Democratic Socialism/Communism is the only solution to advanced automation & artificial intelligence.

[dblack]

Democracy "enthusiasts" seem to imagine a world where the minority is their perpetual victim. They don't seem to think much about sovereignty, about the implied consent required for that scheme to work. In other words, majority rule doesn't work if the minority refuses to play along.

 

[Oddball]

Government is whatever we the people want it to be....

Yes, "we the people" are so very fond of tanks running them over, when they demand accountability from their gubmint.

 

[TruthNotBS]

No I don't....You're a fucking buffoon whose ideology is a massive run-on contradiction.

You insist upon the intellectual fraudulence of conflating laissez-faire with corporatism.

You're idiotic enough to believe that the violent and oppressive nature of The State can be put in check, just because it presumably does everything in the name of "the people".

You dishonestly call nations that have market economies (albeit heavily burdened by massive welfare state apparati) as "socialist".

The things I've touched on are only a couple of the most glaring contradictions in reasoning that your Marxist claptrap is rife with....You're not only nothing new, you're tiresome and banal as fuck.

Oddball, your tirade is as amusing as it is predictable.

Pretending that capitalists are innocent bystanders while the government is solely to blame for cronyism, is laughable. It’s like blaming the knife for the stabbing while absolving the person wielding it.​

The Violent and Oppressive Nature of the State​

You claim the state is inherently violent and oppressive, yet conveniently ignore how capitalists use state power to their advantage. Corporations lobby for regulations that benefit them, secure subsidies, and even push for military interventions to protect their interests abroad. It’s capitalism that weaponizes the state, not the other way around. The real contradiction is claiming capitalism promotes freedom while it subjugates democratic governments and social institutions to corporate will.

Democratic Socialism and Market Economies​

Western European, democratic socialism seeks to balance the efficiency of markets with the fairness of social welfare. Countries like Denmark and Sweden show that you can have robust social programs and still maintain a thriving economy. Socialism allows markets, while in the process of fully socializing and democratizing production (i.e. communism), however, they must serve the public good.

US Conservatives and "Commie!" Shouting​

Right-wing Republican conservatives in the US often shout "commie!" whenever Democrats advocate for government social programs like Universal Medicare, tuition-free college, or a full-employment guarantee. When we point out that these policies are considered normal in most of the modern, industrialized world, these same conservatives conveniently claim that those countries aren't commie or socialist. It's only "commie" here in the US but not in countries where such policies are standard. They want their cake and eat it too. It's communist here in America, it's not communist over there in Western Europe or China..etc.

Cronyism and Capitalism​

Cronyism is not a bug in the system; it's a feature. The revolving door between big business and government, the influence of money in politics, and the way policies are crafted to benefit the wealthy are all hallmarks of capitalism. Suggesting that capitalists hold no responsibility for this is as credible as saying foxes hold no responsibility for raiding henhouses.

Markets and Money in the Transition to Communism​

As communists, we understand that markets and money can be part of the process to full communism. Marx himself acknowledged that socialism, which uses markets and money, is a transitional phase leading to communism. This phase can utilize existing economic structures to achieve a more equitable society.

Intellectual Fraudulence and Contradictions​

Accusing me of intellectual fraudulence while defending a system rife with exploitation and inequality is rich. You claim to champion freedom, yet capitalism has historically used slavery, colonialism, and wage exploitation to build wealth. The contradictions in your reasoning are glaring. You can call it what you want, but the historical and ongoing reality of capitalism speaks for itself.

Conclusion​

So, while you hurl insults and stomp your feet, the reality remains: cronyism is endemic to capitalism, democratic socialism can and does work, and the state’s oppressive nature is often a tool of capitalist interests. Your bluster might be entertaining, but it does little to disguise the fundamental flaws in your arguments. Next time, try bringing more substance and less vitriol.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Yes, "we the people" are so very fond of tanks running them over, when they demand accountability from their gubmint.

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You have no moral high ground, upon which to stand and point your crooked, feculent finger at communists when it comes to death toll arguments or violence. The mountain of dead rotting corpses under the filthy, stinky feet of capitalism, nullifies your effort to demonize communism. Try your crocodile tears on someone else.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I refused to join that rat race and set out on my own 35 years ago. Socialism precludes people like me from having freedom to do what I want.

For the vast majority of people, under capitalism, they're forced by necessity and circumstance, to sell their labor power/lives to a capitalist. In socialism, there are also opportunities for someone like yourself, to start a business within the consumer goods sector of the economy. Socialism allows markets, provided they're properly regulated, and serve the public good. Eventually, technology eliminates the market and forces society by necessity, to adopt a non-profit, marketless system of mass production. That can only happen with advanced technology (advanced automation).

 

[Oddball]

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You have no moral high ground, upon which to stand and point your crooked, feculent finger at communists when it comes to death toll arguments or violence. The mountain of dead rotting corpses under the filthy, stinky feet of capitalism, nullifies your effort to demonize communism. Try your crocodile tears on someone else.

We all know the horrendously ghastly body count of you reds scum...So GFY.

 

[Oddball]

Oddball, your tirade is as amusing as it is predictable.

Pretending that capitalists are innocent bystanders while the government is solely to blame for cronyism, is laughable. It’s like blaming the knife for the stabbing while absolving the person wielding it.​

The Violent and Oppressive Nature of the State​

You claim the state is inherently violent and oppressive, yet conveniently ignore how capitalists use state power to their advantage. Corporations lobby for regulations that benefit them, secure subsidies, and even push for military interventions to protect their interests abroad. It’s capitalism that weaponizes the state, not the other way around. The real contradiction is claiming capitalism promotes freedom while it subjugates democratic governments and social institutions to corporate will.

Democratic Socialism and Market Economies​

Western European, democratic socialism seeks to balance the efficiency of markets with the fairness of social welfare. Countries like Denmark and Sweden show that you can have robust social programs and still maintain a thriving economy. Socialism allows markets, while in the process of fully socializing and democratizing production (i.e. communism), however, they must serve the public good.

US Conservatives and "Commie!" Shouting​

Right-wing Republican conservatives in the US often shout "commie!" whenever Democrats advocate for government social programs like Universal Medicare, tuition-free college, or a full-employment guarantee. When we point out that these policies are considered normal in most of the modern, industrialized world, these same conservatives conveniently claim that those countries aren't commie or socialist. It's only "commie" here in the US but not in countries where such policies are standard. They want their cake and eat it too. It's communist here in America, it's not communist over there in Western Europe or China..etc.

Cronyism and Capitalism​

Cronyism is not a bug in the system; it's a feature. The revolving door between big business and government, the influence of money in politics, and the way policies are crafted to benefit the wealthy are all hallmarks of capitalism. Suggesting that capitalists hold no responsibility for this is as credible as saying foxes hold no responsibility for raiding henhouses.

Markets and Money in the Transition to Communism​

As communists, we understand that markets and money can be part of the process to full communism. Marx himself acknowledged that socialism, which uses markets and money, is a transitional phase leading to communism. This phase can utilize existing economic structures to achieve a more equitable society.

Intellectual Fraudulence and Contradictions​

Accusing me of intellectual fraudulence while defending a system rife with exploitation and inequality is rich. You claim to champion freedom, yet capitalism has historically used slavery, colonialism, and wage exploitation to build wealth. The contradictions in your reasoning are glaring. You can call it what you want, but the historical and ongoing reality of capitalism speaks for itself.

Conclusion​

So, while you hurl insults and stomp your feet, the reality remains: cronyism is endemic to capitalism, democratic socialism can and does work, and the state’s oppressive nature is often a tool of capitalist interests. Your bluster might be entertaining, but it does little to disguise the fundamental flaws in your arguments. Next time, try bringing more substance and less vitriol.

More predictable intellectually fraudulent pap from and intellectually fraudulent pap machine.

The State is STILL the one with the monopoly on the proactive use of aggression...That monopoly is not rendered benign because you're a fucking Marxist, cynically operating under the disingenuous rubric of "the people"....In fact, that abuse of State aggression is responsible for the greatest mass murder in human history.

You can wave your lying red asshole finger at anyone and everyone else, but you cannot make the scores of millions of murdered people go away.

 

[TruthNotBS]

It's working great throughout the world right now. Practically all of Europe is socialist. If you don't believe me ask your right-wing Republican buddies who constantly shout "COMMIE! COMMIE!" when a Democrat progressive advocates for Universal Healthcare/Medicare or tuition free college. These right-wing conservatives lose their minds, they get triggered and start shouting "SOCIALISM! COMMIE!". Those policies that are "commie" according to American conservative politicians and their bootlicking constituents are considered normal, SOP i.e. Standard Operating Procedure, in Europe.

Lift the sanctions from countries like Cuba, and other socialist nations, or you have no argument.

 

[TruthNotBS]

We all know the horrendously ghastly body count of you reds scum...So GFY.

 

[Oddball]

 

[TruthNotBS]

More predictable intellectually fraudulent pap from and intellectually fraudulent pap machine.

The State is STILL the one with the monopoly on the proactive use of aggression...That monopoly is not rendered benign because you're a fucking Marxist, cynically operating under the disingenuous rubric of "the people"....In fact, that abuse of State aggression is responsible for the greatest mass murder in human history.

You can wave your lying red asshole finger at anyone and everyone else, but you cannot make the scores of millions of murdered people go away.

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Monopoly on Aggression​

You claim that the state, with its monopoly on aggression, is inherently oppressive, especially under Marxist ideologies. Yet, you conveniently ignore how capitalist states have used their power to commit atrocities and suppress dissent. Capitalist governments have consistently used military force and state violence to maintain their dominance and protect corporate interests.

Mass Murders Under Capitalism​

Let's talk about the real death tolls of capitalist imperialism and colonialism:

1. British Colonialism in India: The British Empire's policies caused massive famines in India. The Bengal Famine of 1943 alone resulted in the deaths of around 3 million people due to the British war-time policies of exporting food supplies from India to Britain .
2. Opium Wars: The British Empire enforced opium trade in China, leading to widespread addiction and social decay, resulting in millions of deaths and suffering .
3. African Slave Trade: Driven by capitalist profit motives, the transatlantic slave trade led to the deaths of millions of Africans and the destruction of entire societies .
4. Vietnam War: The US intervention in Vietnam, driven by economic and anti-communist motivations, resulted in over 2 million Vietnamese deaths and immense suffering .
5. Iraq War: The 2003 invasion of Iraq, heavily influenced by corporate interests in oil, led to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and widespread destruction .

The Military-Industrial Complex​

The book War Is A Racket by General Smedley Butler, a highly decorated Marine, exposes how American companies push the government into wars because they profit from them. The military-industrial complex ensures perpetual conflict for corporate gain at the expense of millions of innocent lives .

Death Toll Comparisons​

The death tolls attributed to communist regimes are often exaggerated and lack context. Many of these figures include deaths from civil wars, famines exacerbated by external pressures, and other complex factors. Meanwhile, the capitalist atrocities I mentioned are well-documented and directly result from policies driven by profit motives and imperialist ambitions.

Conclusion​

Your attempt to pin the greatest mass murders in history solely on communism is a gross oversimplification and distortion of historical facts. Capitalism has its own bloody legacy, marked by genocide, slavery, colonial exploitation, and war profiteering. Waving the red scare flag won't change these truths. If you want to have a meaningful debate, start by acknowledging the atrocities committed in the name of capitalism.

References:

1. BBC - The Bengal Famine
2. History.com - The Opium Wars
3. Smithsonian Magazine - The Transatlantic Slave Trade
4. Encyclopedia Britannica - Vietnam War
5. Brown University - Costs of War: Iraqi Civilians
6. War is a Racket - Full Text

 

[TruthNotBS]

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[two_iron]

Awful easy to be a communist fuck in a free country....

I like those concrete rabbit hutches. I lived in several of them in Russia.

 

[Mac-7]

I am no commie. I have done well in our capitalist society.

But the facts say there will be a change.

The population is growing. More and more people are entering the workforce.

The number of jobs, if growing at all, is growing incrementally.

There will be a point in which there are hundreds of thousands of people without work.

We will either come up with a way to feed and house them, or there will be a bloody revolution.

There will be a point in which there are hundreds of thousands of people without work.

So do you support building the wall, ending the asylum program, and deporting illegals?

If not, you should

 

[WinterBorn]

There will be a point in which there are hundreds of thousands of people without work.

So do you support building the wall, ending the asylum program, and deporting illegals?

If not, you should

I support controlling our border by the most efficient means possible.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Awful easy to be a communist fuck in a free country....

I like those concrete rabbit hutches. I lived in several of them in Russia.

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Lift the sanctions, then maybe you'll have an argument.

North Korea:

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USA (My country, all fucked up):

Is that a fair assessment? I'm just being an asshole, like you. Returning the assholeness, right back to you.
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I'm here in "free America" (the plutocracy, police state, where no one can afford to live unless they work two jobs), because I was born and raised here. My political activism is here, not somewhere else. Duh.

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[TruthNotBS]

There will be a point in which there are hundreds of thousands of people without work.

So do you support building the wall, ending the asylum program, and deporting illegals?

If not, you should

Yes, deport them all and build the wall. The US can't provide all of Latin America with social services. The resources of the US, are the commonwealth of the American people, not Nicaraguans or Venezuelans. However, we should also lift all economic sanctions from those countries and allow them to develop. The American capitalist ruling class loves their cheap labor and controlling the resources and politics of those countries. Stop tinkering, and meddling in the internal affairs of those Latin American countries and let them develop, that way their people will stay over there, and won't come here. It's that simple.

 

[TruthNotBS]

"Governmentments have to do something"..The market won't solve the problem it's the government. Amazing.​

 

[GWV5903]

I'm not debating him, I'm debating you.

Who said you were debating Friedman? I provided 2 videos, you took off on this tangent claiming he was irrelevant.

Why can't you point out how he would "slice me up"?

Free enterprise, privatization, freedom to choose, rewarding individual accomplishments, etc.
I doubt you have the knowledge to last more than a few minutes.

Karl Marx

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Friedrich Engels

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Vladimir Lenin

Communist

All of that said. I repeat I'm not here debating Friedman

You don't have to convince me, maybe you should look in the mirror, obviously Friedman was a staunch advocate for Capitalism and that is why I introduced him to our little debate. The mentioning of Friedman clearly gets under your skin.

I'm debating YOU

How many times are you going to say this? You clearly need to look in the mirror...

It's that simple. You don't do that because you're lazy and stupid.

Oh I have a very clear and simple answer to your rhetoric about Socialism, you have a problem comprehending its a failure after failure after failure.

I have the facts that support my position

Keep telling yourself society wants to give up individual freedoms, with a very limited democratic electoral process, good luck with that...

that's all I and you need, not a resume or a bio.

Sounds like you're just a keyboard commando then, social introvert, maybe a product of academia?

As far as socialism "failing", that's ridiculous.

Well history doesn't agree with you, society doesn't agree with you, freedom will never agree with you!

You don't know what socialism is and you don't want to know because you're not really interested in the truth. You're just here spewing your ignorance.

Remember its your truth, which has very little in common with The Truth, it sounds like you're afraid of work...

You're confused as to where money comes from. It doesn't come from capitalists or markets, it comes from a government authority that prints the money and demands taxes under threat of criminal prosecution or asset forfeiture.

There's no confusion on my part, the US Constitution begins with "We the People", Our Treasury prints our currency. We pay taxes to fund Our Government from a Capitalist Economy.

Latin America - The "Chicago Boys" in Chile​

Case: Chile under Pinochet (1973-1990)

• Implementation: Following the military coup in 1973, Chile adopted a series of radical free-market policies under the guidance of a group of economists known as the "Chicago Boys," who were heavily influenced by Milton Friedman.
• Policies: These included widespread privatization, deregulation, and drastic cuts to public spending.
• Consequences:
  
  • Economic Inequality: The gap between the rich and poor widened dramatically. While some sectors of the economy grew, the benefits were concentrated among the wealthy elite, leaving large portions of the population in poverty.
  • Social Unrest: The reduction in public services and social safety nets led to widespread social discontent and protests.
  • Economic Volatility: The laissez-faire policies contributed to significant economic instability, with frequent recessions and financial crises.

Your opinion and facts don't match very well, but you struggle with facts...
Miracle of Chile - Wikipedia

Russia - Post-Soviet Shock Therapy​

Case: Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union (1990s)

• Implementation: Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia implemented "shock therapy" economic reforms. These were influenced by free-market principles, including rapid privatization, deregulation, and austerity measures.
• Consequences:
  
  • Economic Collapse: The sudden shift to a market economy led to a severe economic depression, with GDP falling by around 40% from 1990 to 1995.
  • Poverty and Inequality: A large portion of the population was plunged into poverty, and income inequality soared as a small group of oligarchs gained control over the country's resources.
  • Social Crisis: The abrupt removal of state controls and support systems resulted in widespread unemployment, a collapse in public health, and a sharp decline in life expectancy.
• Putin's more socialist, government-regulated economics, saved Russia.

Putin saved Russia? They are stuck between their former Communist regime and their little toe dipping into Socialism, what is it they provide the global economy?

United States - Deregulation and the Financial Crisis​

Case: The Financial Crisis of 2007-2008

• Implementation: In the years leading up to the crisis, there was significant deregulation of the financial industry. Key policies included the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999 and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which deregulated derivatives trading.
• Consequences:
  
  • Housing Bubble: The lack of regulation allowed risky mortgage lending practices to proliferate, leading to a housing bubble.
  • Financial Collapse: When the bubble burst, it triggered a global financial crisis, leading to massive bailouts for banks and financial institutions while millions of Americans lost their homes and jobs.
  • Economic Inequality: The recovery from the crisis was slow and uneven, with the wealthy recovering quickly while the middle and lower classes continued to suffer from high unemployment and stagnant wages.

The reversal of Glass - Stegall was a disaster, that responsibility was shared by both of our political parties, to suggest it would be better under a Socialist government is stupid.

China - Contrasting Success of Central Planning​

Case: China's Economic Growth Post-1978

• Implementation: While China introduced market reforms after 1978, it maintained significant state control over key industries and employed strategic central planning.
• Contrasts with Friedman's Views: Milton Friedman criticized China's approach, arguing for more extensive privatization and deregulation.
• Outcomes:
  
  • Rapid Growth: China's blend of state control and market reforms led to unprecedented economic growth, lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty.
  • Resilience: The government’s ability to intervene in the economy allowed it to effectively manage economic crises and ensure stable, long-term growth.
  • Infrastructure Development: Central planning facilitated massive investments in infrastructure, education, and technology, contributing to China's rise as a global economic power.

China can barely feed its population, they pimp out their citizens to Capitalist corporations, you need to do some better research.

Here is the other speakers that were edited out of your video...



The English are our allies, but we believe in a much different structure. Their Socialist structure struggles, don't even try to use their failures to justify Socialism.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Who said you were debating Friedman? I provided 2 videos, you took off on this tangent claiming he was a irrelevant.

Free enterprise, privatization, freedom to choose, rewarding individual accomplishments, etc.
I doubt you have the knowledge to last more than a few minutes.

Communist

Communist

Communist

You don't have to convince me, maybe you should look in the mirror, obviously Friedman was a staunch advocate for Capitalism and that is why I introduced him to our little debate. The mentioning of Friedman clearly gets under your skin.

How many times are you going to say this? You clearly need to look in the mirror...

Oh I have a very clear and simple answer to your rhetoric about Socialism, you have a problem comprehending its a failure after failure after failure.

Keep telling yourself society wants to give up individual freedoms, with a very limited democratic electoral process, good luck with that...

Sounds like you're just a keyboard commando then, social introvert, maybe a product of academia?

Well history doesn't agree with you, society doesn't agree with you, freedom will never agree with you!

Remember its your truth, which has very little in common with The Truth, it sounds like you're afraid of work...

There's no confusion on my part, the US Constitution begins with "We the People", Our Treasury prints our currency. We pay taxes to fund Our Government from a Capitalist Economy.

Your opinion and facts don't match very well, but you struggle with facts...
Miracle of Chile - Wikipedia

Putin saved Russia? They are stuck between their former Communist regime and their little toe dipping into Socialism, what is it they provide the global economy?

The reversal of Glass - Stegall was a disaster, that responsibility was shared by both of our political parties, to suggest it would be better under a Socialist government is stupid.

China can barely feed its population, they pimp out their citizens to Capitalist corporations, you need to do some better research.

Here is the other speakers that were edited out of your video...



The English are our allies, but we believe in a much different structure. Their Socialist structure struggles, don't even try to use their failures to justify Socialism.

Remember its your truth, which has very little in common with The Truth, it sounds like you're afraid of work...

It's you capitalist parasites who are afraid of work. You rely on the labor of others.

Who said you were debating Friedman? I provided 2 videos, you took off on this tangent claiming he was a irrelevant.

You're the one given to irrelevant gobbledygook 'tangents". Friedman was a fringe right-wing neoliberal, Austrian school economist, whose ideas when applied failed miserably. Neoliberal market economics a.k.a. laissez faire capitalism is trash. It leads to gross inequality and economic collapse, requiring governments to bail out capitalists with public funds.

Free enterprise, privatization, freedom to choose, rewarding individual accomplishments, etc.

Capitalism is often romanticized as "free enterprise, privatization, freedom to choose, and rewarding individual accomplishments," but in reality, it operates as a system of plutocracy, wage slavery, and privilege. Many people are born into wealth, and it's not about merit or working hard to earn millions or billions. The working class, which works the hardest, is the poorest. So it's not about working hard and becoming rich. You can work hard your whole life and remain poor, while someone who doesn't work, born into wealth, lives off other people's labor like a parasite.

Aspiring to become a capitalist exploiter of other people's labor, isn't a noble aspiration. Capitalists live off other people's hard work, by paying them less than what they produce to make a profit. Rather than promoting freedom, capitalism centralizes the ownership of resources and wealth in the hands of a few wealthy folks, stripping the common people of their control over their country's assets. The commonwealth of the nation is exploited for private gain, benefiting the wealthy at the expense of the public.

Capitalism privatizes its gains and makes public its losses. Capitalism has its boom and bust cycles, forcing the government to intervene every few years to bail it out with public funds. Without government bailouts the nation's economy would collapse, ruining tens of millions of lives, perhaps even starting a civil war. This capitalist system perpetuates economic inequality and creates a cycle where the rich get richer, and the poor remain poor and desperate for a job, relying on capitalists to exploit them for a wage.

Moreover, capitalism is intrinsically linked to imperialism and war. The military-industrial complex drives governments to engage in conflicts to sustain the profits of arms manufacturers and defense contractors. This profit-driven warfare not only results in loss of lives but also diverts resources away from social welfare and public services.

Capitalism also undermines democracy by allowing corporate interests to dominate political processes, reducing the power of ordinary citizens. In the workplace, it imposes a dictatorship where workers have little control over their conditions, treated merely as commodities in a labor market designed for maximum exploitation. Thus, capitalism, far from being a beacon of freedom and opportunity, often results in profound social and economic injustices.

I doubt you have the knowledge to last more than a few minutes.

I'm debating you shithead, not Friedman, so your constant appeal to Friednman's supposed greatness and my alleged inferiority is stupid.

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Communist



Communist



You don't have to convince me, maybe you should look in the mirror, obviously Friedman was a staunch advocate for Capitalism and that is why I introduced him to our little debate. The mentioning of Friedman clearly gets under your skin.



How many times are you going to say this? You clearly need to look in the mirror...



Oh I have a very clear and simple answer to your rhetoric about Socialism, you have a problem comprehending its a failure after failure after failure.



Keep telling yourself society wants to give up individual freedoms, with a very limited democratic electoral process, good luck with that...



Sounds like you're just a keyboard commando then, social introvert, maybe a product of academia?



Well history doesn't agree with you, society doesn't agree with you, freedom will never agree with you!



Remember its your truth, which has very little in common with The Truth, it sounds like you're afraid of work...



There's no confusion on my part, the US Constitution begins with "We the People", Our Treasury prints our currency. We pay taxes to fund Our Government from a Capitalist Economy.



Your opinion and facts don't match very well, but you struggle with facts...

Miracle of Chile - Wikipedia



Putin saved Russia? They are stuck between their former Communist regime and their little toe dipping into Socialism, what is it they provide the global economy?



The reversal of Glass - Stegall was a disaster, that responsibility was shared by both of our political parties, to suggest it would be better under a Socialist government is stupid.



China can barely feed its population, they pimp out their citizens to Capitalist corporations, you need to do some better research.



Here is the other speakers that were edited out of your video...







The English are our allies, but we believe in a much different structure. Their Socialist structure struggles, don't even try to use their failures to justify Socialism.

The rest of your post is trash, and not even worth addressing.

Be specific as to what facts I presented that you believe are wrong. Links to articles and embedded videos, should never replace written arguments, they only serve to supplement and support them. That's what I do when I provide a link source or embed a video, it's only to support the points and propositions that I'm making.

When I debate someone (even an ignorant asshole like you), all of my points, propositions, and objections, are clearly presented on the table and my opponent is able to identify those claims and challenge them. I identify, affirm, and defend a position allowing you to debunk it. I just don't fire links at you and embed videos, in response to what you say. That's pathetic and that's what you're doing.