Democrats Folding????

[Freemason9]

This isn't a proposal to "delay Obamacare." It is a proposal to extend the deadline. PC uses a laser-like Drudge logic to construct halfbaked narratives from news stories.

I like how she and the other right wing knuckle draggers want to return to the "good ole' days" of the American healthcare industry prior to Obama--you know, annual double-digit cost increases, rising deductables, no coverage for prior conditions, etc.

These right wingers have evil intent.

except you lie, as usual leftards do.

Brilliant response there, Vox.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Please....at least one nutter....please. Come here and tell the others that this suggestion is not for a delay of the individual mandate.

Please.

 

[The Rabbi]

No, the administration is on record for much of that as saying they had no idea.
Get your head out of Obama's ass and read a newspaper every now and then.

they had no idea about the deaths in Benghazi?

they had no idea about Fast & Furious?

they had no idea what NSA spying?

now you're just making up stuff.

Carney claims the adminstration didnt know the attacks were planned.
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jay Carney, 9/14/2012 | The White House

Obama claims Holder didnt know anything about Fast n Furious
Obama?s Univision denial that Fast and Furious started on his watch - The Washington Post

Obama claims there is no spying by NSA on Americans.
Obama To Leno: 'There Is No Spying On Americans' : The Two-Way : NPR

That last one is a stretch. It's more likely he is simply lying.

So now that I've proven the point are you going to man up and admit it? Or are you going to dissemble, move the goalposts or ignore the post?

 

[francoHFW]

A- A tragedy- the ambassador should never have been there on 9/11, but that's the kind of guy he was...Phony scandal.


B- The head of ATF in charge of the gunwalking said NEITHER the Bush nor Obama administrations knew about it. Phony BS scandal.

C- Obama did nothing but add congressional and judicial oversight. ANOTHER phony BS Pub scandal.

Like the web site scandal. And the site works better every day, or call the number or the insurers...duh. AND there's plenty of time. March 1.

Good news, Blanko!

This dolt, Hoffstra, may have replaced you as the winner in the 'Dumber Than Asphalt' contest.


Don't celebrate yet: it's neck and neck......

Which one of them thinks asphalt is a rectal disease??

You are brainwashed gits lol. Change the channel, perfect chumps of the greedy, lying, idiot, disastrous rich GOP. lol. Master in History, fluent in French and Spanish, retired teacher. YOU...functional morons

 

[kiwiman127]

Please....at least one nutter....please. Come here and tell the others that this suggestion is not for a delay of the individual mandate.

Please.

You know, some folks like to rewrite history. Problem is that it's not even history, yet.

 

[Amelia]

The product is good.

 

[Hoffstra]

Carney claims the adminstration didnt know the attacks were planned.
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jay Carney, 9/14/2012 | The White House...

moving the goalposts, are we?

 

[The Rabbi]

Carney claims the adminstration didnt know the attacks were planned.
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jay Carney, 9/14/2012 | The White House...

moving the goalposts, are we?

Darn, did I call it or what?
I support my statement and you focus on one thing, ignore all the others, interpret events as you want and reject what I wrote.
What a spazz.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Fellow Republican Comrades,

The number of people who have signed up in the state exchanges from Kentucky and Oregon is disturbing. These poor American families are going to start receiving health care for the first time. For god's sake, it might even save lives.

I propose we start a group called "Deny Americans Health Care at all Costs". And then we can send 100s of people to each state to physically block these families from getting health care. However, I am hoping we can destroy their health care without having to physically prevent them from taking advantage of this new law. So we need ideas.

What do we do about all the people who have already signed up? What do we do if the Government fixes the website?

We must prepare for these possibilities. We must prevent struggling American Families from receiving health care. Please provide ideas.

"....to physically block these families from getting health care."


Bulletin:

Since 1986 every single man, woman and child in the United States has been guaranteed healthcare.

Where've you been....under a rock?


"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may only transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment under their own informed consent, after stabilization, or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.[1]"
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Know who was President in '86?

Are you aware that not every health problem is an emergency?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Remember what forum this is in. Off-topic flames will be deleted.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

 

[emilynghiem]

Obama didn't go to 'fair' school. He went to law school. Supposedly.

If law schools taught people to follow Constitutional laws and ethics,
they'd all be mediating conflicts to defend, protect and include all interests/views equally.

What we have going on with lawyers and judges with state bars monopolizing courts, business law, legislatures etc. is a clear conflict of interest.

So once you go through that school of thought, if you retain any sense of
Constitutional inclusion of all people equally, it wasn't from going to school.

How is paying lawyers to bully and fight/win for one side
"redressing grievances" by petition or due process
or "free speech." If you lose your case, or you can't afford to defend your interests,
you're already on the losing side and aren't equally protected. the whole game is
a money making sham.

we only use it because we haven't perfected mediation and conflict resolution
to be the norm yet. So until more people demand that as the standard
they get bought and sold in political bullying games deciding policy by coersion and force,
instead of mutual consensus on agreed solutions.

As long as so much of the process has bypassed constitutional equality,
there is no clear consistent standard for enforcement, so the games continue.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Isn't it true that Obamacare is patterned after the Heritage Foundation model introduced in 1989 and then that model was used by Mitt Romney?
Help me out here, there seems to some confusion with your opinion versus historical facts.

Romney??

Massachusetts????


1. 50 days to see a doctor in Boston…Is Massachusetts’ universal coverage laws the cause?
June 9, 2009 in Current Events, Health Insurance, Supply of Medical Services, Wait Times
From the USA Today, here are the wait times to see a doctor in the following cities:
• Boston: 49.6
• Philadelphia: 27
• Los Angeles: 24.2
• Houston: 23.4
• Washington, D.C.: 22.6
• San Diego 20.2
• Minneapolis: 19.8
• Dallas: 19.2
• New York: 19.2
• Denver: 15.4 days
• Miami: 15.4 days
The first thing that jumps out from these numbers is that Boston has by far the longest wait to see a doctor. Is this caused by the universal health coverage enacted in Massachusetts? The answer is maybe. Physician supply adjusts slowly (i.e., it takes a long time to finish med school). On the other hand, Massachusetts decision to increase insurance coverage lead to a spike in the demand for medical services. Thus, universal health care may have caused the run up in wait times, …
50 days to see a doctor in Boston?Is Massachusetts? universal coverage laws the cause? « Healthcare Economist



2. "..., insurance premiums have been increasing at nearly double the national average: 7.4 percent in 2007, 8 percent to 12 percent in 2008, and an expected 9 percent increase this year. Health insurance in Massachusetts costs an average of $16,897 for a family of four, compared to a national average of $12,700.
The Massachusetts plan incorporates a system of middle-class subsidies called Commonwealth Care to help pay for insurance for families with incomes up to 300 percent of poverty level ($66,150 for a family of four) and also expanded eligibility for Medicaid.
The costs to the taxpayers are rising, too, and one tax increase has not satisfied the appetite of the hungry plan. The prospect of huge deficits has elicited discussion of cuts in reimbursements to providers and the imposition of a "global budget," which is a euphemism for rationing."
Massachusetts Health Care: A Model Not to Copy



3. More people are seeking care in hospital emergency rooms, and the cost of caring for ER patients has soared 17 percent over two years, despite efforts to direct patients with nonurgent problems to primary care doctors instead, according to new state data. Visits to Massachusetts emergency rooms grew 7 percent between 2005 and 2007, to 2,469,295 visits.
ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe



Brilliant guy that Obama.

And his supporters?????

Priceless.

Now that response would be classified as a deflection.


I've stated over and over again that I'm not a fan of Obamacare, basically because of the mandate portion of the law.
But just because it's you I'm addressing, I thought I'd add this little tidbit:
Massachusetts poll finds high satisfaction under 'RomneyCare'
The vast majority of Massachusetts residents are satisfied with their healthcare under the state's 2006 reform law, though costs and appointment wait times remain an issue, according to a new poll.

Eighty-four percent expressed satisfaction with their healthcare, citing the quality of the care or "good access," according to the Massachusetts Medical Society, a statewide physician group that conducted the poll.

Another three in four said accessing the healthcare they need is not difficult, though the share of patients who had to wait a month or more to see a primary care doctor was up 7 points since last year, to 28 percent.
Read more: Massachusetts poll finds high satisfaction under 'RomneyCare' - The Hill's Healthwatch
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So yes there is a problem with the wait and people noted that the premium costs went up which they did nationally.
But a good sized majority of the folks in Massachusetts still are happy. It must be because they are liberals?

"So yes there is a problem with the wait and people noted that the premium costs went up which they did nationally."

Just tiny problems like no access to doctors....and increased costs?


"I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."



Further: ObamaCare is based on rationing of healthcare.

"Obamacare Doctor Rationing Begins in California"
Obamacare Doctor Rationing Begins in California | RealClearPolitics



So, let's review:
Higher premiums, you won't be able to keep your doctor, or your original policy, or decide what coverages you wish, or find easy access to a doctor, and, some panel of bureaucrats will decide if you get the meds you need.

But....yup...folks are happy with it.


Be serious.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Fellow Republican Comrades,

The number of people who have signed up in the state exchanges from Kentucky and Oregon is disturbing. These poor American families are going to start receiving health care for the first time. For god's sake, it might even save lives.

I propose we start a group called "Deny Americans Health Care at all Costs". And then we can send 100s of people to each state to physically block these families from getting health care. However, I am hoping we can destroy their health care without having to physically prevent them from taking advantage of this new law. So we need ideas.

What do we do about all the people who have already signed up? What do we do if the Government fixes the website?

We must prepare for these possibilities. We must prevent struggling American Families from receiving health care. Please provide ideas.

"....to physically block these families from getting health care."


Bulletin:

Since 1986 every single man, woman and child in the United States has been guaranteed healthcare.

Where've you been....under a rock?


"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may only transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment under their own informed consent, after stabilization, or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.[1]"
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Know who was President in '86?

Are you aware that not every health problem is an emergency?

Are you aware that each patient decides what an emergency is?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Good news, Blanko!

This dolt, Hoffstra, may have replaced you as the winner in the 'Dumber Than Asphalt' contest.


Don't celebrate yet: it's neck and neck......

Which one of them thinks asphalt is a rectal disease??

You are brainwashed gits lol. Change the channel, perfect chumps of the greedy, lying, idiot, disastrous rich GOP. lol. Master in History, fluent in French and Spanish, retired teacher. YOU...functional morons

Based on what you write, and how you write, folks decide your level of intelligence and expertise.


Over and over it has been shown....by you....that you are a master of nothing.

I'm gonna posit that most folks would rather Amy Winehouse do their Lasik surgery than accept any opinion from you.


Keep up the bad work.

 

[Ava]

What???

A Democrat Senator opposing "the One"???


1. "Jeanne Shaheen Calls For Obamacare Enrollment Deadline Extension

2. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) called on the White House Tuesday to extend the open enrollment deadline for Obamacare because of the government's glitchy website rollout.

3. In a letter to the White House ...Shaheen said her constituents have faced "incredibly frustrating and disappointing" issues with HealthCare.gov,....

4. ... people that have tried, and failed, to enroll online may become frustrated and not return to the website to try again ...

5. Shaheen is the first Democrat to support an extension of the enrollment deadline.

6. Republican Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said he would introduce a bill with a similar premise -- calling for a delay to the penalty that uninsured Americans will face if they do not sign up for insurance before the March deadline.

7. "It's not fair to punish people..."
Jeanne Shaheen Calls For Obamacare Enrollment Deadline Extension



The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine.

Yes, too many Dems are up for reelection in `14 and they are not being vocal about supporting their dear leader and his sinkhole.....

 

[francoHFW]

Which one of them thinks asphalt is a rectal disease??

You are brainwashed gits lol. Change the channel, perfect chumps of the greedy, lying, idiot, disastrous rich GOP. lol. Master in History, fluent in French and Spanish, retired teacher. YOU...functional morons

Based on what you write, and how you write, folks decide your level of intelligence and expertise.


Over and over it has been shown....by you....that you are a master of nothing.

I'm gonna posit that most folks would rather Amy Winehouse do their Lasik surgery than accept any opinion from you.


Keep up the bad work.

I deeply care about your stupid opinion, misinformed Pub hater dupe. LOL. Read something not from the Koch bros, Murdoch, or MOONIES, ETC ETC...

any ACTUAL ARGUMENT BESIDE BS PUB TALKING POINTS AND STUPID INSULTS...LOL

 

[PoliticalChic]

What???

A Democrat Senator opposing "the One"???


1. "Jeanne Shaheen Calls For Obamacare Enrollment Deadline Extension

2. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) called on the White House Tuesday to extend the open enrollment deadline for Obamacare because of the government's glitchy website rollout.

3. In a letter to the White House ...Shaheen said her constituents have faced "incredibly frustrating and disappointing" issues with HealthCare.gov,....

4. ... people that have tried, and failed, to enroll online may become frustrated and not return to the website to try again ...

5. Shaheen is the first Democrat to support an extension of the enrollment deadline.

6. Republican Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said he would introduce a bill with a similar premise -- calling for a delay to the penalty that uninsured Americans will face if they do not sign up for insurance before the March deadline.

7. "It's not fair to punish people..."
Jeanne Shaheen Calls For Obamacare Enrollment Deadline Extension



The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine.

Yes, too many Dems are up for reelection in `14 and they are not being vocal about supporting their dear leader and his sinkhole.....

I found the article amusing....and for the reason you point out, and the press and the comedians turning on him...."the One" may delay the scam.


But for me, the real interest is in the number of folks who decide to sign up for a more expensive policy than they currently have, no choice of what to be covered for, offer up all kinds of personal and none-of-their-business information, for a healthcare policy that they can actually wait until they are sick to endorse.....

How many??

Must be a reason that they won't tell us......
...I mean, being the most transparent administration and all.......

 

[PoliticalChic]

You are brainwashed gits lol. Change the channel, perfect chumps of the greedy, lying, idiot, disastrous rich GOP. lol. Master in History, fluent in French and Spanish, retired teacher. YOU...functional morons

Based on what you write, and how you write, folks decide your level of intelligence and expertise.


Over and over it has been shown....by you....that you are a master of nothing.

I'm gonna posit that most folks would rather Amy Winehouse do their Lasik surgery than accept any opinion from you.


Keep up the bad work.

I deeply care about your stupid opinion, misinformed Pub hater dupe. LOL. Read something not from the Koch bros, Murdoch, or MOONIES, ETC ETC...

any ACTUAL ARGUMENT BESIDE BS PUB TALKING POINTS AND STUPID INSULTS...LOL

Awwwww......

Don't be upset, Blanko.

Just because I tell you the truth.....


Remember: you only hurt the ones you love.

 

[francoHFW]

What???

A Democrat Senator opposing "the One"???


1. "Jeanne Shaheen Calls For Obamacare Enrollment Deadline Extension

2. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) called on the White House Tuesday to extend the open enrollment deadline for Obamacare because of the government's glitchy website rollout.

3. In a letter to the White House ...Shaheen said her constituents have faced "incredibly frustrating and disappointing" issues with HealthCare.gov,....

4. ... people that have tried, and failed, to enroll online may become frustrated and not return to the website to try again ...

5. Shaheen is the first Democrat to support an extension of the enrollment deadline.

6. Republican Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said he would introduce a bill with a similar premise -- calling for a delay to the penalty that uninsured Americans will face if they do not sign up for insurance before the March deadline.

7. "It's not fair to punish people..."
Jeanne Shaheen Calls For Obamacare Enrollment Deadline Extension



The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine.

Yes, too many Dems are up for reelection in `14 and they are not being vocal about supporting their dear leader and his sinkhole.....

THE TEST IS NEXT YEAR, NOT THE RUNOUT OF A GIANT WEB SITE, BTW UNDERFUNDED BY PUBS. a MONTH DELAY MEANS ALMOST NOTHING EXCEPT TO HYSTERICAL HATER DUPES...

 

[NYcarbineer]

"....to physically block these families from getting health care."


Bulletin:

Since 1986 every single man, woman and child in the United States has been guaranteed healthcare.

Where've you been....under a rock?


"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may only transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment under their own informed consent, after stabilization, or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.[1]"
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Know who was President in '86?

Are you aware that not every health problem is an emergency?

Are you aware that each patient decides what an emergency is?

That is simply incorrect. EMTALA authorizes the hospital to determine whether or not an emergency exists.