Democrats demand mural of Iryna Zarutska be destroyed. Dems say it is DIVISIVE!!!

[JoeB131]

Making a value judgement on a person is profiling.

The issue is RACIAL profiling, not just profiling

No one is crazy enough to say a black guy in business attire is a threat whereas five white dudes being rowdy and cursing are not a threat.

Yet how many times do we hear stories of that black businessman being pulled over for a DWB because his car was too nice or he didn't belong in that neighborhood?

You continue to avoid admitting that it’s natural for human instinct to profile living things. When you make a threat assessment on humans and animals, you are profiling but that doesn’t mean blanket hate. If I see five black guys walking toward me, I would be vigilant.

Because you are a racist. We've established that.

If I see five east Asian guys, my vigilant level goes down. You can say it’s hate. I look at probability based on statistics. That’s perfectly normal for any human being to do. You wouldn’t live in a neighborhood with 95% blacks and I wouldn’t either because of what statistics tell us.

I've lived in neighborhoods that were majority minority, that's meaningless.

the problem here isn't the race, it's the racism in society that consigns minorities to poorer (and thereby more crime-prone) neighborhoods. The old joke in Chicago was "Intergration" is the period between the first black family moving in and the last white family moving out.

I was probably the last white guy to move out of the neighborhood I live in until 2000.

 

[drudge X]

The issue is RACIAL profiling, not just profiling

Yet how many times do we hear stories of that black businessman being pulled over for a DWB because his car was too nice or he didn't belong in that neighborhood?




Because you are a racist. We've established that.



I've lived in neighborhoods that were majority minority, that's meaningless.

the problem here isn't the race, it's the racism in society that consigns minorities to poorer (and thereby more crime-prone) neighborhoods. The old joke in Chicago was "Intergration" is the period between the first black family moving in and the last white family moving out.

I was probably the last white guy to move out of the neighborhood I live in until 2000.

So making decision based on statistics is racist? Good god man seek help.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe is grasping straws. Those who killed Byrd and Aubrey received the death penalty or life without parole. Yet, he is making excuse for Brown when the killing was indeed a hate crime. No mentally retard person will look for the white to stab and then say I got that white girl. That’s premeditated murder.

Because you've given me no evidence that Brown engaged in a hate crime. Sorry, unsubstantiated claims that he said "I got the white girl" don't impress me.

There is AMPLE evidence that he was mentally ill. He was diagnosed as being Schizophrenic (not mentally retarded, I'm sorry you don't understand the difference.) He and his family BEGGED for help for years and didn't get it.

 

[JoeB131]

So making decision based on statistics is racist? Good god man seek help.

Using "Statistics" to rationalize your racism? Great C'Thulhu, man, Seek help.

 

[Lockback]

Allegedly. Because the mainstream coverage seems not to have this 'factoid" when you Google it. Just the fringe commentators.



You don't?

How about the case of James Byrd

Murder of James Byrd Jr. - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Or Ahmaud Arbery

Murder of Ahmaud Arbery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm curious how you managed to have a career in the military being this racist. Someone would have thrown you a blanket party as tome point.



Um, no, that's making a value judgement. Profiling would be treating the black dude in the business suit as a threat while ignoring the rude and rowdy white boys.


That makes you kind of sound pathetic. I guess I was the only one paying attention to you and it fulfilled your otherwise useless life.

You know, you might benefit from posting something that isn't 550,000 words long.
You're the wordiest sumbitch I've ever seen.

 

[JoeB131]

You know, you might benefit from posting something that isn't 550,000 words long.

So you can't count and big words confuse you?

You're the wordiest sumbitch I've ever seen.

I'm sorry you have a short attention span.

 

[Hollie]

I'm not the one playing the race card. That would be Racist Elon paying for a mural of a dead Ukrainian girl. It's amusing that you are concerned about this one pretty white girl when your side has made anyone else applying for asylum a test of endurance.



Yes, I have. The white victim, particularly if she's a pretty girl, gets a lot more attention.

Poor old Joe. He just hates them white womens.

 

[JoeB131]

Poor old Joe. He just hates them white womens.

Well, I prefer Asian women, but that's a different issue.

I feel bad for this woman. She was a victim because we have a national policy of releasing hundreds of thousands of mentally ill people on our streets without treatment.

We need to invest billions into mental health treatment (which Conservatives would hate because taxes), and we need to bring back mental hospitals to keep guys like this in (which liberals will hate because sometimes they have more compassion than good sense.)

None of this will happen, and the racists will claim, "OH MY GOD, EVIL BLACK PEOPLE WANT TO KILL US ALL!!!!"

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Well, I prefer Asian women, but that's a different issue.

I feel bad for this woman. She was a victim because we have a national policy of releasing hundreds of thousands of mentally ill people on our streets without treatment.

She was a victim because we have policies releasing criminals back on the street. Mentally ill criminals are likely a smaller portion of those numbers. Not to mention that the greater numbers of random, unmotivated murders and assaults like this one are committed by people who are not mentally ill.

We need to invest billions into mental health treatment (which Conservatives would hate because taxes), and we need to bring back mental hospitals to keep guys like this in (which liberals will hate because sometimes they have more compassion than good sense.)

None of this will happen, and the racists will claim, "OH MY GOD, EVIL BLACK PEOPLE WANT TO KILL US ALL!!!!"

Is that any different than black people screaming "OH MY GOD, EVIL WHITE COPS WANT TO KILL US ALL!!!!"

 

[JoeB131]

She was a victim because we have policies releasing criminals back on the street. Mentally ill criminals are likely a smaller portion of those numbers. Not to mention that the greater numbers of random, unmotivated murders and assaults like this one are committed by people who are not mentally ill.

Going to take stalker-boi off ignore for a minute, let's see if he can address stuff without sophistry and bullshit.

We don't have enough jail space to lock up every criminal.

We have 2 million people in prison (More than any country on Earth, even Red China!)
We have another 7 million on probation or parole.
We have 70 million with a police record of some sort.

In this case, most of his "Criminal" activity was petty and related to his mental illness. His previous "arrest" was for repeatedly calling 911 because he knew he was messed up and was begging for help. Instead of getting him help, they arrested him on a "misuse of 911" charge.

Oh, in case anyone missed it.

Brown found 'incapable to proceed' on Iryna Zarutska murder charge

Decarlos Brown Jr., the man who allegedly fatally stabbed 23-year-old Iryna Zarutska in the neck on Aug. 22 on Charlotte’s Lynx Blue Line, has been found “incapable to proceed” on the state murder charge against him.

www.carolinajournal.com

Decarlos Brown Jr., the man who allegedly fatally stabbed 23-year-old Iryna Zarutska in the neck on Aug. 22 on Charlotte’s Lynx Blue Line, has been found “incapable to proceed” on the state murder charge against him.

A Dec. 29 report from Central Regional Hospital found he was incapable of proceeding, prompting his public defender to file a motion on Tuesday asking the court to continue the case and delay the Rule 24 hearing, scheduled for April 30, for six months, to allow more time for further evaluation, which the Mecklenburg County District Attorney’s office agreed to. The hearing had already been postponed.

Is that any different than black people screaming "OH MY GOD, EVIL WHITE COPS WANT TO KILL US ALL!!!!"

Quite a bit. Cops are killing people while they are being paid to protect them. And there's a whole system to protect them when they do.

One way or the other, this guy is either going to spend the rest of his life in prison or a mental hospital. That's accountability.

Killer Cops at worst lose their jobs in most cases, or serve minimal sentences no matter how egregious their conduct.

Now, I've often said, 99% of cops are good guys doing a difficult job. The problem is that they tolerate the 1% in their ranks who are not. Guys like Chauvin, Wilson, Van Dyke, and Loehmann.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Going to take stalker-boi off ignore for a minute, let's see if he can address stuff without sophistry and bullshit.

I don't think you have me on ignore at all, I think you're just ignoring me. It doesn't matter which one it is except the latter means you lied. Again.

We don't have enough jail space to lock up every criminal.

So build more jails. If this is indeed a factor as to why career criminals are released back on the street where some eventually kill someone, build more ******* prisons. It's not rocket science and the cost of any prison does not equal the value of an innocent life.

But I don't think prison space is actually a factor as to why career criminals are repeatedly released back to the street. I think this is just more of your own sophistry and bullshit.

We have 2 million people in prison (More than any country on Earth, even Red China!)
We have another 7 million on probation or parole.
We have 70 million with a police record of some sort.

And?

In this case, most of his "Criminal" activity was petty and related to his mental illness. His previous "arrest" was for repeatedly calling 911 because he knew he was messed up and was begging for help. Instead of getting him help, they arrested him on a "misuse of 911" charge.

Again, and?

Oh, in case anyone missed it.

Brown found 'incapable to proceed' on Iryna Zarutska murder charge

Decarlos Brown Jr., the man who allegedly fatally stabbed 23-year-old Iryna Zarutska in the neck on Aug. 22 on Charlotte’s Lynx Blue Line, has been found “incapable to proceed” on the state murder charge against him.

www.carolinajournal.com

Decarlos Brown Jr., the man who allegedly fatally stabbed 23-year-old Iryna Zarutska in the neck on Aug. 22 on Charlotte’s Lynx Blue Line, has been found “incapable to proceed” on the state murder charge against him.

A Dec. 29 report from Central Regional Hospital found he was incapable of proceeding, prompting his public defender to file a motion on Tuesday asking the court to continue the case and delay the Rule 24 hearing, scheduled for April 30, for six months, to allow more time for further evaluation, which the Mecklenburg County District Attorney’s office agreed to. The hearing had already been postponed.

I thought you didn't post links? But nevertheless, this is irrelevant because I never disputed that the guy was mentally ill. Besides all that, it is irrelevant to the issue regarding the mural, which is what this discussion is about.

Quite a bit. Cops are killing people while they are being paid to protect them. And there's a whole system to protect them when they do.

So your contention is that evil white cops are out to kill black people?

One way or the other, this guy is either going to spend the rest of his life in prison or a mental hospital. That's accountability.
Killer Cops at worst lose their jobs in most cases, or serve minimal sentences no matter how egregious their conduct.

Now, I've often said, 99% of cops are good guys doing a difficult job. The problem is that they tolerate the 1% in their ranks who are not. Guys like Chauvin, Wilson, Van Dyke, and Loehmann.

I'm not swayed in the least by any of this because every time a cop is not charged you simply claim a racist coverup.

 

[JoeB131]

So build more jails. If this is indeed a factor as to why career criminals are released back on the street where some eventually kill someone, build more ******* prisons. It's not rocket science and the cost of any prison does not equal the value of an innocent life.

Well, it does if we have to pay the taxes for your prison-industrial complex.

To just lock up the 2 million we have now, it costs 80 Billion dollars. If we were to lock up everyone (assuming you can find the people to staff these prisons, most of them are chronically understaffed) on probation or parole, it would cost 320 billion.

And?

Sorry that numbers confuse you.

Do you really think all 70 million Americans with a police record belong in jail?

I thought you didn't post links? But nevertheless, this is irrelevant because I never disputed that the guy was mentally ill. Besides all that, it is irrelevant to the issue regarding the mural, which is what this discussion is about.

No, the discussion is why Elon Musk, a guy from a country that practiced apartheid in our lifetimes, wants to put up a mural to race-bait.

But if he is mentally ill, he needs treatment (which he is now going to get) instead of prison.

So your contention is that evil white cops are out to kill black people?

My contention is that whenever you have one of these truly egregious incidents, you usually find a cop with a binder full of previous complaints of excessive force, usually directed towards minorities.

I'm not swayed in the least by any of this because every time a cop is not charged you simply claim a racist coverup.

Not really. Most cases where someone comes after a cop with a gun or a knife, and he gets shot, I don't have an issue.

I've also spoken out against going after the cops who shot Breonna Taylor. She got shot because one drug-dealing boyfriend implicated her in his drug dealing and her other lowlife boyfriend decided shooting at cops was a good idea.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Well, it does if we have to pay the taxes for your prison-industrial complex.

To just lock up the 2 million we have now, it costs 80 Billion dollars. If we were to lock up everyone (assuming you can find the people to staff these prisons, most of them are chronically understaffed) on probation or parole, it would cost 320 billion.

If the amount of money scares you then think of a way to reduce crime rather than ways of freeing up prison space.

Sorry that numbers confuse you.

It's not the numbers that confuse me, it's your argument. Just citing numbers doesn't mean anything.

Do you really think all 70 million Americans with a police record belong in jail?

Where are you getting this from?

No, the discussion is why Elon Musk, a guy from a country that practiced apartheid in our lifetimes, wants to put up a mural to race-bait.

No, it's not. It's not even about Musk, dumbass. The discussion is about the city of Providence not allowing the mural of a murdered immigrant on one of their buildings and having it removed (painted over). Read the thread title again. Idiot.

But if he is mentally ill, he needs treatment (which he is now going to get) instead of prison.

Fine. I haven't said a word about this case or Brown other than that murders and assaults by repeat offenders is out of control. And random murders and assaults are also out of control.

My contention is that whenever you have one of these truly egregious incidents, you usually find a cop with a binder full of previous complaints of excessive force, usually directed towards minorities.

So, EVIL WHITE COPS ARE NOT OUT TO KILL BLACKS?

Not really. Most cases where someone comes after a cop with a gun or a knife, and he gets shot, I don't have an issue.

But you do have an issue with a Catholic kid smiling at someone, enough that you are willing to lie about it. Right?

I've also spoken out against going after the cops who shot Breonna Taylor. She got shot because one drug-dealing boyfriend implicated her in his drug dealing and her other lowlife boyfriend decided shooting at cops was a good idea.

But you claimed coverup in the case of Michael Brown and Kyle Rittenhouse. You do this every time you don't agree with the outcome. That's the real issue with your approach to these kinds of things.

 

[JoeB131]

If the amount of money scares you then think of a way to reduce crime rather than ways of freeing up prison space.

Sure. Fix the root causes of Crime.

Treat addiction as a medical issue instead of a criminal one.
Adequately fund mental health treatment.
Address the issue of poverty in our distressed areas.
Oh, yeah, don't let any idiot who wants a gun have one.

The Europeans and the Japanese have figured this out. They have nowhere near our crime or incarceration rates.

Where are you getting this from?

You stated we are letting too many people out of prison who have committed crimes. Well, we have 70 million people with police records, and only 2 million of them are in jail right now.

No, it's not. It's not even about Musk, dumbass. The discussion is about the city of Providence not allowing the mural of a murdered immigrant on one of their buildings and having it removed (painted over). Read the thread title again. Idiot.

Actually, it's exactly about Musk using race-baiting to stir up anger against blacks. We have 25,000 homicides a year in this country, why does she get a mural? Because Musk is a racist.

So, EVIL WHITE COPS ARE NOT OUT TO KILL BLACKS?

I stated my point in clear English, sorry you didn't understand it.

But you do have an issue with a Catholic kid

See, you can't help yourself, can you? Smirky was a little punk.

But you claimed coverup in the case of Michael Brown and Kyle Rittenhouse. You do this every time you don't agree with the outcome.

Yes, when I see an egregious result, I don't say, "Welp, the system worked!" I also think the system failed miserably when OJ Simpson walked because the Jury wanted to make a political statement. I think the system failed miserably when Bill Cosby walked because the prosecutors couldn't get their act straight.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Sure. Fix the root causes of Crime.

Treat addiction as a medical issue instead of a criminal one.
Adequately fund mental health treatment.
Address the issue of poverty in our distressed areas.
Oh, yeah, don't let any idiot who wants a gun have one.

Well there you go.

The Europeans and the Japanese have figured this out. They have nowhere near our crime or incarceration rates.


You stated we are letting too many people out of prison who have committed crimes. Well, we have 70 million people with police records, and only 2 million of them are in jail right now.

That's not what I said, dumbass. I said too many repeat offenders are allowed back on the street after a multitude of arrests for violent crimes and assault. Is no one seeing a pattern when a criminal accumulates a rap sheet of up to thirty arrests or more?

Actually, it's exactly about Musk using race-baiting to stir up anger against blacks. We have 25,000 homicides a year in this country, why does she get a mural? Because Musk is a racist.

It's not about Musk and I'm not going to let you divert to him just because you hate him. It's about the city not allowing the mural after someone like George Floyd gets murals, memorials and statues across the entire country. But Providence won't allow one f***ing mural for this girl. Why?

I stated my point in clear English, sorry you didn't understand it.

Your point was irrelevant to my question. Either you believe evil white cops are out to get blacks or you don't.

Look, you're the one who started this shit when you embellished your argument by claiming racists will scream: "OH MY GOD, EVIL BLACK PEOPLE WANT TO KILL US ALL!!!!" All I did was run with that and switch the races. So now you're evading it.

See, you can't help yourself, can you? Smirky was a little punk.

That you lied about. If he's as bad as you say, why did you lie about why he was there and what he was doing?

The only reason I keep bringing up Sandmann is because of the flagrant lies you said about him and the fact that you actually looked for other reasons to hate him that had nothing to do with the incident, namely, his religion and pro-life stance. I bring them up, to point out to you that you are full of shit. I can't take you seriously on matters of race or anything else when I know you will lie or have already lied.

Then there's the lies you said about the Michael Brown case and the crap you spewed about the Israeli Six Day War. Your blatant dishonesty just doesn't jibe with the smug moralizing you do here in this discussion and elsewhere, especially on matters of race. Something just doesn't add up.

One would think that if someone takes up an important cause such as racism and race issues, that person would care enough about it to be truthful. You are not. Even to the point of claiming I say "N****r" all the time with no evidence. Any scintilla of respect I may have had for you went into the bonfire after that one.

You have reached the point of what atheists call - when referring to people of faith - as Belief in Belief. Ending racism is not your goal. Your goal is to simply preach about racism and be seen doing it.

Yes, when I see an egregious result, I don't say, "Welp, the system worked!"

"egregious result" is just your opinion.

I also think the system failed miserably when OJ Simpson walked because the Jury wanted to make a political statement. I think the system failed miserably when Bill Cosby walked because the prosecutors couldn't get their act straight.

I don't care. The point is that every time you disagree with the outcome of a case, it's always racism, corruption or coverup or all three.

 

[JoeB131]

That's not what I said, dumbass. I said too many repeat offenders are allowed back on the street after a multitude of arrests for violent crimes and assault. Is no one seeing a pattern when a criminal accumulates a rap sheet of up to thirty arrests or more?

That would be fine and all if there were a "pattern". The problem is, when you guys scream about a long "rap sheet", it's usually the cops hassling them for petty offenses and maybe one or two real crimes.

In the case of Brown, he did a five-year stint for armed robbery. The rest of his offenses were minor shit they don't lock people up for.

His family BEGGED the authorities to put him in a mental hospital, which is where he belonged.

It's not about Musk and I'm not going to let you divert to him just because you hate him. It's about the city not allowing the mural after someone like George Floyd gets murals, memorials and statues across the entire country. But Providence won't allow one f***ing mural for this girl. Why?

It's completely about Musk's race-baiting.
This girl didn't die because of systemic racism in the Police Department.

She died because we don't treat our mentally ill, and she didn't have the good sense God gave dogs to be aware of your surroundings on public transportation.

Look, you're the one who started this shit when you embellished your argument by claiming racists will scream: "OH MY GOD, EVIL BLACK PEOPLE WANT TO KILL US ALL!!!!" All I did was run with that and switch the races. So now you're evading it.

That's kind of absurd, but par for the course with you.

That you lied about.

Look, guy, whatever your obsession with Smirky is, I don't care at this point.

Maybe you should look him up and ask for a date. He's probably legal by now.

"egregious result" is just your opinion.

Nope, it's an evaluation of the facts. A thug guns down an unarmed child, and the system rewards him because black people are scary.

I don't care. The point is that every time you disagree with the outcome of a case, it's always racism, corruption or coverup or all three.

So it was racist when i said the courts screwed up when they let Bill Cosby and OJ Simpson go?

Now, I'm going to unfollow this thread now, so if you really need the last word, have at it.

 

[Hafar1014]

That would be fine and all if there were a "pattern". The problem is, when you guys scream about a long "rap sheet", it's usually the cops hassling them for petty offenses and maybe one or two real crimes.

In the case of Brown, he did a five-year stint for armed robbery. The rest of his offenses were minor shit they don't lock people up for.

His family BEGGED the authorities to put him in a mental hospital, which is where he belonged.


It's completely about Musk's race-baiting.
This girl didn't die because of systemic racism in the Police Department.

She died because we don't treat our mentally ill, and she didn't have the good sense God gave dogs to be aware of your surroundings on public transportation.



That's kind of absurd, but par for the course with you.


Look, guy, whatever your obsession with Smirky is, I don't care at this point.

Maybe you should look him up and ask for a date. He's probably legal by now.


Nope, it's an evaluation of the facts. A thug guns down an unarmed child, and the system rewards him because black people are scary.


So it was racist when i said the courts screwed up when they let Bill Cosby and OJ Simpson go?

Now, I'm going to unfollow this thread now, so if you really need the last word, have at it.

We must always remind democrats of the illegal crime wave they created

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

That would be fine and all if there were a "pattern". The problem is, when you guys scream about a long "rap sheet", it's usually the cops hassling them for petty offenses and maybe one or two real crimes.

Yup, blaming it on the evil white cops again.

In the case of Brown, he did a five-year stint for armed robbery. The rest of his offenses were minor shit they don't lock people up for.

His family BEGGED the authorities to put him in a mental hospital, which is where he belonged.

I've made it clear that I agree more should be done about the mentally ill. I responded to one of your posts to point out that releasing repeat offenders is also a big problem in this country. I wasn't even talking about Brown and I said that from the beginning.

It's completely about Musk's race-baiting.

Negative. This discussion is about the city shutting it down. They would have shut it down no matter who funded it and you know it.

This girl didn't die because of systemic racism in the Police Department.

Is that a requirement for a murder victim to get a mural?

She died because we don't treat our mentally ill, and she didn't have the good sense God gave dogs to be aware of your surroundings on public transportation.

Blaming the victim again because the perpetrator was black.

That's kind of absurd, but par for the course with you.

What's absurd is you think conservatives believe blacks are out to kill us all. Like I said, you started this absurdity, not me.

Look, guy, whatever your obsession with Smirky is, I don't care at this point.

This is not about Sandmann per se and I've told you that already. This is about your obsession with hating him and lying about him. It literally could have been any one of those kids. Phillips only approached Sandmann because he was front and center of the group.

When the truth came out about the encounter, pretty much all the other haters repented of their false assumptions and moved on. Not you.

Maybe you should look him up and ask for a date. He's probably legal by now.

I would but he's a little too white, Catholic and pro-life for my taste. Yours too.

Nope, it's an evaluation of the facts. A thug guns down an unarmed child, and the system rewards him because black people are scary.

Like I said, racism, corruption and coverup.

So it was racist when i said the courts screwed up when they let Bill Cosby and OJ Simpson go?

What? That makes no sense given what I said.

Now, I'm going to unfollow this thread now, so if you really need the last word, have at it.

Okay. The last words I have on the subject is to ask a question: Why is it that when Floyd died it was all about the cop being white but when Zarutska was murdered it was racist to point out the murderer was black and maybe killed her because she was white?

If a mural is divisive in one case it's divisive in the other. And it was divisive in Floyd's case because it sparked the widespread anti-police sentiment that precipitated the idiotic Defund the Police movement.

You can't have it both ways and you can't just explain it away with silly canards like "Blacks can't be racist" that defy logic and truth. Some blacks are racist and that is the truth.

 

[Ringo]