Democracy is at risk

[bripat9643]

How

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

How'd that work out?

There's a reason why people CHOSE to use federal currency.

Banks or anyone else can write their own notes...there's nothing to stop them or you.

Give it a shot a see how it works out!

It worked great. The dollar was worth about twice as much in 1913 as it was worth in 1789. On the other hand, the creation of the Federal Reserve led to black Friday.

Then write your own notes. Don't use federal notes. It's a free country!

BTW - Please don't mix up the proliferation of Federal dollars, which started at the time of the Civil War, with the formation of the Federal Reserve!

It's against the law, moron.

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913, not during the Civil War.

 

[bripat9643]

How

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

How'd that work out?

There's a reason why people CHOSE to use federal currency.

Banks or anyone else can write their own notes...there's nothing to stop them or you.

Give it a shot a see how it works out!

Or use an existing currency detached from governments like Bitcoin.

None of them work remotely as well as a federally backed currency and the reasons are blatantly obvious.

Bitcoin isn't real money. However prior to 1913, Banks printed their own currencies backed by gold.

 

[bripat9643]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Democracy is at risk to the extent as to whom will be allowed to participate.

Republicans are clearly pursuing laws and measures intended to make it more difficult to participate – particularly minority voters perceived to be likely Democratic voters – and laws and measures intended to allow Republican election officials to interfere with or even overturn election results they’re not happy with.

It’s important to remember that Republicans are fundamentally hostile to democracy – they’re the first to rush into any discussion on the topic to exclaim that the United States is a republic, not a democracy; and in our republic it’s the states, not the people, who determine who the president is, who determine who controls the Senate, and who determines who controls the Federal judiciary.

Through these bad-faith laws and measures Republicans seek to control most of the states, and by doing so control the Federal government – contrary to the will of the majority of the people.

Utter horse crap.

 

[bripat9643]

I get what the republicans are doing and I don't agree with it. But our democracy is not at risk because of it. Making it harder for poor people to vote doesn't destroy our democracy it just means we need to work harder.

What concerns me as much as access to voting is whether we're going to see partisan state legislatures also exercise more control over the counting and confirmation/audit processes. Between those three issues, yeah, I'm a little nervous right now.

We already know Democrat state legislatures will slant the plying field in their favor.

 

[bripat9643]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

Thats how our democracy works... Its a representative democracy, a republic which adheres to state and federal laws. Take a civics class.

You mean the laws it makes? What if it gives the government the power to take everything you own?

 

[Slade3200]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

I’m doing just fine. It’s all relative.
Sorry if you’re struggling

It's not "all relative," moron. are you saying there's no difference between a 1200 sq ft house and a 2400 sq ft house?

There’s a 1200 sq ft difference.

 

[Slade3200]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

Thats how our democracy works... Its a representative democracy, a republic which adheres to state and federal laws. Take a civics class.

You mean the laws it makes? What if it gives the government the power to take everything you own?

A democracy hinges on free and fair elections and that’s the greatest shame that Trump brought to this country... a lie that is making millions doubt the power of the vote... all because he is a spoiled sore loser. Such an asshole

 

[bripat9643]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

Thats how our democracy works... Its a representative democracy, a republic which adheres to state and federal laws. Take a civics class.

You mean the laws it makes? What if it gives the government the power to take everything you own?

A democracy hinges on free and fair elections and that’s the greatest shame that Trump brought to this country... a lie that is making millions doubt the power of the vote... all because he is a spoiled sore loser. Such an asshole

Trump didn't bring it to the country. Biden did.

 

[Slade3200]

It’s so funny to see what “crisis” the partisans and media pick next. Now the voting laws are threatening our democracy!!!! Haha. Chill out people. Fine to discuss the voting process, but this hyperbolic end of the world scenario that both sides are painting is nothing more than a marketing tactic. They do it with every topic. Don’t play their game. It’s getting old

Good thing we're not a democracy

Sure we are

So you saying gay marriage is still illegal in California?

Is that what you really think I was saying?

Why you had a dick in your mouth and stuttered something else?


If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal, after all the people of California voted NO.

Thats not true. You must not understand what a democracy is... Why would gay marriage still be illegal in CA?

California held a vote and a clear majority of the people voted against gay marriage. The two groups most strongly against gay marriage were blacks and Hispanics. Naturally Dems ran to the courts to overturn the election and will of the people. So much for democracy, Dems are laughable.

Thats how our democracy works... Its a representative democracy, a republic which adheres to state and federal laws. Take a civics class.

You mean the laws it makes? What if it gives the government the power to take everything you own?

A democracy hinges on free and fair elections and that’s the greatest shame that Trump brought to this country... a lie that is making millions doubt the power of the vote... all because he is a spoiled sore loser. Such an asshole

Trump didn't bring it to the country. Biden did.

Whatever you say tonto

 

[Richard-H]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

Well 330 million people would never be rich with a few million floating around the economy.

Another woke idiot proves he's an economic moron.

Do you actually believe the amount of money the Federal Reserver creates determines how many cars and houses get produced?

First, It's the Treasury dept. that creates money, not the Federal Reserve.

Secondly, the creation of money is just the issuance of authority to activate resources.

When the government creates trillions for an infrastructure bill, it's activating millions of American by creating jobs for them. It purchasing millions of dollars of goods as materials for the infrastructure, creating millions of dollars of profits for contractors who in turn create jobs and invest in other enterprises.

Ultimately, as more resources get activated, more people can purchase houses and cars...markets are created and then yes, more houses and cars get built to meet the market demand.

It's called 'consumer economics', which has always worked well, as opposed to 'supply-side economics' which has always been a total failure.

 

[pknopp]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

Well 330 million people would never be rich with a few million floating around the economy.

Another woke idiot proves he's an economic moron.

Do you actually believe the amount of money the Federal Reserver creates determines how many cars and houses get produced?

First, It's the Treasury dept. that creates money, not the Federal Reserve.

Secondly, the creation of money is just the issuance of authority to activate resources.

When the government creates trillions for an infrastructure bill, it's activating millions of American by creating jobs for them. It purchasing millions of dollars of goods as materials for the infrastructure, creating millions of dollars of profits for contractors who in turn create jobs and invest in other enterprises.

Ultimately, as more resources get activated, more people can purchase houses and cars...markets are created and then yes, more houses and cars get built to meet the market demand.

It's called 'consumer economics', which has always worked well, as opposed to 'supply-side economics' which has always been a total failure.

That's great if it was just used to build houses. It's used to build up the stock markets also.

 

[bripat9643]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

Well 330 million people would never be rich with a few million floating around the economy.

Another woke idiot proves he's an economic moron.

Do you actually believe the amount of money the Federal Reserver creates determines how many cars and houses get produced?

First, It's the Treasury dept. that creates money, not the Federal Reserve.

Thanks for proving that you're a moron. The treasury mints coins, but the Federal Reserve prints notes. It also creates money simply by changing a few bits in computers.

Secondly, the creation of money is just the issuance of authority to activate resources.

Meaningless bullshit.

When the government creates trillions for an infrastructure bill, it's activating millions of American by creating jobs for them. It purchasing millions of dollars of goods as materials for the infrastructure, creating millions of dollars of profits for contractors who in turn create jobs and invest in other enterprises.

Yeah, we've heard all the leftwing propaganda about how spending money we don't have is beneficial.

Ultimately, as more resources get activated, more people can purchase houses and cars...markets are created and then yes, more houses and cars get built to meet the market demand.

It's called 'consumer economics', which has always worked well, as opposed to 'supply-side economics' which has always been a total failure.

Hmm, wrong. your belief that printing money creates houses and cars is utter horseshit. How did this stuff get created before the Federal Reserve existed?

"Consumer economics" is government propaganda.

There is only one kind of economics.

 

[Utilitarian]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

I agree, it's been fixed since day one...

This is one of those rare moments we agree.

 

[FA_Q2]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Those are the symptoms of the diluting of the sovereignty of the legislative branch. It has been a slow erosion. The legislators/representatives have been corrupted by the outside forces that the checks and balances failed to guard.

Corruption comes from the millions of dollars needed to be raised to win elections

No, it does not.

Yes, it does.

No, it does not and claiming it so is asinine.

Do you think that North Korea is corrupt? Russia? China? Mexico?

None of those systems are corrupt because large sums of money are required to gain political power. They are corrupt because power is centralized with few or one person. Corruption DOES NOT come from money in politics, it comes from the consolidation of power.

 

[Slade3200]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Those are the symptoms of the diluting of the sovereignty of the legislative branch. It has been a slow erosion. The legislators/representatives have been corrupted by the outside forces that the checks and balances failed to guard.

Corruption comes from the millions of dollars needed to be raised to win elections

No, it does not.

Yes, it does.

No, it does not and claiming it so is asinine.

Do you think that North Korea is corrupt? Russia? China? Mexico?

None of those systems are corrupt because large sums of money are required to gain political power. They are corrupt because power is centralized with few or one person. Corruption DOES NOT come from money in politics, it comes from the consolidation of power.

Are you under the impression that there is only a singular cause of corruption in politics? If you don’t think money plays a large part then you are a fool

 

[FA_Q2]

How

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

How'd that work out?

There's a reason why people CHOSE to use federal currency.

Banks or anyone else can write their own notes...there's nothing to stop them or you.

Give it a shot a see how it works out!

Or use an existing currency detached from governments like Bitcoin.

None of them work remotely as well as a federally backed currency and the reasons are blatantly obvious.

Bitcoin isn't real money. However prior to 1913, Banks printed their own currencies backed by gold.

It's not 'real' money?

WTF is real money? ALL money, by definition, is simply a placeholder for value. The dollar or even gold used as currency is no more 'real' than Bitcoin is. Such things only hold value because people impart that value to it and there is noting, even gold, that has held value in all societies.

 

[FA_Q2]

Just saying "don't do it," is not going to end it. We need to reorganize the government to properly deliberate issues. The three-part separation theory is improperly deployed and cannot handle the sophistication and diversity that the society has evolved to.

Very interesting point. What do you recommend?

I recommend that we begin figuring out the rules for deliberating issues here at USMB.

If not, then here at US4CC.net

I think campaign financing is a major player in the corruption. I’d start there

No. I highly recommend you start by recognizing a better separation schematic of the government. The checks and balances theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in the separation schematic, then the balance of power is skewed and the checks on power are inaccurate.

Just because the guardians of the Constitution say that there are checks and balances, that does not mean they work correctly.

What do you think isn’t working correctly?

The entire government is a jalopy - it only works, because it is too big to fail. The principles described in the preamble are good, but the operations fail to achieve those goals, because it is a jalopy. You have heard politicians describe the Congress as "broken," they just don't know how to fix it. And it just goes on, and on.

It is quite possible that the Democrats are intent on breaking it completely, because that then will cause the commencement for reordering the government.

Congress is broken because those running it are more concerned with PR and fundraising than actually getting stuff done. That’s why our system is broken

Those are the symptoms of the diluting of the sovereignty of the legislative branch. It has been a slow erosion. The legislators/representatives have been corrupted by the outside forces that the checks and balances failed to guard.

Corruption comes from the millions of dollars needed to be raised to win elections

No, it does not.

Yes, it does.

No, it does not and claiming it so is asinine.

Do you think that North Korea is corrupt? Russia? China? Mexico?

None of those systems are corrupt because large sums of money are required to gain political power. They are corrupt because power is centralized with few or one person. Corruption DOES NOT come from money in politics, it comes from the consolidation of power.

Are you under the impression that there is only a singular cause of corruption in politics? If you don’t think money plays a large part then you are a fool

There is a singular cause, yes. That is the consolidation of power. It is not foolish to claim so by a mile. Money plays a part in our system but remoting it DOES NOT ADDRESS THE UNDERLYING ISSUE. IOW, remove the money and the corruption will simply use another rout. Period.

You can get there in MANY different ways but each way starts at the exact same place - a place where there is massive gains made by controlling a single or few people. Removing money entirely out of politics does nothing to address the source of corruption. I seen the EXACT same problems in the pentagon when I was in the service and those generals were not paid one red cent.... while they were in positions of power. Companies simply bought the generals with future jobs that require no work but oddly pay millions. Same can be done with pols. Block that by law and other means will be found as they ALWAYS are and history proves that over and over and over and over....

Consolidate the power and it is guaranteed that those that stand to gain billions WILL find a way to exploit that consolidation. Demanding otherwise by claiming the corruption here is different is missing the forest for the trees. There is a reason that the founders were focused on checks and balances and not focused on monetary gain. Where they made a major mistake is thinking that the legislative branch would 'jealously' guard their power. They do not because with that power comes a modicum of responsibility. Much easier for them to give all that work to the executive branch which, headed by a single person, absolutely guards its power jealously.

 

[Rigby5]

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

Well 330 million people would never be rich with a few million floating around the economy.

Another woke idiot proves he's an economic moron.

Do you actually believe the amount of money the Federal Reserver creates determines how many cars and houses get produced?

First, It's the Treasury dept. that creates money, not the Federal Reserve.

Secondly, the creation of money is just the issuance of authority to activate resources.

When the government creates trillions for an infrastructure bill, it's activating millions of American by creating jobs for them. It purchasing millions of dollars of goods as materials for the infrastructure, creating millions of dollars of profits for contractors who in turn create jobs and invest in other enterprises.

Ultimately, as more resources get activated, more people can purchase houses and cars...markets are created and then yes, more houses and cars get built to meet the market demand.

It's called 'consumer economics', which has always worked well, as opposed to 'supply-side economics' which has always been a total failure.

Not quite that simple.
The treasury department does the actual printing of currency, but it is controlled by the federal reserve bank, which in theory is mostly private.
{...
The U.S. Federal Reserve controls the supply of money in the U.S., and when it expands that supply it is often described as "printing money." The job of actually printing currency bills belongs to the Treasury Department's Bureau of Engraving and Printing, but the Fed determines exactly how many new bills are printed each year.
...}
The Federal Reserve Bank is controlled by private bank board of directors.
{...
The Federal Reserve System is composed of several layers. It is governed by the presidentially appointed board of governors or Federal Reserve Board (FRB). Twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, located in cities throughout the nation, regulate and oversee privately owned commercial banks.[16][17][18] Nationally chartered commercial banks are required to hold stock in, and can elect some of the board members of, the Federal Reserve Bank of their region. The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) sets monetary policy. It consists of all seven members of the board of governors and the twelve regional Federal Reserve Bank presidents, though only five bank presidents vote at a time (the president of the New York Fed and four others who rotate through one-year voting terms). There are also various advisory councils. Thus, the Federal Reserve System has both public and private components.[list 2] It has a structure unique among central banks, and is also unusual in that the United States Department of the Treasury, an entity outside of the central bank, prints the currency used.[23]
...}

Any way, what you are talking about is called "quantitative easing", which essentially means printing more currency.
And while that does work a bit to stimulate the whole economy, that only works for a short time.
That is because when you print more money, then each bill become worth less and less.
Which then leads to inflation, where sellers compensate for the bill value decrease by increasing prices.
Which then slows and stagnates the economy if you do it too much.
The correct way to do it is to only temporarily inject more currency, but then pull it back out as soon as possible.
Increasing the national debt has the same effect, and requires the same solution of paying it back as soon as possible.

 

[Rigby5]

How

Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

How'd that work out?

There's a reason why people CHOSE to use federal currency.

Banks or anyone else can write their own notes...there's nothing to stop them or you.

Give it a shot a see how it works out!

Or use an existing currency detached from governments like Bitcoin.

None of them work remotely as well as a federally backed currency and the reasons are blatantly obvious.

Bitcoin isn't real money. However prior to 1913, Banks printed their own currencies backed by gold.

It's not 'real' money?

WTF is real money? ALL money, by definition, is simply a placeholder for value. The dollar or even gold used as currency is no more 'real' than Bitcoin is. Such things only hold value because people impart that value to it and there is noting, even gold, that has held value in all societies.

No, bitcoin is only as valuable as what the current desire of investors in it make it.
That has constant wide swings, and there is nothing tangible involved.
For example, bitcoin could go under tomorrow and it would then forever be worth zero.

But the whole point of a gold standard or fiat federal currency, is a pledge to never go under and always redeem some intrinsic value, based at least partly on gold. Obviously even that could fail, such as aliens attacking Ft. Knox, destroying the federal government, and stealing all the gold, but highly unlikely.

I use bitcoin, but only for short terms, because it allows untraceable transactions.
But it is not good for long range investments because there is no way to predict future long range value.

 

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Many of these voting laws are an over reaction to start with.

Agreed. But our democracy is no where near at stake

But but but the government was almost overthrown on Jan 6th in the greatest threat to democracy since that attack on Pearl Harbor.

Civil War...

Meh, lets just divide the country and Dems can do whatever they want on their side of the border. Dems need us we don't need Dems we'll live happily ever after without Dems and the slime left.

If it weren't for the blue states you would be hurting and if it weren't for the Fed gov.

The federal government fucks us up the ass every day.

Speak for yourself buddy, I’m walking just fine. Go get yourself some lube

You're deluding yourself. We would all be much richer if we didn't have to turn over 50% of our income to one branch of government or another.

Any if you didn't pay taxes who would print the money that you love so much?

Banks, like they did a century ago.

Well 330 million people would never be rich with a few million floating around the economy.

Another woke idiot proves he's an economic moron.

Do you actually believe the amount of money the Federal Reserver creates determines how many cars and houses get produced?

First, It's the Treasury dept. that creates money, not the Federal Reserve.

Secondly, the creation of money is just the issuance of authority to activate resources.

When the government creates trillions for an infrastructure bill, it's activating millions of American by creating jobs for them. It purchasing millions of dollars of goods as materials for the infrastructure, creating millions of dollars of profits for contractors who in turn create jobs and invest in other enterprises.

Ultimately, as more resources get activated, more people can purchase houses and cars...markets are created and then yes, more houses and cars get built to meet the market demand.

It's called 'consumer economics', which has always worked well, as opposed to 'supply-side economics' which has always been a total failure.

Not quite that simple.
The treasury department does the actual printing of currency, but it is controlled by the federal reserve bank, which in theory is mostly private.
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The U.S. Federal Reserve controls the supply of money in the U.S., and when it expands that supply it is often described as "printing money." The job of actually printing currency bills belongs to the Treasury Department's Bureau of Engraving and Printing, but the Fed determines exactly how many new bills are printed each year.
...}
The Federal Reserve Bank is controlled by private bank board of directors.
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The Federal Reserve System is composed of several layers. It is governed by the presidentially appointed board of governors or Federal Reserve Board (FRB). Twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, located in cities throughout the nation, regulate and oversee privately owned commercial banks.[16][17][18] Nationally chartered commercial banks are required to hold stock in, and can elect some of the board members of, the Federal Reserve Bank of their region. The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) sets monetary policy. It consists of all seven members of the board of governors and the twelve regional Federal Reserve Bank presidents, though only five bank presidents vote at a time (the president of the New York Fed and four others who rotate through one-year voting terms). There are also various advisory councils. Thus, the Federal Reserve System has both public and private components.[list 2] It has a structure unique among central banks, and is also unusual in that the United States Department of the Treasury, an entity outside of the central bank, prints the currency used.[23]
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Any way, what you are talking about is called "quantitative easing", which essentially means printing more currency.
And while that does work a bit to stimulate the whole economy, that only works for a short time.
That is because when you print more money, then each bill become worth less and less.
Which then leads to inflation, where sellers compensate for the bill value decrease by increasing prices.
Which then slows and stagnates the economy if you do it too much.
The correct way to do it is to only temporarily inject more currency, but then pull it back out as soon as possible.
Increasing the national debt has the same effect, and requires the same solution of paying it back as soon as possible.

Wrong:

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Federal Reserve Note - Wikipedia​

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Federal Reserve Notes, also United States banknotes, are the currently issued banknotes of the United States dollar.[1] The United States Bureau of Engraving and Printing produces the notes under the authority of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913[2] and issues them to the Federal Reserve Banks at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.[2] The Reserve Banks then circulate the notes to their member banks,[3] at which point they become liabilities of the Reserve Banks[4] and obligations of the United States.[2]​