been involved in since WWII.

And where have i argued with you about wars? If you want to tell me what i said then use the fucking quote function and stop making shit up

And yet you argue when I say cut the military. That was my position here. Why are you arguing with me as opposed to agreeing with me?

If you are going to tell me what I said USE THE FUCKING QUOTE FUNCTION.

I said nothing about cutting the military

I did and here you are still arguing with me.
you are making up statements and attributing them to me and you say I am arguing with you?

So if you want to tell me what I said

USE THE FUCKING QUOTE FUNCTION
 
I agree

Right now the super wealthy are only taxed on their income. They are clever enough not to claim income. We cannot touch their wealth.
A small fee on transactions (like a sales tax) will open up their wealth to taxation
It is not the super wealthy that do day trading.
Sure they take part in it, but only to a small degree.

They still engage in substantial stock transactions. Requiring that they pay a fee on those transaction will tap the wealth that is now protected
The super wealtly aren't the only ones that invest in the stock market.....they are just the only ones that can afford the extra tax....this is just another way to tax the working class trying to get ahead anda keep them down, and protect the super wealthy...typical of the facist in the DNC
 

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