Democrats demand mural of Iryna Zarutska be destroyed. Dems say it is DIVISIVE!!!

[Lockback]

Come on Joe, you know who paid for it is irrelevant. The story is, white girl gets stabbed by a black person and Dems are trying to memory hole it.

If the girl on that subway were black and the guy was white, you’d be celebrating the mural.

Why is it different because she was white?

Might as well close this thread, Mods, because ThisIsMe just owned it.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Might as well close this thread, Mods, because ThisIsMe just owned it.

Thanks but, the Dems are fairly predictable in this regard.

 

[justoffal]

Come on Joe, you know who paid for it is irrelevant. The story is, white girl gets stabbed by a black person and Dems are trying to memory hole it.

If the girl on that subway were black and the guy was white, you’d be celebrating the mural.

Why is it different because she was white?

Exxxxxxxactly

 

[JoeB131]

He literally destroyed you. A referee would have called it early.

Um, no, schoolyard taunts are not debate. I'm sorry you didn't learn the difference at an early age.

Come on Joe, you know who paid for it is irrelevant. The story is, white girl gets stabbed by a black person and Dems are trying to memory hole it.

No, we're just not letting you guys use a tragedy to advance your racism. This isn't a race issue. It's a policy issue. This man SHOULD have been hospitalized long before he killed anyone.

If the girl on that subway were black and the guy was white, you’d be celebrating the mural.

Nope, if it was a white person with a history of mental illness who killed a black girl, the same problem would apply. Our lack of mental health treatment was the proximate cause of this issue.

Why is it different because she was white?

Because race wasn't the issue. If it had been a black girl with her face in a phone, she'd have been stabbed to death, too.

Can you actually name a case where a mentally ill white man killed a black girl?

No, you can't.

Why? Because white people who are schizophrenic are much more likely to get treatment.

If she were black and he was white, you’d be calling for the death penalty

Well, no, if you have been paying a modicum of attention to my posts (nearly 200K of them) you'd know that I consistently oppose capital punishment.

 

[Lockback]

Um, no, schoolyard taunts are not debate. I'm sorry you didn't learn the difference at an early age.


No, we're just not letting you guys use a tragedy to advance your racism. This isn't a race issue. It's a policy issue. This man SHOULD have been hospitalized long before he killed anyone.



Nope, if it was a white person with a history of mental illness who killed a black girl, the same problem would apply. Our lack of mental health treatment was the proximate cause of this issue.


Because race wasn't the issue. If it had been a black girl with her face in a phone, she'd have been stabbed to death, too.

Can you actually name a case where a mentally ill white man killed a black girl?

No, you can't.

Why? Because white people who are schizophrenic are much more likely to get treatment.



Well, no, if you have been paying a modicum of attention to my posts (nearly 200K of them) you'd know that I consistently oppose capital punishment.

Pathetic.

 

[BackAgain]

You know, if you were mature, you could have just admitted you missed it because you are lazy.

Lol. A douche like you trying to discuss maturity is quite funny. And you’re wrong anyway.

Right, these guys went to school for 8 years to be able to diagnose a disease, but you know more, never having met the man.

Hey, retard: I am not the one who offers his own diagnosis. That was you. And, of course, despite your slavish devotion to the infallibility of medical or psychiatric diagnoses, it happens to be the case that there is a reason for the concept known as “misdiagnosed.”

By the way, to clarify things for your ignorant shallow mind, I don’t either accept or deny that his mental illness was “schizophrenia.” He don’t know that it’s true. Neither do you.

This is as close as you got to making a salient point, so let's discuss.

Your assessment of my number of salient points is rendered meaningless because you aren’t equipped to judge such things.

The Courts have ruled that you can't institutionalize someone unless they are an IMMEDIATE threat. The other half of this problem is that we don't fund mental health programs adequately. So all they can do is medicate guys like this, and if they are somewhat cogent, release them back, when they stop taking their meds.

I personally think this is a bad policy. We should be able to institutionalize people, and mandate that they take their meds. But we also need to fund the programs adequately, which might mean more taxes.

One can (even a dope like you can) maintain that there is no validity to requiring “immediacy” of a threat to one’s self or to others. But there are countervailing arguments. For example, I am guessing that even you wouldn’t appreciate being locked inside an Arkham type “hospital” without at least some rational finding that you posed an immediate threat to yourself or to others.

We won't do these things, of course.

For plenty of good reasons.

Um, okay, let's look at that. First, the Chinese haven't killed nearly as many Muslims in their own country as we've killed in the last 40 years travelling to the other side of the planet.

Link?

Also, the topic was incarceration, not killing. Try to force yourself to stick to the topic actually being discussed.

Second, Xianjiang is an autonomous region within China. They actually have privileges as a region.

Irrelevant to this conversation. Also, not supported by you. I certainly don’t accept any claim made by you without credible support.

Third, it wasn't just "Treasury". The State Department designated ETIM as a terrorist organization. We captured Uyghurs on the battlefield in Afghanistan and held them at Gitmo.

Your link specifically cited Treasury. And it still doesn’t make any difference to your argument.

Yet still dancing circles around you.

More proof that you’re quite delusional.

Wow, you don't know how this is done at all, do you?

In other words you disagree with kickback’s observation; and you thus imagine that he can’t be right. That’s just your overblown and unjustified ego babbling away. .

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Um, no, schoolyard taunts are not debate. I'm sorry you didn't learn the difference at an early age.

In a past discussion, you implied that I go around saying "n****r" all the time. Not only is it not true, it was completely irrelevant to the discussion. You also lie, conflate and deflect as a matter of course.

You are the last person on this board who should be lecturing anyone about proper debate.

No, we're just not letting you guys use a tragedy to advance your racism.

Like you did with George Floyd?

This isn't a race issue. It's a policy issue. This man SHOULD have been hospitalized long before he killed anyone.

It might be a policy issue where mental health is concerned but so is leniency for repeat offenders, which Brown also was. On that issue you can't excuse it based on mental health problems because most of them are not mentally ill.

Nope, if it was a white person with a history of mental illness who killed a black girl, the same problem would apply. Our lack of mental health treatment was the proximate cause of this issue.

Yes, the same problem would apply but the reaction would be completely different and you know it.

Because race wasn't the issue. If it had been a black girl with her face in a phone, she'd have been stabbed to death, too.

I doubt it. I don't have any numbers but it seems to me that these kinds of crimes by blacks or Hispanics are usually against white people. That's the impression I get.

Well, no, if you have been paying a modicum of attention to my posts (nearly 200K of them) you'd know that I consistently oppose capital punishment.

You also consistently lie so that doesn't mean much.

 

[drudge X]

Why is it every time a black person committed a crime against whites and Asians, leftists always make the following excuses?

Mental health
Lack of opportunity
Oppression
Struggling in life
Just some robbery gone wrong
Lack of parental guidance
Need to put food on the table

There’s not even a mention about racism.

When a white dude committed a crime against a black person, minor dispute, or calling police, it’s automatically an indictment against those voted for Trump and therefore, racism gotta be the motive.

Leftists want everyone to believe this nonsense especially the excuses when blacks are committing the crime.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

That racists use this murder to push racism.

Instead of having an honest discussion about this man's untreated mental health problems.

HAHAHA. So the killer is not a killer? Just troubled??

 

[StatesRightsForever]

Why is it every time a black person committed a crime against whites and Asians, leftists always make the following excuses?

Mental health
Lack of opportunity
Oppression
Struggling in life
Just some robbery gone wrong
Lack of parental guidance
Need to put food on the table

Or they claim the white victim was racist. The press always loves that.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

If you need a foreign billionaire to bankroll your Mural, then you just weren't all that.

Her death is a tragedy. The tragedy being this man walked around for 20 years with untreated mental illness and finally snapped one day.

We won't change our mental health policies. We'll all just try to avoid eye contact with these people and hope they don't flip out, too.

"I got that White Girl". Decarlos Dejuan Brown Jr.

He didn't stab any of the other Black people on that train. You loons refuse to accept that this was a racially motivated attack. You have to blame metal illness because it doesn't fit the lefts narrative that only white people are racist.

 

[justoffal]

That racists use this murder to push racism.

Instead of having an honest discussion about this man's untreated mental health problems.

Sorry but you cannot completely discard racism in this instance as both contributory and causal. So you want to throw in mental health as a factor? Fine....everyone is disturbed to a greater or lesser degree and yes it needs more attention...however
so does the rat infestation in NYC.

 

[JoeB131]

I am not the one who offers his own diagnosis. That was you. And, of course, despite your slavish devotion to the infallibility of medical or psychiatric diagnoses, it happens to be the case that there is a reason for the concept known as “misdiagnosed.”

By the way, to clarify things for your ignorant shallow mind, I don’t either accept or deny that his mental illness was “schizophrenia.” He don’t know that it’s true. Neither do you.

I am not offering my own diagnosis, although even a layman could tell this man was seriously mentally disturbed. Professional doctors DID diagnose him as schizophrenic.

That you lack the maturity to concede the point is on you.

One can (even a dope like you can) maintain that there is no validity to requiring “immediacy” of a threat to one’s self or to others. But there are countervailing arguments. For example, I am guessing that even you wouldn’t appreciate being locked inside an Arkham type “hospital” without at least some rational finding that you posed an immediate threat to yourself or to others.

Honestly, if I started ranting that there were "materials" in my body, and my family was concerned enough to contact professional help, I would hope that they would lock me up. Just not next to the Joker, because that guy snores. (Seriously, put down the comic books, this is real life. )

Link?

Also, the topic was incarceration, not killing. Try to force yourself to stick to the topic actually being discussed.

Okay, how many prisoners did we hold at Gitmo, at black sites around the world, at prison camps in Afghanistan and Iraq? Did you forget that Abu Grahib was a thing that happened? The point was, ETIM is a terrorist group, and unlike travelling to the other side of the planet to find "terrorists", the Chinese have them within their own country.

Your link specifically cited Treasury. And it still doesn’t make any difference to your argument.

Actually, it makes all the difference. We agreed with China that ETIM was a terrorist organization. Even held on to ETIM operatives for them and extradited them back to China.

 

[JoeB131]

"I got that White Girl". Decarlos Dejuan Brown Jr.

He didn't stab any of the other Black people on that train. You loons refuse to accept that this was a racially motivated attack. You have to blame metal illness because it doesn't fit the lefts narrative that only white people are racist.

There's a school of thought that racism requires institutional power, therefore black people can't be racist.

They can hate white people, to be sure, but they can't be racism because they can't make the lives of white people collectively worse.

Now, as to the "I got the White Girl", I actually googled the phrase, and oddly, it is not mentioned in any of the MSM Reports. It seems to mostly percolate in social media circles.

Sorry but you cannot completely discard racism in this instance as both contributory and causal. So you want to throw in mental health as a factor? Fine....everyone is disturbed to a greater or lesser degree and yes it needs more attention...however
so does the rat infestation in NYC.

But oddly, he wasn't charged with a hate crime because of something someone alleged he said.

So, um, yeah, unless you give me more evidence than "Someone said he said that", I'm still going with this being a case of untreated mental illness.

 

[JoeB131]

Why is it every time a black person committed a crime against whites and Asians, leftists always make the following excuses?

Mental health
Lack of opportunity
Oppression
Struggling in life
Just some robbery gone wrong
Lack of parental guidance
Need to put food on the table

There’s not even a mention about racism.

When a white dude committed a crime against a black person, minor dispute, or calling police, it’s automatically an indictment against those voted for Trump and therefore, racism gotta be the motive.

Leftists want everyone to believe this nonsense especially the excuses when blacks are committing the crime.

Well, maybe because if you are a white person, you get mental health treatment when you need it, you have plenty of privilege and opportunity, and you are less likely to bed hungry at night, sleeping in a cardboard box.

Brown and his family begged for years to get him help. Help didn't come.

But let's put up a racist mural funded by a South African Racist whose still mad the darkies have equality now.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

There's a school of thought that racism requires institutional power, therefore black people can't be racist.
They can hate white people, to be sure, but they can't be racism because they can't make the lives of white people collectively worse.

That school of thought is ludicrous with no critical thought behind it. When examined logically and critically, it makes no sense. It would mean that any act of racial discrimination by one white individual against one black individual is a collective effort by the entire white race or that the white race as a whole supports or condones it. It would also mean you are racist. Put another way: Guilt by white association.

We both know that is not true and every black person who adheres to this stupid idea knows it's not true.

Institutional power is not required to be racist. It is a form of prejudice that views another race as inferior in some way or manifests certain negative traits as a race that one's own race generally does not. That's it.

Now, as to the "I got the White Girl", I actually googled the phrase, and oddly, it is not mentioned in any of the MSM Reports. It seems to mostly percolate in social media circles.


But oddly, he wasn't charged with a hate crime because of something someone alleged he said.

So, um, yeah, unless you give me more evidence than "Someone said he said that", I'm still going with this being a case of untreated mental illness.

So you need evidence that Brown said "I got the White Girl" but you needed no evidence to claim I go around saying "n****r" all the time? What is your thought process here?

I don't know if Brown said this or not but it's my understanding that he said this to someone in his family as a confession; that he was the one who killed the white girl on the train that was in the news, not necessarily as a boast that he killed a white girl.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Well, maybe because if you are a white person, you get mental health treatment when you need it, you have plenty of privilege and opportunity, and you are less likely to bed hungry at night, sleeping in a cardboard box.

Brown and his family begged for years to get him help. Help didn't come.

But let's put up a racist mural funded by a South African Racist whose still mad the darkies have equality now.

How do you know that Musk is "still mad the darkies have equality now."? Don't you need evidence for this or are we all to assume he does because he's a white South African? And a billionaire, let's not forget that.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

There's a school of thought that racism requires institutional power, therefore black people can't be racist.

They can hate white people, to be sure, but they can't be racism because they can't make the lives of white people collectively worse.

Now, as to the "I got the White Girl", I actually googled the phrase, and oddly, it is not mentioned in any of the MSM Reports. It seems to mostly percolate in social media circles.





But oddly, he wasn't charged with a hate crime because of something someone alleged he said.

So, um, yeah, unless you give me more evidence than "Someone said he said that", I'm still going with this being a case of untreated mental illness.

So some random inbred white supremacist moron has the power to make all black peoples life worse ? I know you would call these people racist, but it's just simple hate if a black person is spewing black power bullshit ? That makes zero sense and that sort of white leftist thinking that Black people can't be racist is the reason the MSM refuses to report it.

Story time. I was married to a Black women. I got along great with her entire family except for one of her Grandmothers and a fake Muslim cousin . Grandma would not speak directly to me even referred to me as the "White boy" a few times. She didn't know a damn thing about me and still barely acknowledged my existence. How is that not racism ? The cousin was a bacon eating moron, but didn't like the fact that a Black women would "lower" herself by marring a White man. How is that not racism. ?

 

[JoeB131]

Story time. I was married to a Black women. I got along great with her entire family except for one of her Grandmothers and a fake Muslim cousin . Grandma would not speak directly to me even referred to me as the "White boy" a few times. She didn't know a damn thing about me and still barely acknowledged my existence. How is that not racism ? The cousin was a bacon eating moron, but didn't like the fact that a Black women would "lower" herself by marring a White man. How is that not racism. ?

Okay, and how did that make your life any harder or more difficult?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Um, no, schoolyard taunts are not debate. I'm sorry you didn't learn the difference at an early age.


No, we're just not letting you guys use a tragedy to advance your racism. This isn't a race issue. It's a policy issue. This man SHOULD have been hospitalized long before he killed anyone.

You all use all kinds of tragedies to advance your racism claims. Nearly every white cop or other person who does anything to a black person, racism is the first motive that most dems run to.

Nope, if it was a white person with a history of mental illness who killed a black girl, the same problem would apply. Our lack of mental health treatment was the proximate cause of this issue.

Then why is it every time there is a white on black murder, it’s never about mental health, it was “racism”?

Because race wasn't the issue. If it had been a black girl with her face in a phone, she'd have been stabbed to death, too.

Of course it wasn’t the issue, because it was a black on white murder, those things tend to get swept under the carpet. If the races were reversed, mental health wouldn’t even be being discussed, it would be “this is what maga racism causes!”

Well, no, if you have been paying a modicum of attention to my posts (nearly 200K of them) you'd know that I consistently oppose capital punishment.

Well, that’s fine, YOU might not, but a crime such as this would NEVER be called racism, because the victim was white. To me, that’s very inconsistent