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Democrats Need to Drop the Gun-Control Issue

Hollie

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you can repeat those lies as much as you want but they are still lies
There are over 450 million firearms in America

Probably less than 300 million and probably only half of those are functional.

Yes, it will take a while to clean them all up... but it can be done.

Probably less than 300 million and probably only half of those are functional.”

Pretty typical for the rabid leftist narrative. No source, no factual data, just the usual “… because I’m ignorant, I’ll just make something up”

Data for 2009.


By … 2009, the estimated total number of firearms available to civilians in the United States had increased to approximately 310 million: 114 million handguns, 110 million rifles, and 86 million shotguns(36). Per capita, the civilian gun stock has roughly doubled since 1968, from one gun per every two persons to one gun per person…
 

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And we need to arrest those who possess guns illegally.

And we already have laws that limit who can get a gun we just don't enforce them.

No, we really don't. Most Americans don't realize how lax our gun laws really are.

THIS GUY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BUY A GUN.
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Most rabid leftists don’t know how involved a gun purchase is… until they try to buy one.

Funny, stuff. As usual, the rabid leftist cares not a wit for the facts.

 

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you can repeat those lies as much as you want but they are still lies
There are over 450 million firearms in America

Probably less than 300 million and probably only half of those are functional.

Yes, it will take a while to clean them all up... but it can be done.

Probably less than 300 million and probably only half of those are functional.”

Pretty typical for the rabid leftist narrative. No source, no factual data, just the usual “… because I’m ignorant, I’ll just make something up”

Data for 2009.


By … 2009, the estimated total number of firearms available to civilians in the United States had increased to approximately 310 million: 114 million handguns, 110 million rifles, and 86 million shotguns(36). Per capita, the civilian gun stock has roughly doubled since 1968, from one gun per every two persons to one gun per person…
that's just the guns we know about not including firearms made from 80% lowers
and the data from 2009 doubled by 2021
 

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you can repeat those lies as much as you want but they are still lies
There are over 450 million firearms in America

Probably less than 300 million and probably only half of those are functional.

Yes, it will take a while to clean them all up... but it can be done.

Probably less than 300 million and probably only half of those are functional.”

Pretty typical for the rabid leftist narrative. No source, no factual data, just the usual “… because I’m ignorant, I’ll just make something up”

Data for 2009.


By … 2009, the estimated total number of firearms available to civilians in the United States had increased to approximately 310 million: 114 million handguns, 110 million rifles, and 86 million shotguns(36). Per capita, the civilian gun stock has roughly doubled since 1968, from one gun per every two persons to one gun per person…
that's just the guns we know about not including firearms made from 80% lowers
and the data from 2009 doubled by 2021
Exactly right!
 

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What is your obsession with this guy? Do you jerk off to that picture?

Here's my obsession

He had absolutely no business getting a gun. And he was still able to get one. A military grade rifle with a 100 round magazine. Something no civilian has a need for.

He killed 17 people and injured dozens more.

Where the guy who just held up the Store 24 used an illegally procured handgun but those gun charges will be dropped.

Okay. How many people did he kill in the process. What? Zero? Amazing how that works.
 

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Less than half of all people in jail or prison have been convicted of violent crimes.
There are more people in prison for shit like property crimes and simple drug possession than there are violent offenders.

Like I said we lock up the wrong people because we have to feed the prison for profit corporations.

Okay, let's look at that one.

SO you want to let a bunch of thieves and druggies out to make room for the dumb punk who got caught with a gun, because that will show them. You know, instead of actually making it harder for a punk to get a gun to start with or holding the gun industry responsible for selling him a gun.

You know, a punk with a gun probably isn't going to bother me all that much. But a druggie on the road might. Or a guy who likes to break into houses and steal shit.

Again, the problem is the gun industry selling guns to punks and crazy people so white people get all scared and want them, too.


That punk is carrying that gun for a reason......to shoot rivals he sees on the street or to execute rivals on the orders of his gang...you moron.
 

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That punk is carrying that gun for a reason......to shoot rivals he sees on the street or to execute rivals on the orders of his gang...you moron.

Or maybe just to protect himself from all the other punks with guns, because the National Rampage Society made getting guns so easy even THESE guys can do it.

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What amuses me is that you want a gun for "protection", but you get upset when people of color want them, too.

Silly Darkie. Rights are for white people.
 

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That punk is carrying that gun for a reason......to shoot rivals he sees on the street or to execute rivals on the orders of his gang...you moron.

Or maybe just to protect himself from all the other punks with guns, because the National Rampage Society made getting guns so easy even THESE guys can do it.

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What amuses me is that you want a gun for "protection", but you get upset when people of color want them, too.

Silly Darkie. Rights are for white people.
Typical rabid leftist. Play the race card.

Odd, though. Gun sales increased dramatically when rabid leftist policies focused on defunding the police and letting criminals walk away from accountability for the crimes they committed.

Yeah. People realized that the socialist utopia promoted by the Left was a disaster for their personal safety. Leftist policies help sell firearms.
 

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What is your obsession with this guy? Do you jerk off to that picture?

Here's my obsession

He had absolutely no business getting a gun. And he was still able to get one. A military grade rifle with a 100 round magazine. Something no civilian has a need for.

He killed 17 people and injured dozens more.

Where the guy who just held up the Store 24 used an illegally procured handgun but those gun charges will be dropped.

Okay. How many people did he kill in the process. What? Zero? Amazing how that works.
What, exactly, is a "military grade rifle". Let me guess. You believe AR (in AR 15), stands for "assault rifle", right?
 

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What is your obsession with this guy? Do you jerk off to that picture?

Here's my obsession

He had absolutely no business getting a gun. And he was still able to get one. A military grade rifle with a 100 round magazine. Something no civilian has a need for.

He killed 17 people and injured dozens more.

Where the guy who just held up the Store 24 used an illegally procured handgun but those gun charges will be dropped.

Okay. How many people did he kill in the process. What? Zero? Amazing how that works.
An Ar 15 isn't military grade. And the dealer who sold him that gun obeyed every law and regulation.

And less that 1% of murders take place in mass shootings. But again we see you don't really want to lower the murder rate or the crime rate because you are fixated on things that will do neither.
 

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That punk is carrying that gun for a reason......to shoot rivals he sees on the street or to execute rivals on the orders of his gang...you moron.

Or maybe just to protect himself from all the other punks with guns, because the National Rampage Society made getting guns so easy even THESE guys can do it.

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What amuses me is that you want a gun for "protection", but you get upset when people of color want them, too.

Silly Darkie. Rights are for white people.


Moron...I am the one reporting that minorities and women make up the biggest growth area in gun ownership.....you obviously have a problem with skin color, and then you project your problem onto the people you argue with...you really need help.
 

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What is your obsession with this guy? Do you jerk off to that picture?

Here's my obsession

He had absolutely no business getting a gun. And he was still able to get one. A military grade rifle with a 100 round magazine. Something no civilian has a need for.

He killed 17 people and injured dozens more.

Where the guy who just held up the Store 24 used an illegally procured handgun but those gun charges will be dropped.

Okay. How many people did he kill in the process. What? Zero? Amazing how that works.


It wasn't a military rifle, it wasn't "military grade," rifle....and it had nothing to do with how many people died........you idiot...
What is your obsession with this guy? Do you jerk off to that picture?

Here's my obsession

He had absolutely no business getting a gun. And he was still able to get one. A military grade rifle with a 100 round magazine. Something no civilian has a need for.

He killed 17 people and injured dozens more.

Where the guy who just held up the Store 24 used an illegally procured handgun but those gun charges will be dropped.

Okay. How many people did he kill in the process. What? Zero? Amazing how that works.


Moron......the colorado theater shooter killed 12 people, not 17.....

The rifle he used jammed...because of the magazine he was using.......he started the attack with a shotgun......then he switched to the AR-15 which jammed and ended with the handgun....you idiot....

So....a combination of shotgun, rifle and pistol = 12 dead.... He fired 6 rounds from the shotgun, 65 from the rifle and 5 from the pistol....and killed 12 people.....

Virginia Tech....two pistols.....32 killed.

Luby's Cafe....two pistols....24 killed


The rifle didn't matter at that range you doofus.........

The Navy Yard shooter used a shotgun, pump action ....killed the same number 12.

The Kerch, Russia, shooter...used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun.........killed 20 wounded 70.


You don't know what you are talking about.............

in 2019 there were a total of 73 people killed in mass public shootings...

5 killed in 2020.......

Deer kill 200 every year.....bambi....kill 200 people a year...mass public shooters 73.......and not all are killed with rifles...not even half....

Ladders kill 300 people a year....


Lawn mowers kill between 90-100 a year...

You are an idiot.....
 

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What is your obsession with this guy? Do you jerk off to that picture?

Here's my obsession

He had absolutely no business getting a gun. And he was still able to get one. A military grade rifle with a 100 round magazine. Something no civilian has a need for.

He killed 17 people and injured dozens more.

Where the guy who just held up the Store 24 used an illegally procured handgun but those gun charges will be dropped.

Okay. How many people did he kill in the process. What? Zero? Amazing how that works.
An Ar 15 isn't military grade. And the dealer who sold him that gun obeyed every law and regulation.

And less that 1% of murders take place in mass shootings. But again we see you don't really want to lower the murder rate or the crime rate because you are fixated on things that will do neither.

And less that 1% of murders take place in mass shootings.

10,235 gun murders in 2019....

73 people killed in mass public shootings in 2019...

Deer kill 200 people a year.

Ladders kill 300 people a year.

Lawn mowers kill between 90-100 a year.....





 

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ypical rabid leftist. Play the race card.

Odd, though. Gun sales increased dramatically when rabid leftist policies focused on defunding the police and letting criminals walk away from accountability for the crimes they committed.

Naw, that isn't odd. The gun industry's whole model is based on scared little white people wanting to buy enough guns to fight off the Zombies. That's why they flood our inner cities with guns to start with.

And don't ever, ever tell them that a gun is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy. If a study finds that, let's cut off all studies!!!!
 

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Moron...I am the one reporting that minorities and women make up the biggest growth area in gun ownership.....you obviously have a problem with skin color, and then you project your problem onto the people you argue with...you really need help.

Again, when you guys talk about arresting people for gun crimes, you mean the darkies.

When it's white people violating federal gun laws like David Koresh and Randy Weaver, you make them out to be heroes.
 

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ypical rabid leftist. Play the race card.

Odd, though. Gun sales increased dramatically when rabid leftist policies focused on defunding the police and letting criminals walk away from accountability for the crimes they committed.

Naw, that isn't odd. The gun industry's whole model is based on scared little white people wanting to buy enough guns to fight off the Zombies. That's why they flood our inner cities with guns to start with.

And don't ever, ever tell them that a gun is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy. If a study finds that, let's cut off all studies!!!!

joe....you are the role model for an anti-gun extremist who relies on emotions and hate.....and facts, truth and reality have no place in what you believe....

43 times more likely........you keep posting that number...so here is the response, again....


Kellerman who did the study that came up with the 43 times more likely myth, was forced to do the research over when other academics pointed out how flawed his methods were....he then changed the 43 times number to 2.7, but he was still using flawed data to get even that number.....

Below is the study where he changed the number from 43 to 2.7 and below that is the explanation as to why that number isn't even accurate.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

After controlling for these characteristics, we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7;

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Nine Myths Of Gun Control

Myth #6 "A homeowner is 43 times as likely to be killed or kill a family member as an intruder"

To suggest that science has proven that defending oneself or one's family with a gun is dangerous, gun prohibitionists repeat Dr. Kellermann's long discredited claim: "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder." [17] This fallacy , fabricated using tax dollars, is one of the most misused slogans of the anti-self-defense lobby.

The honest measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected not Kellermann's burglar or rapist body count.

Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator. [3]

Any study, such as Kellermann' "43 times" fallacy, that only counts bodies will expectedly underestimate the benefits of gun a thousand fold.

Think for a minute. Would anyone suggest that the only measure of the benefit of law enforcement is the number of people killed by police? Of course not. The honest measure of the benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved by deaths and injuries averted, and the property protected. 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun. [2]

Kellermann recently downgraded his estimate to "2.7 times," [18] but he persisted in discredited methodology. He used a method that cannot distinguish between "cause" and "effect." His method would be like finding more diet drinks in the refrigerators of fat people and then concluding that diet drinks "cause" obesity.


Also, he studied groups with high rates of violent criminality, alcoholism, drug addiction, abject poverty, and domestic abuse .


From such a poor and violent study group he attempted to generalize his findings to normal homes

Interestingly, when Dr. Kellermann was interviewed he stated that, if his wife were attacked, he would want her to have a gun for protection.[19] Apparently, Dr. Kellermann doesn't even believe his own studies.


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Public Health and Gun Control: A Review



Since at least the mid-1980s, Dr. Kellermann (and associates), whose work had been heavily-funded by the CDC, published a series of studies purporting to show that persons who keep guns in the home are more likely to be victims of homicide than those who don¹t.

In a 1986 NEJM paper, Dr. Kellermann and associates, for example, claimed their "scientific research" proved that defending oneself or one¹s family with a firearm in the home is dangerous and counter productive, claiming "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder."8

In a critical review and now classic article published in the March 1994 issue of the Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia (JMAG), Dr. Edgar Suter, Chairman of Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research (DIPR), found evidence of "methodologic and conceptual errors," such as prejudicially truncated data and the listing of "the correct methodology which was described but never used by the authors."5

Moreover, the gun control researchers failed to consider and underestimated the protective benefits of guns.

Dr. Suter writes: "The true measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives and medical costs saved, the injuries prevented, and the property protected ‹ not the burglar or rapist body count.

Since only 0.1 - 0.2 percent of defensive uses of guns involve the death of the criminal, any study, such as this, that counts criminal deaths as the only measure of the protective benefits of guns will expectedly underestimate the benefits of firearms by a factor of 500 to 1,000."5

In 1993, in his landmark and much cited NEJM article (and the research, again, heavily funded by the CDC), Dr. Kellermann attempted to show again that guns in the home are a greater risk to the victims than to the assailants.4 Despite valid criticisms by reputable scholars of his previous works (including the 1986 study), Dr. Kellermann ignored the criticisms and again used the same methodology.

He also used study populations with disproportionately high rates of serious psychosocial dysfunction from three selected state counties, known to be unrepresentative of the general U.S. population.

For example,

53 percent of the case subjects had a history of a household member being arrested,

31 percent had a household history of illicit drug use, 32 percent had a household member hit or hurt in a family fight, and

17 percent had a family member hurt so seriously in a domestic altercation that prompt medical attention was required.
Moreover, both the case studies and control groups in this analysis had a very high incidence of financial instability.


In fact, in this study, gun ownership, the supposedly high risk factor for homicide was not one of the most strongly associated factors for being murdered.

Drinking, illicit drugs, living alone, history of family violence, living in a rented home were all greater individual risk factors for being murdered than a gun in the home. One must conclude there is no basis to apply the conclusions of this study to the general population.

All of these are factors that, as Dr. Suter pointed out, "would expectedly be associated with higher rates of violence and homicide."5

It goes without saying, the results of such a study on gun homicides, selecting this sort of unrepresentative population sample, nullify the authors' generalizations, and their preordained, conclusions can not be extrapolated to the general population.

Moreover, although the 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study purported to show that the homicide victims were killed with a gun ordinarily kept in the home, the fact is that as Kates and associates point out 71.1 percent of the victims were killed by assailants who did not live in the victims¹ household using guns presumably not kept in that home.6
 

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Moron...I am the one reporting that minorities and women make up the biggest growth area in gun ownership.....you obviously have a problem with skin color, and then you project your problem onto the people you argue with...you really need help.

Again, when you guys talk about arresting people for gun crimes, you mean the darkies.

When it's white people violating federal gun laws like David Koresh and Randy Weaver, you make them out to be heroes.


No.....on Koresh, we point out he could have been peacefully arrested at any time, since it was known he would often walk, by himself, unarmed, into the local town......instead, the ATF wanted a big raid to justify their budget for upcoming congressional budget hearings...

Randy Weaver? The FBI tried forcing him to be an informant...when he refused they conducted a raid on his home killing his wife.

So please, you are an irrational nut job....
 

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joe....you are the role model for an anti-gun extremist who relies on emotions and hate.....and facts, truth and reality have no place in what you believe....

43 times more likely........you keep posting that number...so here is the response, again....

You can keep posting that shit all day, but Kellerman's study stands. Guns are more dangerous to the people who live with them than they are to bad guys.

Because when you have situations of suicide or domestic violence, the gun makes it possible to elevate to a tragedy pretty damned quick.
 

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No.....on Koresh, we point out he could have been peacefully arrested at any time, since it was known he would often walk, by himself, unarmed, into the local town......instead, the ATF wanted a big raid to justify their budget for upcoming congressional budget hearings...

You can point that out, but the reality- Koresh was molesting kids and trafficking in guns. Just arresting him wasn't the point, it was the fact he was selling modified weapons at gun shows to support his cult lifestyle.

Randy Weaver? The FBI tried forcing him to be an informant...when he refused they conducted a raid on his home killing his wife.

I think you are a little confused. The ATF tried to get him to be an informant on other Nazis he hung out with, after he bought an illegal gun from an ATF agent. He then murdered a US Marshall trying to execute a lawful arrest. His Nazi wife was killed when he and his buddy started shooting it out with FBI agents.

Let's keep in mind, if he were a black guy pulling this shit, they wouldn't have waited days to try to resolve the situation.
 

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