Democratic Socialism/Communism is the only solution to advanced automation & artificial intelligence.

[GWV5903]

It's you capitalist parasites who are afraid of work. You rely on the labor of others.



You're the one given to irrelevant gobbledygook 'tangents". Friedman was a fringe right-wing neoliberal, Austrian school economist, whose ideas when applied failed miserably. Neoliberal market economics a.k.a. laissez faire capitalism is trash. It leads to gross inequality and economic collapse, requiring governments to bail out capitalists with public funds.



Capitalism is often romanticized as "free enterprise, privatization, freedom to choose, and rewarding individual accomplishments," but in reality, it operates as a system of plutocracy, wage slavery, and privilege. Many people are born into wealth, and it's not about merit or working hard to earn millions or billions. The working class, which works the hardest, is the poorest. So it's not about working hard and becoming rich. You can work hard your whole life and remain poor, while someone who doesn't work, born into wealth, lives off other people's labor like a parasite.

Aspiring to become a capitalist exploiter of other people's labor, isn't a noble aspiration. Capitalists live off other people's hard work, by paying them less than what they produce to make a profit. Rather than promoting freedom, capitalism centralizes the ownership of resources and wealth in the hands of a few wealthy folks, stripping the common people of their control over their country's assets. The commonwealth of the nation is exploited for private gain, benefiting the wealthy at the expense of the public.

Capitalism privatizes its gains and makes public its losses. Capitalism has its boom and bust cycles, forcing the government to intervene every few years to bail it out with public funds. Without government bailouts the nation's economy would collapse, ruining tens of millions of lives, perhaps even starting a civil war. This capitalist system perpetuates economic inequality and creates a cycle where the rich get richer, and the poor remain poor and desperate for a job, relying on capitalists to exploit them for a wage.

Moreover, capitalism is intrinsically linked to imperialism and war. The military-industrial complex drives governments to engage in conflicts to sustain the profits of arms manufacturers and defense contractors. This profit-driven warfare not only results in loss of lives but also diverts resources away from social welfare and public services.

Capitalism also undermines democracy by allowing corporate interests to dominate political processes, reducing the power of ordinary citizens. In the workplace, it imposes a dictatorship where workers have little control over their conditions, treated merely as commodities in a labor market designed for maximum exploitation. Thus, capitalism, far from being a beacon of freedom and opportunity, often results in profound social and economic injustices.




I'm debating you shithead, not Friedman, so your constant appeal to Friednman's supposed greatness and my alleged inferiority is stupid.



The rest of your post is trash, and not even worth addressing.

Be specific as to what facts I presented that you believe are wrong. Links to articles and embedded videos, should never replace written arguments, they only serve to supplement and support them. That's what I do when I provide a link source or embed a video, it's only to support the points and propositions that I'm making.

When I debate someone (even an ignorant asshole like you), all of my points, propositions, and objections, are clearly presented on the table and my opponent is able to identify those claims and challenge them. I identify, affirm, and defend a position allowing you to debunk it. I just don't fire links at you and embed videos, in response to what you say. That's pathetic and that's what you're doing.

Your desperation is showing…

I used 1 video that shows the other 2 participants in the edited video you claimed Friedman was owned in and 1 link how Chili recovered, you’re a sad little person.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Your desperation is showing…

I used 1 video that shows the other 2 participants in the edited video you claimed Friedman was owned in and 1 link how Chili recovered, you’re a sad little person.

Your video is no less "edited", so you're being ridiculous. You made certain claims in your last post that you failed to elaborate on and just provided a link or a video. You need to address what I said and, refute it with your new facts, which render mine incorrect or unlikely. You didn't do that, you just said "You're wrong, here's a link, read that" or "You're wrong, here's an embedded video". That's your way of debating.

I'm wrong, OK, why am I wrong? Be specific, and explain how I'm wrong, and when you do that, you're committing yourself to a position that I can examine and rebut. I can't do that, because your way of "debating" is by simply saying "You're wrong here's a link", or "Your facts are wrong, here watch Milton Friedman". That's not debating.

 

[Captain Caveman]

 

[TruthNotBS]

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That's an exaggeration. That's like me saying that this is the USA:

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Soviet Housing:




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Many Russians didn't live in those "commie blocks", they lived in houses, in the country. Not all Soviet citizens were urbanites, many lived in small towns, and villages, and had houses. Today in Cuba, despite the poverty due to the economic embargo imposed by the United States, almost all Cubans own their own home or apartment. Here in the US, there are tens of millions of Americans that are working two jobs, and still can't afford to live. 60% of America is living paycheck to paycheck, hand to mouth. And those that aren't, are only a couple of paychecks away from homelessness.

 

[Captain Caveman]

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The best way to describe Socialism is, it's the best system....on paper, in reality, it fails. The placards the people are holding in the crowd should say, "Utopia".

More Right Wing people are capitalists, more Left Wing people are Socialists. To generalise -

Right Wingers want to improve themselves to improve society, to reap what they sow. This creates economic inequality for some.

Left Wingers want others to improve so they can reap what others sow. This creates economic misery for all.

Capitalism gives all equality. You can choose to set up a business, you can choose what products and services to offer to fulfil what people demand, you can choose not to work. The economic inequality part is self inflicted but not on purpose, because you reap what you sow. Some don't sow efficiently or at all because of laziness, bad luck, being thick etc.. I'm self employed, when I sow the money comes in, when I get lazy, I fall back on savings. Why should money be taken off me to give to someone else?

Socialism banks on people being honest, sadly, most humans are anything but honest. I fly to America, become president and put in the welfare system, "$500 per month welfare payments for those that own purple shoes with yellow dots". Tell me if purple and yellow paint sales goes up or down?

 

[TruthNotBS]

The best way to describe Socialism is, it's the best system....on paper, in reality, it fails. The placards the people are holding in the crowd should say, "Utopia".

More Right Wing people are capitalists, more Left Wing people are Socialists. To generalise -

Right Wingers want to improve themselves to improve society, to reap what they sow. This creates economic inequality for some.

Left Wingers want others to improve so they can reap what others sow. This creates economic misery for all.

Capitalism gives all equality. You can choose to set up a business, you can choose what products and services to offer to fulfil what people demand, you can choose not to work. The economic inequality part is self inflicted but not on purpose, because you reap what you sow. Some don't sow efficiently or at all because of laziness, bad luck, being thick etc.. I'm self employed, when I sow the money comes in, when I get lazy, I fall back on savings. Why should money be taken off me to give to someone else?

Socialism banks on people being honest, sadly, most humans are anything but honest. I fly to America, become president and put in the welfare system, "$500 per month welfare payments for those that own purple shoes with yellow dots". Tell me if purple and yellow paint sales goes up or down?

The best way to describe Socialism is, it's the best system....on paper, in reality, it fails.

Both in theory and practice it's the best and it always works incredibly well. The actual reality is that capitalism always fails and needs socialism to bail it out every few years. The right-wing conservative Republicans are always accusing Democrats of being socialists, for proposing policies like Universal Medicare, tuition-free college, labor rights, affordable housing programs, more money for public transit and infrastructure development..etc.

Following the Republican conservative standard of who is a socialist and what is socialism, all of Europe is socialist. The modern industrialized world is mostly socialist because all of those policies that make Republicans shout "Commie!" at the progressive Democrats are commonplace in the industrialized, modern world. It's SOP, Standard Operating Procedure.

The placards the people are holding in the crowd should say, "Utopia".

Why can other countries with less resources than the USA do it, but we supposedly, according to you conservatives, can't? Are you on Medicare? You better not be, because that would be ironic and hypocritical, for you to deny healthcare to others, when the government is providing you with free healthcare.

Even Costa Rica, a third-world country in Central America, offers its citizens full-coverage free healthcare (free at the point of service). The US spends the most on healthcare in the industrialized world, and yet millions of Americans are uninsured and despite spending all of that money, the US doesn't have the best medical outcomes.

Primary preventative care, to prevent people from getting seriously ill, is important for the healthcare system to cut costs. If people receive free primary, and preventative care, going to the doctor for regular checkups once a year, they're healthier and are less likely to suffer a serious illness that's expensive to treat.

More Right Wing people are capitalists, more Left Wing people are Socialists. To generalise - Right Wingers want to improve themselves to improve society, to reap what they sow. This creates economic inequality for some.

Most right-wing conservatives in the United States are brainwashed, working-class people, who are employees of capitalists. They're not capitalists themselves, they're the wage-slaves of capitalists, who have drunk the capitalist kool-aid, defending the interests of the wealthy at their own expense. They undermine their success by serving the capitalist parasites who leech off of their labor.

In this country we have socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. The poor are expected to work hard and earn their keep, picking themselves up by their own bootstraps, whereas the rich capitalists get access to all of the resources of the government:

RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,496,865,703	958
2	Intel	$8,421,707,656	135
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,524,714,800	792
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,823,705,434	460
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
12	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	217
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,543,219,673	265
20	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,364,054,012	7
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
28	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
29	Toyota	$2,071,010,689	239
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Brookfield Corporation	$1,979,408,388	288
32	Paramount Global	$1,974,249,897	342
33	Comcast	$1,927,402,844	405
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,917,119,478	241
35	Samsung Electronics	$1,891,136,597	41
36	Apple Inc.	$1,845,004,670	63
37	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,830,986,253	1,200
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,740,972,699	1,151
41	Energy Transfer	$1,736,836,843	175
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	General Electric	$1,645,135,367	958
45	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
46	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
47	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,563,595,610	64
48	General Atomics	$1,510,875,891	112
49	IBM Corp.	$1,497,901,697	368
50	Lockheed Martin	$1,462,674,082	325
51	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
52	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
53	Corning Inc.	$1,391,603,359	401
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
56	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
57	Northrop Grumman	$1,284,014,883	285
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,193,950,954	797
61	CF Industries	$1,134,394,215	131
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
68	SK Holdings	$960,550,283	8
69	SkyWest	$944,296,654	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	60
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$897,750,089	594
73	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
74	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
75	SK Hynix	$866,700,000	2
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	93
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$798,426,128	956
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$786,835,708	219
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$774,590,441	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$683,066,388	510
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	633
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Eli Lilly	$623,326,368	79
97	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
98	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79

Left Wingers want others to improve so they can reap what others sow. This creates economic misery for all.

That's a perfect description of the wealthy capitalists who you worship. They live off of the hard work of others., because they want to live a life of comfort and recreation. They're the parasites of society, exploiting the working class, and paying people less than what they're producing to make a profit. They're the worthless, unproductive leeches of society, which brainwashed working-class people like you want to become. You aspire to become a lazy parasite like them, no longer working for a living, living off of other's work.

Capitalism gives all equality. You can choose to set up a business, you can choose what products and services to offer to fulfil what people demand, you can choose not to work.

Most people don't have the capital to start a business and the vast majority of businesses fail. So the only people who have the money to start such businesses are those who have the capital to risk. Moreover, mass production, in any industry, whether it's manufacturing or retail sales, is a social endeavor, not a private one. If a business needs human laborers to work it, then that business should be owned collectively by everyone who works in that business. That productive enterprise should be run democratically, not as a dictatorship.

If you start a business and it's just you and your family, then that's different. But if you start hiring others to work in your business, that business should not just be yours anymore, because you're now operating with the assistance of other workers. Without those other people, that business wouldn't function or grow. Private property is any property that can be used to exploit other human beings for a profit. All private property should be abolished and the only property permitted in society should be personal property for personal use.

The economic inequality part is self inflicted but not on purpose, because you reap what you sow.

The inequality is created by capitalists, to keep people desperate for jobs, and willing to work for a lower wage. Wealth accumulates at the top, and doesn't trickle down to the bottom:

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Smart capitalists know that if the inequality is too much, making life miserable for the working class, the economy collapses, so they support government policies that serve the public good, like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, rental assistance..etc, and of course, they pay their employees a living wage. But unfortunately today, most capitalists and the right-wingers who worship them are stupid, so they create extreme hardship for working-class people, driving the economy into the ground or worse, into social unrest and civil war.

Some don't sow efficiently or at all because of laziness, bad luck, being thick etc..

That's a great description of the wealthy capitalist parasites who you worship. They're lazy inefficient and thick-skulled.

I'm self employed, when I sow the money comes in, when I get lazy, I fall back on savings. Why should money be taken off me to give to someone else?

Just being self-employed, doesn't make you a capitalist. I'm also self-employed, and I'm not a capitalist. A capitalist is someone who hires other human beings for a wage, extracting as much value as possible from their labor, for a profit. If you're not doing that, you're not a capitalist.

Socialism banks on people being honest, sadly, most humans are anything but honest.

Socialism doesn't "bank" on people being any more honest than capitalism does. You're now just talking gibberish.

I fly to America, become president and put in the welfare system, "$500 per month welfare payments for those that own purple shoes with yellow dots". Tell me if purple and yellow paint sales goes up or down?

More gibberish.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Both in theory and practice it's the best and it always works incredibly well. The actual reality is that capitalism always fails and needs socialism to bail it out every few years. The right-wing conservative Republicans are always accusing Democrats of being socialists, for proposing policies like Universal Medicare, tuition-free college, labor rights, affordable housing programs, more money for public transit and infrastructure development..etc.

Following the Republican conservative standard of who is a socialist and what is socialism, all of Europe is socialist. The modern industrialized world is mostly socialist because all of those policies that make Republicans shout "Commie!" at the progressive Democrats are commonplace in the industrialized, modern world. It's SOP, Standard Operating Procedure.



Why can other countries with less resources than the USA do it, but we supposedly, according to you conservatives, can't? Are you on Medicare? You better not be, because that would be ironic and hypocritical, for you to deny healthcare to others, when the government is providing you with free healthcare.

Even Costa Rica, a third-world country in Central America, offers its citizens full-coverage free healthcare (free at the point of service). The US spends the most on healthcare in the industrialized world, and yet millions of Americans are uninsured and despite spending all of that money, the US doesn't have the best medical outcomes.

Primary preventative care, to prevent people from getting seriously ill, is important for the healthcare system to cut costs. If people receive free primary, and preventative care, going to the doctor for regular checkups once a year, they're healthier and are less likely to suffer a serious illness that's expensive to treat.



Most right-wing conservatives in the United States are brainwashed, working-class people, who are employees of capitalists. They're not capitalists themselves, they're the wage-slaves of capitalists, who have drunk the capitalist kool-aid, defending the interests of the wealthy at their own expense. They undermine their success by serving the capitalist parasites who leech off of their labor.

In this country we have socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. The poor are expected to work hard and earn their keep, picking themselves up by their own bootstraps, whereas the rich capitalists get access to all of the resources of the government:

RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,496,865,703	958
2	Intel	$8,421,707,656	135
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,524,714,800	792
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,823,705,434	460
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
12	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	217
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,543,219,673	265
20	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,364,054,012	7
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
28	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
29	Toyota	$2,071,010,689	239
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Brookfield Corporation	$1,979,408,388	288
32	Paramount Global	$1,974,249,897	342
33	Comcast	$1,927,402,844	405
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,917,119,478	241
35	Samsung Electronics	$1,891,136,597	41
36	Apple Inc.	$1,845,004,670	63
37	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,830,986,253	1,200
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,740,972,699	1,151
41	Energy Transfer	$1,736,836,843	175
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	General Electric	$1,645,135,367	958
45	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
46	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
47	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,563,595,610	64
48	General Atomics	$1,510,875,891	112
49	IBM Corp.	$1,497,901,697	368
50	Lockheed Martin	$1,462,674,082	325
51	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
52	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
53	Corning Inc.	$1,391,603,359	401
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
56	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
57	Northrop Grumman	$1,284,014,883	285
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,193,950,954	797
61	CF Industries	$1,134,394,215	131
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
68	SK Holdings	$960,550,283	8
69	SkyWest	$944,296,654	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	60
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$897,750,089	594
73	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
74	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
75	SK Hynix	$866,700,000	2
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	93
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$798,426,128	956
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$786,835,708	219
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$774,590,441	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$683,066,388	510
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	633
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Eli Lilly	$623,326,368	79
97	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
98	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79

That's a perfect description of the wealthy capitalists who you worship. They live off of the hard work of others., because they want to live a life of comfort and recreation. They're the parasites of society, exploiting the working class, and paying people less than what they're producing to make a profit. They're the worthless, unproductive leeches of society, which brainwashed working-class people like you want to become. You aspire to become a lazy parasite like them, no longer working for a living, living off of other's work.


Most people don't have the capital to start a business and the vast majority of businesses fail. So the only people who have the money to start such businesses are those who have the capital to risk. Moreover, mass production, in any industry, whether it's manufacturing or retail sales, is a social endeavor, not a private one. If a business needs human laborers to work it, then that business should be owned collectively by everyone who works in that business. That productive enterprise should be run democratically, not as a dictatorship.

If you start a business and it's just you and your family, then that's different. But if you start hiring others to work in your business, that business should not just be yours anymore, because you're now operating with the assistance of other workers. Without those other people, that business wouldn't function or grow. Private property is any property that can be used to exploit other human beings for a profit. All private property should be abolished and the only property permitted in society should be personal property for personal use.


The inequality is created by capitalists, to keep people desperate for jobs, and willing to work for a lower wage. Wealth accumulates at the top, and doesn't trickle down to the bottom:

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View attachment 977764​

Smart capitalists know that if the inequality is too much, making life miserable for the working class, the economy collapses, so they support government policies that serve the public good, like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, rental assistance..etc, and of course, they pay their employees a living wage. But unfortunately today, most capitalists and the right-wingers who worship them are stupid, so they create extreme hardship for working-class people, driving the economy into the ground or worse, into social unrest and civil war.



That's a great description of the wealthy capitalist parasites who you worship. They're lazy inefficient and thick-skulled.



Just being self-employed, doesn't make you a capitalist. I'm also self-employed, and I'm not a capitalist. A capitalist is someone who hires other human beings for a wage, extracting as much value as possible from their labor, for a profit. If you're not doing that, you're not a capitalist.


Socialism doesn't "bank" on people being any more honest than capitalism does. You're now just talking gibberish.



More gibberish.

Sorry, I don't do butchered quotes. Imagine we're in a pub having a conversation, start to repeat what I say in snippet form and it will just make me sup up quickly and leave. Try again.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Sorry, I don't do butchered quotes. Imagine we're in a pub having a conversation, start to repeat what I say in snippet form will just make me sup up and leave. Try again.

Do you actually think I respond to your capitalist-claptrap to convince you of anything? I could care less if you read my responses to you, because I know that others do read it. They PM me all of the time, asking me questions about my posts and to further explain my position. I write for them, not you, an insincere, ignorant, pretentious moron, who doesn't care about the truth. I only care for the genuine truth seekers, that's why I'm here.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Do you actually think I respond to your capitalist-claptrap to convince you of anything? I could care less if you read my responses to you, because I know that others do read it. They PM me all of the time, asking me questions about my posts and to further explain my position. I write for them, not you, an insincere, ignorant, pretentious moron, who doesn't care about the truth. I only care for the genuine truth seekers, that's why I'm here.

Yes fucking inbred dickhead. If you can't do normal conversation, get back in the abortion bucket. Fucking told you what capitalism and socialism is all about, if you don't have basic comprehension kills, then fuck off. Sounds like you're one of those lazy sponging socialists wanting to suck off society. Typical.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yes fucking inbred dickhead. If you can't do normal conversation, get back in the abortion bucket. Fucking told you what capitalism and socialism is all about, if you don't have basic comprehension kills, then fuck off. Sounds like you're one of those lazy sponging socialists wanting to suck off society. Typical.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Yes fucking inbred dickhead. If you can't do normal conversation, get back in the abortion bucket. Fucking told you what capitalism and socialism is all about, if you don't have basic comprehension kills, then fuck off. Sounds like you're one of those lazy sponging socialists wanting to suck off society. Typical.

Yes fucking inbred dickhead. If you can't do normal conversation, get back in the abortion bucket. Fucking told you what capitalism and socialism is all about, if you don't have basic comprehension kills, then fuck off. Sounds like you're one of those lazy sponging socialists wanting to suck off society. Typical.

You're an ignorant retard. I debunked all of your silly points in that post and you're unwilling to respond because you can't. All you have are insults, that's all. You're a lazy capitalist parasite leech, living off of your employees (exploitees).

 

[Captain Caveman]

You're an ignorant retard. I debunked all of your silly points in that post and you're unable to respond because you can't. All you have are insults, that's all. You're a lazy capitalist parasite leech, living off of your employees.

I DO NOT read butchered up replies. Unlike you, I have the brains to remember what I said. You do not sit in a pub and say -

Well, you said, "Bla bla bla", so I say, "Bla bla bla"

Then you said, "Bla bla bla", so I say, "Bla bla bla"

And then you said, "Bla bla bla", so I say, "Bla bla bla"

So either communicate like an adult, or just fuck off.

Socialism is fantastic on paper, it doesn't work in reality. Go and live in China or Vietnam, stop sponging off your country.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I DO NOT read butchered up replies. Unlike you, I have the brains to remember what I said. You do not sit in a pub and say -

Well, you said, "Bla bla bla", so I say, "Bla bla bla"

Then you said, "Bla bla bla", so I say, "Bla bla bla"

And then you said, "Bla bla bla", so I say, "Bla bla bla"

So either communicate like an adult, or just fuck off.

Socialism is fantastic on paper, it doesn't work in reality. Go and live in China or Vietnam, stop sponging off your country.

The actual reality is that capitalism always fails and needs socialism to bail it out every few years. The right-wing conservative Republicans are always accusing Democrats of being socialists, for proposing policies like Universal Medicare, tuition-free college, labor rights, affordable housing programs, more money for public transit and infrastructure development..etc.

Following the Republican conservative standard of who is a socialist and what is socialism, all of Europe is socialist. The modern industrialized world is mostly socialist because all of those policies that make Republicans shout "Commie!" at progressive Democrats are commonplace in the industrialized, modern world. It's SOP, Standard Operating Procedure.

In this country we have socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. The poor are expected to work hard and earn their keep, picking themselves up by their own bootstraps, whereas the rich capitalists get access to all of the resources of the government:

RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,496,865,703	958
2	Intel	$8,421,707,656	135
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,524,714,800	792
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,823,705,434	460
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
12	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	217
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,543,219,673	265
20	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,364,054,012	7
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
28	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
29	Toyota	$2,071,010,689	239
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Brookfield Corporation	$1,979,408,388	288
32	Paramount Global	$1,974,249,897	342
33	Comcast	$1,927,402,844	405
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,917,119,478	241
35	Samsung Electronics	$1,891,136,597	41
36	Apple Inc.	$1,845,004,670	63
37	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,830,986,253	1,200
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,740,972,699	1,151
41	Energy Transfer	$1,736,836,843	175
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	General Electric	$1,645,135,367	958
45	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
46	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
47	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,563,595,610	64
48	General Atomics	$1,510,875,891	112
49	IBM Corp.	$1,497,901,697	368
50	Lockheed Martin	$1,462,674,082	325
51	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
52	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
53	Corning Inc.	$1,391,603,359	401
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
56	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
57	Northrop Grumman	$1,284,014,883	285
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,193,950,954	797
61	CF Industries	$1,134,394,215	131
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
68	SK Holdings	$960,550,283	8
69	SkyWest	$944,296,654	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	60
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$897,750,089	594
73	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
74	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
75	SK Hynix	$866,700,000	2
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	93
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$798,426,128	956
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$786,835,708	219
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$774,590,441	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$683,066,388	510
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	633
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Eli Lilly	$623,326,368	79
97	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
98	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79

If it wasn't for socialism, there would be no capitalism. Socialism keeps the pitchforks from coming out and prevents the market economy from collapsing.

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[Captain Caveman]

The actual reality is that capitalism always fails and needs socialism to bail it out every few years. The right-wing conservative Republicans are always accusing Democrats of being socialists, for proposing policies like Universal Medicare, tuition-free college, labor rights, affordable housing programs, more money for public transit and infrastructure development..etc.

Following the Republican conservative standard of who is a socialist and what is socialism, all of Europe is socialist. The modern industrialized world is mostly socialist because all of those policies that make Republicans shout "Commie!" at the progressive Democrats are commonplace in the industrialized, modern world. It's SOP, Standard Operating Procedure.

In this country we have socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. The poor are expected to work hard and earn their keep, picking themselves up by their own bootstraps, whereas the rich capitalists get access to all of the resources of the government:

RANK	PARENT	SUBSIDY VALUE	NUMBER OF AWARDS
1	Boeing	$15,496,865,703	958
2	Intel	$8,421,707,656	135
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,524,714,800	792
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,823,705,434	460
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
12	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	217
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,543,219,673	265
20	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,364,054,012	7
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
28	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
29	Toyota	$2,071,010,689	239
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Brookfield Corporation	$1,979,408,388	288
32	Paramount Global	$1,974,249,897	342
33	Comcast	$1,927,402,844	405
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,917,119,478	241
35	Samsung Electronics	$1,891,136,597	41
36	Apple Inc.	$1,845,004,670	63
37	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,830,986,253	1,200
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,740,972,699	1,151
41	Energy Transfer	$1,736,836,843	175
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	General Electric	$1,645,135,367	958
45	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
46	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
47	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,563,595,610	64
48	General Atomics	$1,510,875,891	112
49	IBM Corp.	$1,497,901,697	368
50	Lockheed Martin	$1,462,674,082	325
51	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
52	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
53	Corning Inc.	$1,391,603,359	401
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
56	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
57	Northrop Grumman	$1,284,014,883	285
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,193,950,954	797
61	CF Industries	$1,134,394,215	131
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
68	SK Holdings	$960,550,283	8
69	SkyWest	$944,296,654	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	60
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$897,750,089	594
73	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
74	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
75	SK Hynix	$866,700,000	2
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	93
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$798,426,128	956
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$786,835,708	219
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$774,590,441	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$683,066,388	510
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	633
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Eli Lilly	$623,326,368	79
97	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
98	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79

If it wasn't for socialism, there would be no capitalism. Socialism keeps the pitchforks from coming out and prevents the market economy from collapsing.

​

Can I stop you there. You need to grab a dictionary and look up Capitalism and Socialism, clearly you don't know what they mean. For example, which EU countries are socialist?

Countries national debt is mainly there because it's the result of social programmes, they need paid for so it just incurs debt. If you feel, for example free college, where does the money come from? How much will it cost? Twenty years ago, I left work and decided to retrain and go self employed. I went to college and paid for two years. Why should you pay for my college course? I need to better myself so I can go out into society and offer my skills.

The companies you list are there because certain people and institutions risked their money, they developed and offered products and services that they felt the public wants to buy. You are free not to use them. You are also free to set up your rival business to compete with them. You are also equally allowed to purchase a share of most, if not all, of those companies. For risking your money, you hopefully receive a dividend.

Where's the incentive for me to develop the iPhone if the state takes over the production and gives me food parcels for my efforts?

If you believe socialism rescues capitalism, I suggest you change 'truth' to 'opinion' and 'not' to 'and'. Keep the last bit.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Can I stop you there. You need to grab a dictionary and look up Capitalism and Socialism, clearly you don't know what they mean. For example, which EU countries are socialist?

Countries national debt is mainly there because it's the result of social programmes, they need paid for so it just incurs debt. If you feel, for example free college, where does the money come from? How much will it cost? Twenty years ago, I left work and decided to retrain and go self employed. I went to college and paid for two years. Why should you pay for my college course? I need to better myself so I can go out into society and offer my skills.

The companies you list are there because certain people and institutions risked their money, they developed and offered products and services that they felt the public wants to buy. You are free not to use them. You are also free to set up your rival business to compete with them. You are also equally allowed to purchase a share of most, if not all, of those companies. For risking your money, you hopefully receive a dividend.

Where's the incentive for me to develop the iPhone if the state takes over the production and gives me food parcels for my efforts?

If you believe socialism rescues capitalism, I suggest you change 'truth' to 'opinion' and 'not' to 'and'. Keep the last bit.

Captain Caveman, your understanding of socialism and capitalism is fundamentally flawed. Let’s set the record straight.

Socialism is an economic system where the means of production are collectively owned, aiming for equitable distribution of resources. Capitalism is where these means are privately owned, prioritizing profit, which inherently leads to significant inequality.

You claim national debt stems from social programs. This is a gross oversimplification. Much of the U.S. debt comes from military spending, corporate subsidies, and tax cuts for the wealthy, not social programs. Investments in education, healthcare, and public services strengthen the economy by fostering a healthy, educated workforce.

Your dichotomy of right-wing self-improvement vs. left-wing collective benefit is misleading. The working class drives economic productivity but often sees their labor’s profits go to the wealthy under capitalism. Socialism seeks to ensure fair distribution, not laziness.

The idea that capitalism offers equal opportunity is a myth. In capitalism, wealth concentrates at the top, ensuring the rich get richer while the poor struggle.

As for innovation, much of it, including the internet and GPS, comes from publicly funded research, not the private sector:

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Socialism encourages innovation for the common good, not just profit.

Policies you decry as socialist, like universal healthcare, and free education, are standard in Europe and other developed nations, resulting in better quality of life and economic stability. According to your logic, these nations are "socialist," yet they thrive. Amazing huh?

A government issuing its currency can manage higher debt levels, constrained by inflation, not an arbitrary debt ceiling. As long as GDP grows, national debt isn’t a crisis. Watch this for more info:

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The call for Universal Basic Income (UBI) by billionaires acknowledges that capitalism can’t sustain full employment with automation and AI advances. It needs socialism to survive.

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In reality, capitalism often fails and needs socialist measures to prevent collapse. Your portrayal of socialism causing debt while ignoring capitalism’s flaws is not just misleading, it’s dangerously ignorant. Socialism isn’t about laziness; it’s about ensuring the wealth generated by society benefits everyone, not just the elite. This is how it is, and it's time we build a system that works for all, not just a privileged few.

 

[Mac-7]

I support controlling our border by the most efficient means possible.

Which is not happening under biden and never will

 

[Captain Caveman]

You claim national debt stems from social programs.

I'm heading out in 5 mins, family birthday get together so I'll quickly reply to one point before I go.

I said -

Countries national debt is mainly there because it's the result of social programmes

 

[TruthNotBS]

I'm heading out in 5 mins, family birthday get together so I'll quickly reply to one point before I go.

I said -

Countries national debt is mainly there because it's the result of social programmes

The notion that national debt is primarily due to social programs is a common misconception. In reality, a significant portion of the U.S. national debt arises from military spending, which vastly outstrips social spending. Additionally, corporate subsidies and tax cuts for the wealthy have contributed substantially to the deficit.

Social programs, such as healthcare and education, are investments in human capital that promote economic stability and growth. These programs are not the primary drivers of national debt; rather, they enhance the productivity and well-being of the population, which in turn benefits the economy.

The national debt is not mainly due to social programs but rather to a combination of excessive military spending, corporate subsidies, and tax policies favoring the wealthy. Social investments, on the other hand, are crucial for a healthy and productive society.

 

[GWV5903]

The notion that national debt is primarily due to social programs is a common misconception.

HHS & SSA are currently 48%, Defense spending is 13%

In reality, a significant portion of the U.S. national debt arises from military spending, which vastly outstrips social spending.

Not in todays numbers, you’re over exaggerating

Additionally, corporate subsidies and tax cuts for the wealthy have contributed substantially to the deficit.

Another exaggeration, further proof you're wrong

Social programs, such as healthcare and education, are investments in human capital that promote economic stability and growth.

Universal Healthcare is not the answer, less government regulation

These programs are not the primary drivers of national debt; rather, they enhance the productivity and well-being of the population, which in turn benefits the economy.

SS is going broke, it's our number one expense since '92, where do you come up with this crap?

 

[TruthNotBS]

HHS & SSA are currently 48%, Defense spending is 13%

Not in todays numbers, you’re over exaggerating

Another exaggeration, further proof you're wrong

Universal Healthcare is not the answer, less government regulation

SS is going broke, it's our number one expense since '92, where do you come up with this crap?

GWV5903, your arguments about Social Security (SS) and Medicare being the primary drivers of national debt are fundamentally flawed and based on misinterpretations of data and economic principles. Let's clarify these misconceptions.

National Debt and Social Programs​

You claim social programs are the main drivers of national debt, but this is a common misunderstanding of budget allocation. While HHS and SSA constitute significant portions of the federal budget, this doesn't mean they are inherently problematic or unsustainable.

1. Self-Funding Nature of Social Security:
   
   • Social Security is primarily funded through payroll taxes. Workers contribute a portion of their earnings throughout their careers, which funds the benefits they receive upon retirement. It’s a pay-as-you-go system ensuring current workers support retirees. This system is not a traditional source of national debt but a self-sustaining social insurance program. Alan Greenspan, a respected economist, pointed out that the Federal Government can create as much money as needed to fulfill Social Security obligations. The real issue is ensuring that the real assets and resources are available to retirees, not the solvency of Social Security itself.

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1. Medicare Efficiency and Cost Control:
   
   • Medicare is funded through payroll taxes, premiums, and general revenue. Despite its significant cost, it’s more efficient than private insurance due to lower administrative costs and the government's ability to negotiate prices. Private healthcare systems are riddled with high administrative costs and profit margins.

Misunderstanding Budget Percentages​

While SS and Medicare represent significant portions of the budget, focusing solely on these percentages ignores other substantial expenditures:

• Military Spending: The U.S. spends more on defense than the next several countries combined, which is a major factor in national debt.
• Corporate Subsidies and Tax Cuts: Billions in subsidies go to already profitable corporations, and tax cuts for the wealthy reduce government revenue, increasing the deficit. These cuts benefit the rich disproportionately, exacerbating inequality.

The Role of Social Programs​

Social programs like Social Security and Medicare are crucial investments in human capital. Social Security ensures that people who have contributed to the economy can retire with dignity. It's a self-sustaining program, funded by workers' contributions, and it boosts economic productivity by ensuring retirees have purchasing power.

Healthcare and Government Involvement​

Your argument that healthcare should be left entirely to the private sector is misguided. The U.S. spends more on healthcare per capita than any other developed nation yet has worse outcomes. Private healthcare is more expensive and bureaucratic than public options.

Medicare for All Would:

• Reduce Costs: Studies, including one by Yale, show Medicare for All would save billions annually by reducing administrative costs and allowing the government to negotiate drug prices. Public Citizen Study
• Universal Coverage: It would provide healthcare for all, ending medical bankruptcies and ensuring everyone has access to necessary services.

Contrary to your claims, privatized healthcare results in higher costs and less accessibility. In countries with universal healthcare, like those in Europe, people enjoy better health outcomes at a lower cost.

Economic Rights and the Future of Work​

Healthcare, education, housing, and job security are basic human rights. As automation and AI continue to evolve, displacing jobs, the need for a system that guarantees these rights becomes more urgent.

• Marketless, Non-Profit System: The future lies in a democratically controlled, centrally planned economy where the means of production, including advanced technology, are owned collectively. This is the only sustainable solution to prevent massive inequality and ensure that everyone benefits from technological advancements.

Understanding the Government Budget and Debt​

The government's budget is nothing like a household budget. Unlike households, the federal government issues its own currency and cannot run out of it. Deficit spending by the government is not equivalent to personal debt. When the government runs a deficit, it injects money into the economy, increasing the private sector's wealth.

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• National Debt as Private Sector Wealth: The national debt is a record of all dollars spent into the economy but not yet taxed back. These dollars are held in the form of Treasury securities, which are safe assets people want in their portfolios. Reducing the national debt would mean removing these safe assets from the economy, which could have adverse effects on financial stability.

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Conclusion

, the current capitalist system fails to address these issues. Your arguments for privatization and against social programs ignore empirical evidence and the realities of economic dynamics. This is the way it is: Social programs are essential to a functioning, equitable society. Ignoring this fact perpetuates myths that benefit only the wealthy elite at the expense of the majority. Socialism provides a more just, equitable, and sustainable framework for our society, and this is the path we must take.

By focusing on the real resources available and the productive capacity of the economy, we can afford to provide essential services like healthcare, education, and social security without falling into the trap of fearing national debt. This is how we ensure a prosperous and fair society for all.