Democrat party creating gun crime...Chicago Edition, part 4 million....Felon on parole, 3 felony gun convictions, had illegal gun.

[2aguy]

We do not have a gun problem in the United States.

We have a problem with the democrat party and it's judges, prosecutors and politicians.

They keep letting violent, known, repeat gun felons out of jail and prison over and over again.......no matter how many times they are arrested for felony gun crimes......

Anti-gun extremists on U.S.message.......can you explain this before you demand more gun control laws?

Chicago...



A man on parole for his third gun conviction was arrested near Montrose Harbor after he allegedly pointed a handgun at a driver on Lake Shore Drive during a road rage incident Sunday evening. Police tracked the man down by using CPD’s extensive network of lakefront cameras and license plate readers.



Esparza was paroled in September 2020 after serving half of a five-year sentence that he received for being a felon in possession of a firearm in 2018. He previously received three years for being a felon in possession of a firearm in 2016. Before that, he received a three-year sentence for being a felon in possession of a firearm in 2014. He also has a 2009 conviction for possession of a stolen motor vehicle.

Man on parole for 3rd gun case is charged with brandishing firearm during Lake Shore Drive road rage clash

A man on parole for his third gun conviction was arrested near Montrose Harbor after he allegedly pointed a handgun at a driver on Lake Shore Drive during a road rage incident Sunday evening.

cwbchicago.com

My solution for this guy?

30 year sentence for the first time he was a felon caught with an illegal gun.....if it was used in a crime, life in prison.

That is how you stop gun crime.

You do not stop it by going after normal gun owners....

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

or hang a Gun Free Felon sign on the brother.

 

[marvin martian]

We do not have a gun problem in the United States.

We have a problem with the democrat party and it's judges, prosecutors and politicians.

They keep letting violent, known, repeat gun felons out of jail and prison over and over again.......no matter how many times they are arrested for felony gun crimes......

Anti-gun extremists on U.S.message.......can you explain this before you demand more gun control laws?

Chicago...



A man on parole for his third gun conviction was arrested near Montrose Harbor after he allegedly pointed a handgun at a driver on Lake Shore Drive during a road rage incident Sunday evening. Police tracked the man down by using CPD’s extensive network of lakefront cameras and license plate readers.



Esparza was paroled in September 2020 after serving half of a five-year sentence that he received for being a felon in possession of a firearm in 2018. He previously received three years for being a felon in possession of a firearm in 2016. Before that, he received a three-year sentence for being a felon in possession of a firearm in 2014. He also has a 2009 conviction for possession of a stolen motor vehicle.

Man on parole for 3rd gun case is charged with brandishing firearm during Lake Shore Drive road rage clash

A man on parole for his third gun conviction was arrested near Montrose Harbor after he allegedly pointed a handgun at a driver on Lake Shore Drive during a road rage incident Sunday evening.

cwbchicago.com

My solution for this guy?

30 year sentence for the first time he was a felon caught with an illegal gun.....if it was used in a crime, life in prison.

That is how you stop gun crime.

You do not stop it by going after normal gun owners....

It makes more sense when you realize the DemoKKKrats who run these shitholes WANT it that way.

This is no coincidence, it is on purpose:

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[Hang on Sloopy]

Lori Lighthead. The dumbest thing ever elected. The bitch is so not qualified

 

[Doc7505]

Just another Progressive Marxist Socialist/DSA DemoKkkrat catch and release program..

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We do not have a gun problem in the United States.

We have a problem with the democrat party and it's judges, prosecutors and politicians.

They keep letting violent, known, repeat gun felons out of jail and prison over and over again.......no matter how many times they are arrested for felony gun crimes......

Anti-gun extremists on U.S.message.......can you explain this before you demand more gun control laws?

Chicago...



A man on parole for his third gun conviction was arrested near Montrose Harbor after he allegedly pointed a handgun at a driver on Lake Shore Drive during a road rage incident Sunday evening. Police tracked the man down by using CPD’s extensive network of lakefront cameras and license plate readers.



Esparza was paroled in September 2020 after serving half of a five-year sentence that he received for being a felon in possession of a firearm in 2018. He previously received three years for being a felon in possession of a firearm in 2016. Before that, he received a three-year sentence for being a felon in possession of a firearm in 2014. He also has a 2009 conviction for possession of a stolen motor vehicle.

Man on parole for 3rd gun case is charged with brandishing firearm during Lake Shore Drive road rage clash

A man on parole for his third gun conviction was arrested near Montrose Harbor after he allegedly pointed a handgun at a driver on Lake Shore Drive during a road rage incident Sunday evening.

cwbchicago.com

My solution for this guy?

30 year sentence for the first time he was a felon caught with an illegal gun.....if it was used in a crime, life in prison.

That is how you stop gun crime.

You do not stop it by going after normal gun owners....

I agree that it is not appropriate to let violent criminals walk the streets.

At the same time, had this guy paid his debt to society, and his rights fully restored, he would not have the 2014, 2016, and 2018 "unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon" charges.

It appears to me that the only thing this guy did wrong is exercise a right that should have been restored to him after his release. FUCK that "brandishing" bullshit. He didn't point it at them and threaten to shoot. It's a bullshit "crime" that communist gun-grabbers use to prevent any pre-shooting warnings that will prevent violence.

But, this goes right back into the OP. Why are we letting felons out if we think they will continue to be a danger to society?

 

[Rogue AI]

Just getting in early, either later today or sometime tomorrow Chicago will eclipse the 500 murder mark for the year. Bravo!

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[Damaged Eagle]

It's Chicago nuff said

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[budboomer]

Wait a minute. Are you trying to tell me that criminals thumb their noses at gun laws?

Well, there's only one thing to do and I think we all know what that is. We need to pass more gun laws.

We can start with making it illegal to thumb your nose at gun laws.

Thank you, thank you very much. Yes. I am thinking of running for office as a Democrat.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Democrat [sic] party creating gun crime

This is a lie.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I agree that it is not appropriate to let violent criminals walk the streets.

At the same time, had this guy paid his debt to society, and his rights fully restored, he would not have the 2014, 2016, and 2018 "unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon" charges.

It appears to me that the only thing this guy did wrong is exercise a right that should have been restored to him after his release. FUCK that "brandishing" bullshit. He didn't point it at them and threaten to shoot. It's a bullshit "crime" that communist gun-grabbers use to prevent any pre-shooting warnings that will prevent violence.

But, this goes right back into the OP. Why are we letting felons out if we think they will continue to be a danger to society?

I have to disagree with you there. Allowing a felon to be in possession of a firearm is no better than allowing a teacher who molested a girl in school back in the classroom after he gets out. Our prison system has a history of repeat offenders, and it's only a matter of time before this lowlife actually uses the gun, or somebody legally allowed to carry one shoots his head off.

You commit a felony, your punishment is prison, lose your right to be in possession of a firearm, and lose your right to vote for the rest of your life. The problem in our country is we don't have a strong enough deterrent as it is to stop people from doing stuff like this.

 

[SavannahMann]

Interesting. Essentially life in prison for the first crime. Ok, let’s discuss that. How much money can you afford in taxes? Because Prisons aren’t cheap. They cost money to run, to house the inmate, and to keep the inmate from leaving.

Depending on the state, it cost between $31k and $60k a year to keep someone in prison. Let’s do some math shall we?

First, let’s figure you will increase the current prison population by a third.

Right now, there are an estimated 2,120,000 people in prison. That is two million. Figure two and a half with your longer sentences, to begin.

We’ll average out the numbers and charge $40k a year to keep them in prison. In other words, it cost us the taxpayers $112.5 Billion. That’s with a B.

According to the Employment Figures. There are 157 million people working in this nation.

Now, basic math says that each person would pay $713 for their share of the cost of the prison. And that doesn’t include courts, cops, judges, juries, and anything else. It is just to keep the guy in prison.

So as that number increases as more people fall foul of your have a gun go to jail for the rest of your life policy.

So what works? Your argument is that too many prisoners are returning to a life of crime once they are out. So why not look at ways to reduce that number. You would reduce the number of prisoners, and the costs associated with keeping them. Even a ten percent reduction would save millions of dollars. Again, we are just talking about prison, not any other step in the justice system including a cop to arrest the baddie.

When we gave mandatory minimums, we said it was to insure the guilty were punished, and it would act as a deterrent. It didn’t. Now, after that failed policy, we need to double down. Since we can’t deter criminals we have to insure they never again step foot out of the prison.

Why not work on reducing the repeat offender statistics? Why not try something new since the same old hasn’t worked? Why not try a few programs and see what happens when they’re used?

Not because of cost. Not when we’re talking about $30k to $60k a year to keep them in the joint. Not because it is a waste of time, because what we are doing, and what you are demanding, is the big waste of time.

Because if it works, you don’t think the baddie will be punished enough for his wrongdoing. And punishing even torturing the baddie is what you want to see. Isn’t that the case?

While people from your side are arguing they pay too much in taxes for this, or that, don’t come out and scream we need to increase the prison population unless you are willing to pay for it. And not by taking the money from elsewhere. But by ponying up new taxes to fund this disaster.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Interesting. Essentially life in prison for the first crime. Ok, let’s discuss that. How much money can you afford in taxes? Because Prisons aren’t cheap. They cost money to run, to house the inmate, and to keep the inmate from leaving.

Depending on the state, it cost between $31k and $60k a year to keep someone in prison. Let’s do some math shall we?

First, let’s figure you will increase the current prison population by a third.

Right now, there are an estimated 2,120,000 people in prison. That is two million. Figure two and a half with your longer sentences, to begin.

We’ll average out the numbers and charge $40k a year to keep them in prison. In other words, it cost us the taxpayers $112.5 Billion. That’s with a B.

According to the Employment Figures. There are 157 million people working in this nation.

Now, basic math says that each person would pay $713 for their share of the cost of the prison. And that doesn’t include courts, cops, judges, juries, and anything else. It is just to keep the guy in prison.

So as that number increases as more people fall foul of your have a gun go to jail for the rest of your life policy.

So what works? Your argument is that too many prisoners are returning to a life of crime once they are out. So why not look at ways to reduce that number. You would reduce the number of prisoners, and the costs associated with keeping them. Even a ten percent reduction would save millions of dollars. Again, we are just talking about prison, not any other step in the justice system including a cop to arrest the baddie.

When we gave mandatory minimums, we said it was to insure the guilty were punished, and it would act as a deterrent. It didn’t. Now, after that failed policy, we need to double down. Since we can’t deter criminals we have to insure they never again step foot out of the prison.

Why not work on reducing the repeat offender statistics? Why not try something new since the same old hasn’t worked? Why not try a few programs and see what happens when they’re used?

Not because of cost. Not when we’re talking about $30k to $60k a year to keep them in the joint. Not because it is a waste of time, because what we are doing, and what you are demanding, is the big waste of time.

Because if it works, you don’t think the baddie will be punished enough for his wrongdoing. And punishing even torturing the baddie is what you want to see. Isn’t that the case?

While people from your side are arguing they pay too much in taxes for this, or that, don’t come out and scream we need to increase the prison population unless you are willing to pay for it. And not by taking the money from elsewhere. But by ponying up new taxes to fund this disaster.

The reason this guy continues to have a gun is because a few years in prison is not a deterrent for him. He gets out, does the same thing again. Reducing the deterrent has never worked to help control crime. We seen that all last year in the riots.

Gun crimes and violent crimes in general took a plunge in NYC when they had stop and frisk. They had to get rid of it because of constitutional issues, but look at NYC today. Stop and frisk was a deterrent.

 

[2aguy]

Interesting. Essentially life in prison for the first crime. Ok, let’s discuss that. How much money can you afford in taxes? Because Prisons aren’t cheap. They cost money to run, to house the inmate, and to keep the inmate from leaving.

Depending on the state, it cost between $31k and $60k a year to keep someone in prison. Let’s do some math shall we?

First, let’s figure you will increase the current prison population by a third.

Right now, there are an estimated 2,120,000 people in prison. That is two million. Figure two and a half with your longer sentences, to begin.

We’ll average out the numbers and charge $40k a year to keep them in prison. In other words, it cost us the taxpayers $112.5 Billion. That’s with a B.

According to the Employment Figures. There are 157 million people working in this nation.

Now, basic math says that each person would pay $713 for their share of the cost of the prison. And that doesn’t include courts, cops, judges, juries, and anything else. It is just to keep the guy in prison.

So as that number increases as more people fall foul of your have a gun go to jail for the rest of your life policy.

So what works? Your argument is that too many prisoners are returning to a life of crime once they are out. So why not look at ways to reduce that number. You would reduce the number of prisoners, and the costs associated with keeping them. Even a ten percent reduction would save millions of dollars. Again, we are just talking about prison, not any other step in the justice system including a cop to arrest the baddie.

When we gave mandatory minimums, we said it was to insure the guilty were punished, and it would act as a deterrent. It didn’t. Now, after that failed policy, we need to double down. Since we can’t deter criminals we have to insure they never again step foot out of the prison.

Why not work on reducing the repeat offender statistics? Why not try something new since the same old hasn’t worked? Why not try a few programs and see what happens when they’re used?

Not because of cost. Not when we’re talking about $30k to $60k a year to keep them in the joint. Not because it is a waste of time, because what we are doing, and what you are demanding, is the big waste of time.

Because if it works, you don’t think the baddie will be punished enough for his wrongdoing. And punishing even torturing the baddie is what you want to see. Isn’t that the case?

While people from your side are arguing they pay too much in taxes for this, or that, don’t come out and scream we need to increase the prison population unless you are willing to pay for it. And not by taking the money from elsewhere. But by ponying up new taxes to fund this disaster.

It is always brought up how much it costs to keep monsters in prison.....how much does it cost to let them rape, beat, stab, rob and murder each time they are released...a criminal out running free, a criminal whose only job is being a criminal costs more to society out free than keeping them locked up....to the victims, to the healthcare system...to the insurance system....

We are talking violent criminals here who have shown a willingness to violently attack victims...

60,000 dollars a year is a bargain to save one life ....

Total costs (first reported in 2000 U.S. dollars) were $4.4 million per act of murder/manslaughter, $219,286 per robbery, $369,739 per rape/sexual assault, $105,545 per aggravated assault, $22,739 per property offense, and $28,121 per drug offense.
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With his “jury compensation approach,” Cohen (1988) demonstrated how to estimate a monetary value for pain, suffering, and fear in personal injury cases by combining victim injury data with jury awards. Based on research by Viscusi (1983), Cohen set the value of a statistical life at $2 million. A monetary value for the risk of death in each crime category was then calculated by multiplying the value of a statistical life by corresponding Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)-reported crime-related death rates. Cost estimates (first reported in 1985 U.S. dollars) included $97,962 per rape/sexual assault, $23,025 per aggravated assault, $24,168 per robbery, $344 per larceny/theft, $6,006 per motor vehicle theft, and $2,575 per household burglary.

The Cost of Crime to Society: New Crime-Specific Estimates for Policy and Program Evaluation

Estimating the cost to society of individual crimes is essential to the economic evaluation of many social programs, such as substance abuse treatment and community policing. A review of the crime-costing literature reveals multiple sources, including ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[SavannahMann]

It is always brought up how much it costs to keep monsters in prison.....how much does it cost to let them rape, beat, stab, rob and murder each time they are released...a criminal out running free, a criminal whose only job is being a criminal costs more to society out free than keeping them locked up....to the victims, to the healthcare system...to the insurance system....

We are talking violent criminals here who have shown a willingness to violently attack victims...

60,000 dollars a year is a bargain to save one life ....

Total costs (first reported in 2000 U.S. dollars) were $4.4 million per act of murder/manslaughter, $219,286 per robbery, $369,739 per rape/sexual assault, $105,545 per aggravated assault, $22,739 per property offense, and $28,121 per drug offense.
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With his “jury compensation approach,” Cohen (1988) demonstrated how to estimate a monetary value for pain, suffering, and fear in personal injury cases by combining victim injury data with jury awards. Based on research by Viscusi (1983), Cohen set the value of a statistical life at $2 million. A monetary value for the risk of death in each crime category was then calculated by multiplying the value of a statistical life by corresponding Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)-reported crime-related death rates. Cost estimates (first reported in 1985 U.S. dollars) included $97,962 per rape/sexual assault, $23,025 per aggravated assault, $24,168 per robbery, $344 per larceny/theft, $6,006 per motor vehicle theft, and $2,575 per household burglary.

The Cost of Crime to Society: New Crime-Specific Estimates for Policy and Program Evaluation

Estimating the cost to society of individual crimes is essential to the economic evaluation of many social programs, such as substance abuse treatment and community policing. A review of the crime-costing literature reveals multiple sources, including ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And programs designed to reduce recidivism and turn the criminal into a productive member of society are not even considered. Instead you want to spend $1.8 million warehousing a prisoner for a $24,000 crime using your numbers.

 

[2aguy]

And programs designed to reduce recidivism and turn the criminal into a productive member of society are not even considered. Instead you want to spend $1.8 million warehousing a prisoner for a $24,000 crime using your numbers.

24,000 dollar crime...tell that to the victims.....and that is only the crime he was captured for...the average criminal is committing crimes daily, racking up the cost to the innocent victims as he runs free.

 

[2aguy]

I thought about starting another thread...but here you go.....

A convicted felon who posted $200 to get out of jail for his third illegal firearm case was one of two gunmen in a mass shooting that injured five people in Gresham last month, prosecutors said Wednesday.

Devon Harding is now the 33rd person accused of killing, trying to kill, or shooting someone in Chicago this year while awaiting trial for another felony.

Last April, prosecutors charged Harding with felony unlawful use of a weapon by a felon, and he went home by posting the $200 deposit, court records show. According to CPD records, officers last April arrested Harding in connection with a different murder investigation, but he was never charged with the killing.

Shortly after noon on July 14, while still on bail for the pending gun case, Harding and another gunman pulled up to the 7900 block of South Justine, got out of their car, and opened fire on a group of people who were standing on the street, according to police and prosecutors.

#33: Gunman in mass shooting was on $200 bond for pending firearms case, prosecutors say

A convicted felon who posted $200 to get out of jail for his third illegal firearm case was one of two gunmen in a mass shooting that injured five people in Gresham last month, prosecutors said Wednesday.

cwbchicago.com

He should have been held without bail, as a felon in possession of an illegal firearm and if convicted should serve 30 years in prison.....but life in prison for actually using the gun in a crime.

 

[SavannahMann]

24,000 dollar crime...tell that to the victims.....and that is only the crime he was captured for...the average criminal is committing crimes daily, racking up the cost to the innocent victims as he runs free.

In reply number 14 you said the cost of Robbery according to the FBI was $24k. That is your number.

The problem with your attitude is that it has led to the mess we are in now. Where cops feel vindicated planting evidence and lying. But when they are caught dozens of criminals go free.

Like you they believe someone spends every waking moment committing crimes. Snd if the cops don’t get the proof now, that is just bad luck. A couple hours earlier or later they would have the proof. So just plant some and get the Criminal off the streets.

 

[2aguy]

In reply number 14 you said the cost of Robbery according to the FBI was $24k. That is your number.

The problem with your attitude is that it has led to the mess we are in now. Where cops feel vindicated planting evidence and lying. But when they are caught dozens of criminals go free.

Like you they believe someone spends every waking moment committing crimes. Snd if the cops don’t get the proof now, that is just bad luck. A couple hours earlier or later they would have the proof. So just plant some and get the Criminal off the streets.

That is one robbery....how many robberies does the average criminal commit while they are running free?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

In reply number 14 you said the cost of Robbery according to the FBI was $24k. That is your number.

The problem with your attitude is that it has led to the mess we are in now. Where cops feel vindicated planting evidence and lying. But when they are caught dozens of criminals go free.

Like you they believe someone spends every waking moment committing crimes. Snd if the cops don’t get the proof now, that is just bad luck. A couple hours earlier or later they would have the proof. So just plant some and get the Criminal off the streets.

I just did a search on police convicted of planting evidence and found very few cases. Accusations? Sure, anything to get off, but few convictions.

Police gain nothing by breaking the law and planting evidence. They get paid the same whether they lock up one person a year or a thousand.

As far as robbery goes, it has a lot of associated costs. My property value is half of what it was worth 25 years ago because of crime. They closed down all of our major stores including Walmart. They maxed out their insurance coverage before they close, and who pays for insurance in this country? Everybody.