Democrats demand mural of Iryna Zarutska be destroyed. Dems say it is DIVISIVE!!!

[SweetTea]

Locking people up isn't the answer

Lol...yeah China doesn't lock them up. What do you know, very harsh punishment results in less crime. Who knew?

 

[JoeB131]

Lol...yeah China doesn't lock them up. What do you know, very harsh punishment results in less crime. Who knew?

Your ignorance of China is amazing.

China doesn't have a high crime rate because they have a completely different culture.

They don't let the insane wander the streets.
They don't let every idiot who wants a gun have one.

 

[22lcidw]

Does your doctor know you are off your medications?

Go back, read what I said, have someone help you with the big words.

This woman died because this man was mentally ill and was allowed to wander the streets. Just like the hundreds of thousands like him who are homeless and wandering the streets.

We refuse to devote the resources to treating these people. If this man had been on the right medications, this wouldn't have happened.

Progressive Socialist politics caused this. I would redline every Progressive area for any insurance and raise the costs several times more than what they pay now and stop charging others in non prog areas for this.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Instead of having an honest discussion about this man's untreated mental health problems.

It's interesting that now you want an honest discussion when you've lied in so many others.

That said, Brown's mental health problems were not completely untreated so this is another lie or a falsehood rooted in ignorance. He was on psychiatric medication at one time but stopped taking it.

Does more need to be done regarding mental illness? Absolutely. Mental illness may or may not be a factor here but this is not the only case of random violence by a long shot. The shooting of Sheridan Gorman is a recent case. The shooter was not mentally ill but he was an illegal immigrant (and brown) and for that reason, suddenly, you and others on the left don't want a discussion at all, let alone an honest one.

As for the mural, if the mural alludes to the perpetrator being black then can we not also say that the George Floyd mural alludes to the perpetrators being white? I think that is precisely what the Floyd mural was intended to convey. And yet, this mural is racist.

 

[Billiejeens]

If you need a foreign billionaire to bankroll your Mural, then you just weren't all that.

Her death is a tragedy. The tragedy being this man walked around for 20 years with untreated mental illness and finally snapped one day.

We won't change our mental health policies. We'll all just try to avoid eye contact with these people and hope they don't flip out, too.

Some hope that they flip out on you.

 

[BackAgain]

Well, first, he wasn't one of the "Worst cases" before he did this.

Link?

He was clearly schizophrenic.

Clearly? To you?

He had called 9/11 repeatedly, asking for help because he thought someone had put "materials" in his body. The system ignored him.

Let’s say that he suffered from delusions. Hardly enough to conclude that he was “schizophrenic.” You dufus.

Now that he's killed someone, he's probably going to get a shitload of drugs that he should have gotten before this to get him ready for trial.

It makes sense that he will likely get some meds, now. It isn’t clear that he qualified for it, before he committed the murder. Again, you make believe shrink, no link. I wonder why not?

If they were following the law, they'd find him "not guilty by reason of insanity". But given this is the South, they'll probably ignore the evidence and find him guilty.

Your opinion is worthless. It sure doesn’t substitute for anything factual or reasonable.

I define it as "in prison". You guys really don't know much about China beyond old Bircher propaganda.

Lol. Yeah, I’m sure the Chinese Muslim population would be sure to support your ignorance.

Naaaaaahhh.

Well, it is if you single them out. We have 25,000 homicides a year, but you guys focus on the ones committed by people you hate. I wonder why that is.

You don’t wonder any such thing because your claim is baseless. It’s just your political bias being expressed in more of your social (ed) stupidity.

Says the guy who can't spell.

More of your pathetic ad hominem horseshit.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

She was the ukranian refugee stabbed to death on a north carolina train by a crazed black while black passengers ignored the stabbing. When serial felon george floyd was killed 6 years ago there were thousands of murals and no one called that divisive.

MSN

Well, gun thugs overdosing on their own drugs are considered noble by assorted deviant Democrat trash, while being white, female, and innocent and getting murdered b y a feral black racist scumbag is well, just fine with them; they think that should be legal.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Did you really say that?? So now it's racist to call a black murderer a black murderer???

Yes, 'Joe' here is a low life POS. Some here think it's a mod sock hoping to generate lots of hits.

 

[JoeB131]

Some hope that they flip out on you.

Yes, because hoping that bad things happen to people you don't like is definitely mature and an answer to serious policies issues.

Here's the thing, I've lived in Chicago my whole life, and remember when the REpublicans unleashed the homeless crisis on us in the Early 80s. when a whole bunch of stewbums started hanging out around the stores on 63rd street because their hospitals had closed and no one was medicating them, so they hung around the liquor store self-medicating with Mad Dog 20/20.

You quickly learned how to avoid them. If Ms. Zrutska had lived her longer, she wouldn't have had her face buried in a phone. (Not a criticism, but a fact, situational awareness is lost on this younger generation.)

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, 'Joe' here is a low life POS. Some here think it's a mod sock hoping to generate lots of hits.

Wow, that's a new theory.

So, um, how does that work, exactly?

 

[Billiejeens]

Yes, because hoping that bad things happen to people you don't like is definitely mature and an answer to serious policies issues.

Here's the thing, I've lived in Chicago my whole life, and remember when the REpublicans unleashed the homeless crisis on us in the Early 80s. when a whole bunch of stewbums started hanging out around the stores on 63rd street because their hospitals had closed and no one was medicating them, so they hung around the liquor store self-medicating with Mad Dog 20/20.

You quickly learned how to avoid them. If Ms. Zrutska had lived her longer, she wouldn't have had her face buried in a phone. (Not a criticism, but a fact, situational awareness is lost on this younger generation.)

Same response

 

[JoeB131]

Link?
Clearly? To you?

I provided one earlier in the thread.

Let’s say that he suffered from delusions. Hardly enough to conclude that he was “schizophrenic.” You dufus.

Actually, doctors diagnosed him as such.

Details about Iryna Zarutska’s Killer Reveal Flaws in the Mental Health Care and Justice Systems

The stabbing of 23-year-old Iryna Zarutska has deeply impacted many people around the world. Millions are sympathizing with Iryna's grieving family who came to

washingtonstand.com

Doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia and prescribed him medicine, but he refused to take it. As she became more concerned about their safety, she took Brown to a mental health hospital. However, sadly, she was told they didn’t have enough room to admit him because he wasn’t threatening to hurt himself. They told her that she couldn’t force him to be there. Subsequently, Dewitt had to go to court to file a petition with a magistrate for her son to get help. A mental health facility then kept Brown for 14 days, but then released him back to her. Brown again refused to take his medication. Dewitt and her husband did not feel safe, so they brought him to a men’s homeless shelter in Charlotte. After this, Brown’s family would see him walking the streets and riding the mass transportation system.

It makes sense that he will likely get some meds, now. It isn’t clear that he qualified for it, before he committed the murder. Again, you make believe shrink, no link. I wonder why not?

I already provided a link earlier in the thread. Try to pay attention.

Lol. Yeah, I’m sure the Chinese Muslim population would be sure to support your ignorance.

You mean the Chinese Muslims our own state department designated as a terrorist group?

The East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) | Council on Foreign Relations

The Muslim separatist group, based in the Xinjiang province in northwest China, presents a heightening security challenge for Beijing.

www.cfr.org

 

[BackAgain]

I provided one earlier in the thread.

Oh. I frequently skim past your usual garbage posting.

Actually, doctors diagnosed him as such.

Details about Iryna Zarutska’s Killer Reveal Flaws in the Mental Health Care and Justice Systems

The stabbing of 23-year-old Iryna Zarutska has deeply impacted many people around the world. Millions are sympathizing with Iryna's grieving family who came to

washingtonstand.com

Some doctors may have. That doesn’t automatically make it accurate.

Doctors diagnosed him with schizophrenia and prescribed him medicine, but he refused to take it.

That happens frequently with people who aren’t institutionalized.

As she became more concerned about their safety, she took Brown to a mental health hospital. However, sadly, she was told they didn’t have enough room to admit him because he wasn’t threatening to hurt himself. They told her that she couldn’t force him to be there.

Maybe. But there is a reason for that. And that reason (to be clearer, one of the reasons) is because somewhere in our not so distant past, society stopped institutionalizing folks with any kind of mental illness — as a rule.

Subsequently, Dewitt had to go to court to file a petition with a magistrate for her son to get help. A mental health facility then kept Brown for 14 days, but then released him back to her.

Gee. I wonder why?

Brown again refused to take his medication. Dewitt and her husband did not feel safe, so they brought him to a men’s homeless shelter in Charlotte. After this, Brown’s family would see him walking the streets and riding the mass transportation system.

Even mentally ill people are free to wander around. And everyone has to be somewhere, at all times.

I already provided a link earlier in the thread. Try to pay attention.

Sure.

You mean the Chinese Muslims our own state department designated as a terrorist group?

The East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) | Council on Foreign Relations

The Muslim separatist group, based in the Xinjiang province in northwest China, presents a heightening security challenge for Beijing.

www.cfr.org

Even if what we (Treasury) said in 2002 was valid (highly dubious), the Chinese treatment of the Uyghurs can’t be an example of your comparison of our imprisoned (convicted criminals) with the Chinese behaviors.

You have zero credibility.

 

[Lockback]

Oh. I frequent skim past your usual garbage posting.


Some doctors may have. That doesn’t automatically make it accurate.

That happens frequently with people who aren’t institutionalized.

Maybe. But there is a reason for that. And that reason (to be clearer, one of the reasons) is because somewhere in our not so distant past, society stopped institutionalizing folks with any kind of mental illness — as a rule.

Gee. I wonder why?

Even mentally ill people are free to wander around. And everyone has to be somewhere, at all times.

Sure.

Even if what we (Treasury) said in 2002 was valid (highly dubious), the Chinese treatment of the Uyghurs can’t be an example of your comparison of our imprisoned (convicted criminals) with the Chinese behaviors.

You have zero credibility.

You just destroyed him point by point. I mean, complete domination. If I were him, I'd take some time off to recover ... like 4 or 5 years.

 

[justoffal]

If you need a foreign billionaire to bankroll your Mural, then you just weren't all that.

Her death is a tragedy. The tragedy being this man walked around for 20 years with untreated mental illness and finally snapped one day.

We won't change our mental health policies. We'll all just try to avoid eye contact with these people and hope they don't flip out, too.

Dude.....

I mean talk about flushola! You should be saying the same goddamn thing about all the statues and murals of George Floyd plastered across the country honoring a career drug addict and criminal not to mention a deadbeat dad.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh. I frequent skim past your usual garbage posting.

You know, if you were mature, you could have just admitted you missed it because you are lazy.

Some doctors may have. That doesn’t automatically make it accurate.

Right, these guys went to school for 8 years to be able to diagnose a disease, but you know more, never having met the man.

Maybe. But there is a reason for that. And that reason (to be clearer, one of the reasons) is because somewhere in our not so distant past, society stopped institutionalizing folks with any kind of mental illness — as a rule.

This is as close as you got to making a salient point, so let's discuss.

The Courts have ruled that you can't institutionalize someone unless they are an IMMEDIATE threat. The other half of this problem is that we don't fund mental health programs adequately. So all they can do is medicate guys like this, and if they are somewhat cogent, release them back, when they stop taking their meds.

I personally think this is a bad policy. We should be able to institutionalize people, and mandate that they take their meds. But we also need to fund the programs adequately, which might mean more taxes.

We won't do these things, of course.

Even if what we (Treasury) said in 2002 was valid (highly dubious), the Chinese treatment of the Uyghurs can’t be an example of your comparison of our imprisoned (convicted criminals) with the Chinese behaviors.

Um, okay, let's look at that. First, the Chinese haven't killed nearly as many Muslims in their own country as we've killed in the last 40 years travelling to the other side of the planet.

Second, Xianjiang is an autonomous region within China. They actually have privileges as a region.

Third, it wasn't just "Treasury". The State Department designated ETIM as a terrorist organization. We captured Uyghurs on the battlefield in Afghanistan and held them at Gitmo.

You have zero credibility.

Yet still dancing circles around you.

You just destroyed him point by point.

Wow, you don't know how this is done at all, do you?

 

[JoeB131]

Dude.....

I mean talk about flushola! You should be saying the same goddamn thing about all the statues and murals of George Floyd plastered across the country honoring a career drug addict and criminal not to mention a deadbeat dad.

I've been critical of the "beatification" of Floyd. Just ask IM2

I'm not a fan of Soros any more than I am of Musk.

 

[Lockback]

Wow, you don't know how this is done at all, do you?

He literally destroyed you. A referee would have called it early.

 

[ThisIsMe]

If you need a foreign billionaire to bankroll your Mural, then you just weren't all that.

Her death is a tragedy. The tragedy being this man walked around for 20 years with untreated mental illness and finally snapped one day.

We won't change our mental health policies. We'll all just try to avoid eye contact with these people and hope they don't flip out, too.

Come on Joe, you know who paid for it is irrelevant. The story is, white girl gets stabbed by a black person and Dems are trying to memory hole it.

If the girl on that subway were black and the guy was white, you’d be celebrating the mural.

Why is it different because she was white?

 

[ThisIsMe]

You'd be singing a different tune if it was Geo. Soros funding a mural of Geo. Floyd.


No, we don't murder people because they are ill.

If she were black and he was white, you’d be calling for the death penalty