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[JoeB131]

1. Prove what youu say, because I'm calling BULLSHIT. Medicare and SS are going bankrupt. I'm retired, so I paid for those benefits. Why don't the democrats "fix" SS and Medicare NOW, when they have the majorities?

Sixties Fan refuted your nonsense pretty well. The point is, you didn't pay for those benefits... you paid for other people who retired. And people who aren't retired are now paying for you. If you live to be 72, you've already gotten out everything you ever paid into Social Security, and if you've had one serious medical issue, you've probably already gotten out everything you paid into Medicare.

2. Don't understand how capitalism works, huh? Oh, that's right, you're a government worker living off other people's taxes.

I understand how capitalism works perfectly well... I just wonder why the majority of us still tolerate it.

3. I showed you the link, from CNBC that correctly described the first debate. It was a Biden beat down that cost Trump many women voters.

CNBC is the right wing version of NBC that ignores what Trump did as long as the markets are good.
Trump acted like a petulant child.
Most people felt Biden won. But again, Trump acted like he was going to expose Biden's senility at the debate and Joe more than held his own.

Debate-watchers say Biden won first debate, but most felt "annoyed" — CBS News poll

Immediately after the debate, the CBS News Battleground Tracker interviewed likely voters nationwide who watched the debate in order to get their reaction.

www.cbsnews.com

CNN Poll: Biden wins final presidential debate

Joe Biden did a better job in the final debate on Thursday, according to a CNN Instant Poll of debate watchers. Overall, 53% of voters who watched the debate said that Biden won the matchup, while 39% said that President Donald Trump did.

www.cnn.com

 

[JoeB131]

On January 7, 2021 most Republican politicians stood up and bitch slapped Donald Trump.

Within a week, they were all lining up to kiss his ass again.

Never underestimate the weakmindedness and cuckholdery of the New Right.

I agree, they were cowardly. They had probably thought that January 6th would have turned the majority of Americans against Trump. When it didn't, they were all out to ingratiate themselves to him.

I still think it's a bit early for Democrats to declare victory. If the economy gets worse next year, Trump could still be very viable as a candidate. And the Fed is using their 40 year old playbook to make the economy worse.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Readers:

Note how few Democrats say "That would be awesome, and I agree"

They don't want it either. They need a Republican House as a foil, just like they need Trump as a foil.

Because their ideas suck and are destroying the nation

1). There has been on cheating on the Democratic side, 2020 or 2022. Trump and the Republicans saying it since 2016 during the campaign, does not make it so. Ask Krebb, a Republican and was working National Security at the time of the 2020 election.

Repeating a lie a Million times will not make it come true. Believe it all you like.

Many Republicans who have worked in the Reagan, Bush Sr and Jr Administrations have LEFT the Republican Party since 2016. Should not that tell you something?

Michael Steele, Steve Schmidt, George Will, David Frum,Joe Scarboro and many others have been sounding the alarm against what Trump and the Republican Party have been doing and have become under the Trump administration for the past 6 years.


You and many others are not listening to them. You are not hearing or listening to those who worked for the Trump Administration, no matter how long, and have come out telling how NOT Republican their values have been. How their values have totally changed, which used to be upheld up to the Bush administration.

I will say it: I want it. I want the country to work on infrastructure, to make health care cheaper, etc, etc, which the Republicans are not interested in.

Trump's Infrastructure Accomplishments Fall Short of Promises

President Trump has fallen short of 2016 promises to update and upgrade the key infrastructure of the United States, according to this article.

www.planetizen.com

One thing that I am happy about, if the Democrats keep the House , is that there will be no WASTE at all in time, effort and money in the already spoken about and promised "Impeachment" of President Biden.

Maybe others can add to what the Democrats can achieve, with Republicans on both House and Senate, who are for making the country better, and making better the lives of many who need it.

 

[SweetSue92]

1). There has been on cheating on the Democratic side, 2020 or 2022. Trump and the Republicans saying it since 2016 during the campaign, does not make it so. Ask Krebb, a Republican and was working National Security at the time of the 2020 election.

Repeating a lie a Million times will not make it come true. Believe it all you like.

Many Republicans who have worked in the Reagan, Bush Sr and Jr Administrations have LEFT the Republican Party since 2016. Should not that tell you something?

Michael Steele, Steve Schmidt, George Will, David Frum,Joe Scarboro and many others have been sounding the alarm against what Trump and the Republican Party have been doing and have become under the Trump administration for the past 6 years.


You and many others are not listening to them. You are not hearing or listening to those who worked for the Trump Administration, no matter how long, and have come out telling how NOT Republican their values have been. How their values have totally changed, which used to be upheld up to the Bush administration.

I will say it: I want it. I want the country to work on infrastructure, to make health care cheaper, etc, etc, which the Republicans are not interested in.

Trump's Infrastructure Accomplishments Fall Short of Promises

President Trump has fallen short of 2016 promises to update and upgrade the key infrastructure of the United States, according to this article.

www.planetizen.com

One thing that I am happy about, if the Democrats keep the House , is that there will be no WASTE at all in time, effort and money in the already spoken about and promised "Impeachment" of President Biden.

Maybe others can add to what the Democrats can achieve, with Republicans on both House and Senate, who are for making the country better, and making better the lives of many who need it.

I hope you win the House. You all deserve it, and you deserve not to have us as a fall guy.

Your demented president--you deserve him.

The inflation, economic downturn, coming food shortages. You deserve that too.

Sometimes God gives people what they deserve

 

[Sixties Fan]

^ that's fine, but the point is to separate social programs that involve "individualized" attention from "federal govt that is designed for uniform policies for all states and people treated the same"

It becomes politically conflicted to want both "mandated federal policy for everyone" yet demand "free choice and right to individual beliefs and needs" which vary.

The liberals are mixing and abusing "federal" govt with "individual rights and needs" that belong to states to manage democratically with the people more directly.

Because liberals aren't organizing this care at the local levels, the tendency has grown to overreliance on "federal govt" to provide it by "redistributing" resources by taxation (instead of fixing these problems locally to be self sufficient and sustainable). This forced "redistribution" punishes the people for generating more income and rewards people for staying poor and relying on govt (even my progressive socialist friends have argued against the welfare system that punishes people for earning more and becoming independent where it's backwards) instead of empowering people locally to own and manage their own resources and programs so they don't rely on welfare handouts.

Your last paragraph shows the Republican mentality. Tax cuts for the wealthy, who do not need more money, and not wanting to help those who need it so that will come to help the economy, as so many do.

Life is not as black and white as that paragraph makes it sound. There are many reasons why people need help, not counting hurricanes, earthquakes, etc which do require the government to step in and help people get back on their feet, otherwise the homelessness in this country would be much higher.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I hope you win the House. You all deserve it, and you deserve not to have us as a fall guy.

Your demented president--you deserve him.

The inflation, economic downturn, coming food shortages. You deserve that too.

Sometimes God gives people what they deserve

We deserve the House because we proved that we wanted to help the country, and not just one party and one former President and his ideas.

President Biden is NOT demented, never has been, but by all means follow the Republican playbook since the 2016 election of calling him demented.

Best of all NO foreign government will agree with the Republican assessment that Joe Biden suffers from dementia.

Inflation is GLOBAL. Learn that. Caused by the pandemic and a power and territory hungry, Putin. But keep repeating it if it makes you feel better.

Economy is doing fine. Unemployment is doing fine. Food shortage ?

What other fear mongering tools the Republicans have expressed would you like to use, which gratefully did not work on a lot of Republicans this time?


Do stop using god as an excuse for your short sightedness. You are mainly about religious beliefs, and religious beliefs do NOT run a country.
The Vatican, perhaps, and many theocratic governed countries like Iran, but not the USA.

 

[Mac1958]

Mac1958
Just as important election as any....

Opinion | Adrian Fontes wins in Arizona, prompting a sigh of relief from Dems

Fontes’ victory is sure to draw some small sigh of relief from those who were worried about American elections.

www.msnbc.com

Election-denier OathKeeper shut out of the AZ Sec State office. Dodged a bullet, there. Lost by 5.6 points.

Since I don't really understand politics, I'm spectacularly bad at predicting elections. So my faith has been restored somewhat. It's clear that people are paying more attention than I thought.

Phew.

 

[Mac1958]

Nah Mac. You love the Dems and have sided with them since Trump broke you.

Now they will cheat in the West until they get the House too. Good.

Enjoy Biden 2.0. You voted for him and deserve him in spades.

I've noticed you pretending to like the GQP's spectacular, self-inflicted failure.

You're not very good at hiding your hate, paranoia or misery. Sorry.

 

[Mac1958]

The ignorant orange cult fucked this up, big time. You fell head over heels for the most blatant con man this country has ever seen.

That's on you. No one else.

 

[Dragonlady]

Democrats need to be punished severely for what they thought they could get away with

The Democrats haven’t been trying to get away with anything. You have to be extremely gullible and stupid to believe that. Democrats have no need to cheat elections because there are more Democrats and liberals than there are Republicans or conservatives.

 

[Esdraelon]

Meanwhile back in reality, the GOP is taking the House.

Tomorrow is one week after the election. The results are still trickling in and there is no confirmation of a GOP control of the House. The Dems are slow walking the counts. WHY? If the House stays in Nancy's hands, I'm done. I'll be preparing for plan B from this point on.

 

[j-mac]

Defund the entire Executive Branch.

These are Republicans now, you know they aren’t going to do that….

 

[candycorn]

Tomorrow is one week after the election. The results are still trickling in and there is no confirmation of a GOP control of the House. The Dems are slow walking the counts. WHY? If the House stays in Nancy's hands, I'm done. I'll be preparing for plan B from this point on.

Ok...well keep us posted on whatever the hell it is you're talking about.

Plan B? Did they outlaw abortion in your state too?

 

[j-mac]

Because they have to deal with Republicans who, if given the chance, would repeal both Social Security and Medicare

Oh? Show us where Republicans are for that….I’m sure you won’t because it’s easier to lie.

 

[rightwinger]

The ignorant orange cult fucked this up, big time. You fell head over heels for the most blatant con man this country has ever seen.

That's on you. No one else.

Trump had a simple demand for his support

Back his stolen election lies and he would support you
Many Republicans took him up on it.
They lost

Republicans like Kemp and DeSantis who avoided the Big Lie won Bigly

 

[rightwinger]

Oh? Show us where Republicans are for that….I’m sure you won’t because it’s easier to lie.

Republicans' Public Opposition To Social Security And Medicare

A poll a week before the election about Repoublican social and economic policy is a red flag for Republicans, 60 percent of Americans would prefer to reverse the Republican 2017 tax cuts than cut spending on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

www.forbes.com

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Very few Dems ran on that

Republicans ran on banning abortion, ignoring healthcare, ignoring working Americans

They lost

Yeah no.
The abortion argument is a manufactured argument. Both sides have been using it ever since RvW as a vote getter.
Both sides.
Ignoring healthcare? You mean avoiding universal healthcare. That is two different things. No Republican in the history of our nation ran on "let's close all of are hospitals and just wing it!"
Or we can talk about how Obamacare raised the cost of out of pocket healthcare cost for every single American save the poorest. Immediately after Obamacare - premiums went up, deductibles went up and now many-many plans are now 70/30 or even 60/40. (Which should be illegal)

 

[Sixties Fan]

Tomorrow is one week after the election. The results are still trickling in and there is no confirmation of a GOP control of the House. The Dems are slow walking the counts. WHY? If the House stays in Nancy's hands, I'm done. I'll be preparing for plan B from this point on.

NO ONE is slow walking the counts. You got that new Republican favorite expression from ......Tah DAH............The Republicans.

Grown ups accept election results, as they most of the time have on the Republican side.

Non grown ups go to plan B. And it better not be violence and mayhem as the prisons are already full.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Oh? Show us where Republicans are for that….I’m sure you won’t because it’s easier to lie.

Privatizing means, eventually doing away with it, one year at a time. Not expand it, not make it untouchable, but give it to some Anybody, who will be bad at business and all of a sudden.....OOOPs!
We are out of money for SS and Medicare. SORRY !!!!

MAGA Republicansâ Plan to Force Social Security and Medicare Cuts

A Republican default on the national debt would exacerbate inflation, increase costs, and put Americans’ benefits at risk.

www.americanprogressaction.org

The third rail Republicans can’t stop touching

Social Security and Medicare are wildly popular. So why do GOP Senate candidates keep talking about privatizing them?

www.politico.com

 

[rightwinger]

Yeah no.
The abortion argument is a manufactured argument. Both sides have been using it ever since RvW as a vote getter.
Both sides.
Ignoring healthcare? You mean avoiding universal healthcare. That is two different things. No Republican in the history of our nation ran on "let's close all of are hospitals and just wing it!"
Or we can talk about how Obamacare raised the cost of out of pocket healthcare cost for every single American save the poorest. Immediately after Obamacare - premiums went up, deductibles went up and now many-many plans are now 70/30 or even 60/40. (Which should be illegal)

The Supreme Court kicked abortion down to the local level. That meant local and state elections now were significant
Republicans like Graham pushed for a nationwide ban on abortions.

Democrats ran on it and young voters flocked to the polls