Democrats are now party of the rich

[otto105]

Seems that the tea left.

Too old to think critically.

 

[initforme]

That's on you. I live in a red state/area with lower taxes(still too high) and a lower cost of living all with lower crime rates. You couldn't pay me twice that to live in and around a big blue city or state.

The red blue thing is of zero importance to me. I reside where I want due to climate. The older I've gotten the more I like snow, and cold.

 

[Mac1958]

"The Rich" play both sides as opportunities present themselves.

Being pragmatic is part of what made them "The Rich" in the first place.

 

[sealybobo]

I understand it completely. What Bernie saying is that SOME people pay more into SD on money they will never get back, unless they are raising the benefit as well, which they aren't. This would affect me and my family.

You are one of those that isn't affected so doesn't bother themselves with the details.

Bottom line is it's the Republicans who argue for people who make over $250K to not pay any more of their income into social security. Democrats want the rich to pay more. Republicans are the party for the rich.

Whoever started this thread is just trying to dupe over low information poor voters into voting Republican. Haven't you figured this out yet?

Remember I've posted in the past that from 1978 to now CEO pay in the fortune 500 companies went up 1322%. In the same time workers pay only went up 18%. YOU Republicans defend these CEO's and their pay. Clearly, Republicans are the party for the rich.

In every aspect. And yet still you guys argue you aren't. Huh.

 

[initforme]

True. Democrats prefer to limp them all into one basic and use income levels as a reference to success wothout taking into account cost of living. To them, a Republican engineer making 200k in a rural area of a red state is the same as a Democrat garbage collector in NYC making the same with a much higher cost of living, thus a much lower standard of living. This phenomenon boosts the average Democrat's income, but doesn't speak to their level of success relative to many Republicans.

Thats really condescending of the garbage collectors. If they skipped picking up your garbage for a month I bet you'd complain.

 

[sealybobo]

"The Rich" play both sides as opportunities present themselves.

Being pragmatic is part of what made them "The Rich" in the first place.

Yes and being as how you know that, then you understand that a rich guy might donate $30,000 to the Democrats but know this. He donates 10 times more to the Republicans.

And Republicans/Conservative Supreme Courts approved of dark money. Not being able to trace where the money came from. And they approve of corporations participating in our government. I mean after all, since labor can, so too should greedy corporations who only care about profits. They you guys argue, should have the same rights as people have.

It's so freakin obvious.

 

[otto105]

The red blue thing is of zero importance to me. I reside where I want due to climate. The older I've gotten the more I like snow, and cold.

Dude, the more that I have aged, the more I love the change of seasons.

 

[SweetTea]

Thats really condescending of the garbage collectors. If they skipped picking up your garbage for a month I bet you'd complain.

I am not being condescending, just pointing out that income only doesn’t reflect success. For example, two engineers, one with 20 years experience and more workplace accomplishments living in my area and one with 5 years of experience living in NYC may make the same salary due to cost of living. The engineer with 20 years experience could move to NYC and make far more money, but doesn’t want to live there and decrease his standard of living/quality of life, despite the significant pay increase.

When we speak of incomes among Democrats and Republicans, this is rarely taken into account, but even still, as income increases as does the likelihood of being Republican. If we used real wages instead of straight income, Republicans would be far ahead of Democrats in terms of economic success. Granted, this dynamic is changing somewhat due to work from “home” where many Democrats are taking their NYC salaries and moving to places where the cost of living is lower, thus significantly increasing their real wages. Many of these people still haven’t figured out that if they continue to vote the same way they did when in NYC, they will be forced to move again to escape the very policies they continue to vote for. Around and around they go.

 

[SweetTea]

Rich liberals are people who were liberal before they got rich. Made their own money, feel extremely lucky and don't mind paying taxes to fund social programs.

Is that why they supported Trump’s 10k cap on the SALT deduction? Oh wait, they were all up in arms about that. So much for them paying their “fair share”. They want someone else(the upper middle class and lower upper classes) to pay for everything.

 

[sealybobo]

Is that why they supported Trump’s 10k cap on the SALT deduction? Oh wait, they were all up in arms about that. So much for them paying their “fair share”. They want someone else(the upper middle class and lower upper classes) to pay for everything.

Who is "they"?

AI makes it a lot harder to pretend to be stupid.

Most Democrats oppose the $10,000 cap on state and local tax (SALT) deductions. They argue it disproportionately harms middle-class families in high-tax states like New York, California, and New Jersey. However, there is no universal consensus on how to replace it, as progressive and moderate members often debate the best approach

 

[sealybobo]

To Marxists 100k is upper middle class and a target

No the number is $250K. We want people who make over that to keep paying social security tax on the money above and beyond the $250k. So if a guy makes $1 million a year he pays social security on all of it not just the first $250k. Nothing Marxist about that.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said it best: “Call it democracy or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God’s children.”

 

[Lockback]

No the number is $250K. We want people who make over that to keep paying social security tax on the money above and beyond the $250k. So if a guy makes $1 million a year he pays social security on all of it not just the first $250k. Nothing Marxist about that.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said it best: “Call it democracy or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God’s children.”

You're a complete Communist.

 

[sealybobo]

The Biden fund raiser in New York raised 25 million dollars for Joe Biden's campaign. Ther is no doubt that Biden has turned his back on middle class Americans.

Democrats being party of the rich could cost them 2024 election

A growing body of research shows wealthier Americans flocking to the Democratic Party. The working class, meanwhile, has been forgotten.

www.newsweek.com

You're a complete Communist.

You don't know what the word means dummy.

 

[otto105]

You're a complete Communist.

Define communist fruit loop boy.

 

[initforme]

You're a complete Communist.

Yep. Let's face facts. The hard working masses are always going to be working masses poor for the most part.

 

[sealybobo]

Yep. Let's face facts. The hard working masses are always going to be working masses poor for the most part.

But what about when America was great? We had the strongest, biggest and best middle class the world had NEVER seen before. The New Deal. Unions. High wages. Everyone was doing great.

Then around 1978 the rich waged war on us with the help of Republicans. And ever since then, our wages have stalled.

In the same time 1978 to now CEO pay at the fortune 500's went up 1322% while workers wages went up only 18%.

Something is not right with our ISM. It was working better before. It's still the best ISM. I'm not suggesting we go with Communism like ass hat thinks. I just want to fix what Republicans have broken.

a. Roll back the Reagan, Bush and Trump tax breaks. ALL of them.

b. DOGE Trump. I guarantee you him and his crew have wasted more money than they saved through DOGE. Trump's plane alone is costing us $1 billion. His ballroom, $1 billion. How much has DOGE saved us? Nothing. And any savings they did find went to tax breaks for billionaires.

 

[SweetTea]

No the number is $250K. We want people who make over that to keep paying social security tax on the money above and beyond the $250k. So if a guy makes $1 million a year he pays social security on all of it not just the first $250k. Nothing Marxist about that.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said it best: “Call it democracy or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God’s children.”

You mean pay more into SS and not get it back? That is just a good ole' fashioned tax hike. Democrats that don't have to pay that tax are all in favor. Go figure.

 

[sealybobo]

You mean pay more into SS and not get it back? That is just a good ole' fashioned tax hike. Democrats that don't have to pay that tax are all in favor. Go figure.

Yea a tax hike on rich people. And as a Republican you are proving you are the party of the rich. You don't like this idea huh? Of course you don't. You're the party of the rich.

How about this? Would the party of the rich do this? The GOP were so against giving poor people more money. They cried abou the debt. But charge them $1 billion to fix up a plane some arab country gave him as a gift, no problem. Start a long costly war? No problem. Kristi Noem wants to spend $210 million on commercials? No problem. Billion dollar ballroom? No problem. Tax breaks to the rich and cut medicaid? Only the part of the rich would do that.

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[sealybobo]

You mean pay more into SS and not get it back? That is just a good ole' fashioned tax hike. Democrats that don't have to pay that tax are all in favor. Go figure.

Yes, the rich need to pay more taxes.

And that means Elon becoming a trillionaire is a huge policy failure.

"Every billionaire is a policy failure" is a political slogan and critique arguing that extreme wealth accumulation indicates fundamental flaws in tax structures, labor laws, and social safety nets, rather than just individual merit.

The rich bribe out politicians to pass laws that favor them and don't work for the country. Massive fortunes are generated alongside rising poverty and a cost-of-living crisis, pointing to an economy that fails to distribute resources fairly

Taxation & Loopholes: The argument posits that the super-rich often pay disproportionately lower effective tax rates than average workers due to wealth being tied up in unrealized gains and other tax loopholes. [1, 2]

You will call it raising their taxes but that's what you guys do. You lower their taxes too much then cry when we suggest doing away with those tax breaks you should have never given them in the first place

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts | Common Dreams

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www.commondreams.org

The numbers "1978" and "1,322%" refer to the dramatic surge in CEO compensation over the last several decades compared to stagnant worker wages.
According to data tracked by the Economic Policy Institute, realized compensation for top CEOs increased by 1,322% between 1978 and recent years.
Here are the key takeaways from this economic data:

• Stagnant Wages: In that same period, compensation for a typical, average worker increased by just around 18% when adjusted for inflation.
• Exploding Ratio: In 1978, CEOs were typically paid about 31 times more than their average workers. That ratio has grown to roughly 350 to 400 times more in recent years.

 

[otto105]

You mean pay more into SS and not get it back? That is just a good ole' fashioned tax hike. Democrats that don't have to pay that tax are all in favor. Go figure.

Who doesn’t pay the SS tax pea?