Dem Rep. Jim Himes tells "MAGA" they better think twice about supporting strikes on drug traffickers because they "need to imagine who gets killed ...

[Couchpotato]

That’s the what all you MAGAs say when I won’t play your games. We’re talking Venezuela and you want to deflect to history.

So explain the difference between the two and why one (the drone strike on the US citizen) is fine and the other (the strikes on drug boats) isnt.

 

[martybegan]

The proper procedure is to pull alongside these boats and see what they`re doing. This is another distraction from the Epstein/Trump raping teenyboppers story.

Tried and failed, and puts US personnel at an unnecessary risk.

 

[Couchpotato]

The proper procedure is to pull alongside these boats and see what they`re doing. This is another distraction from the Epstein/Trump raping teenyboppers story.

Says who? Why is it ok to drone strike one entity which the US Government has been designated a terrorist org to include US citizens we can tie to that org and for the other one there are different rules?

 

[martybegan]

Oh darn, WHY was this person in a WAR ZONE?

Again, I didn't care then.

These boats are obviously running drugs that are killing American citizens. Once they get into US territory, we follow our criminal rules, on the open seas, it's plinko time.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah you can't go prosecuting soldiers for following orders.... That has no bottom to it.

Um,first, a lot of these guys committed crimes disobeying orders or rules of engagement.

Secondly, "I was only Following Orders" didn't work for the Nazis; it didn't work for Lt. Calley at My Lai.

 

[JoeB131]

Again, I didn't care then.

These boats are obviously running drugs that are killing American citizens. Once they get into US territory, we follow our criminal rules, on the open seas, it's plinko time.

Obviously?

Where's your proof?

Were drugs recovered from the wreckage?

Venezuela isn't even a major drug hub to the United States. This has nothing to do with drugs and more to do with just ******* with Venezuela.

 

[justoffal]

Um,first, a lot of these guys committed crimes disobeying orders or rules of engagement.

Secondly, "I was only Following Orders" didn't work for the Nazis; it didn't work for Lt. Calley at My Lai.

Shrug ...very bad idea

A soldier can be caught Marshall or even executed for disobeying orders. You don't want to go down that road.

 

[JoeB131]

Shrug ...very bad idea

A soldier can be caught Marshall or even executed for disobeying orders. You don't want to go down that road.

yet that is exactly what happened with these war criminals that Trump pardoned. They disobeyed orders or directives.

 

[justoffal]

Obviously?

Where's your proof?

Were drugs recovered from the wreckage?

Venezuela isn't even a major drug hub to the United States. This has nothing to do with drugs and more to do with just ******* with Venezuela.

You need proof that fentanyl is a killer?
Come on man..... That's carrying reductionism to a ridiculous extreme.
Speed boats heading for the southern coast that have not filed a charter or a trip plan with the United States Coast guard are already illegal regardless of Cargo. I don't buy any of that sorry bullshit about creating widows and orphans.... Fentanyl does plenty of that.

To be honest I don't really care. I think the truck dealers are doing the United States a public service. Give them enough to overdose on after that they're nobody's problem. But that's just me.

 

[martybegan]

Obviously?

Where's your proof?

Were drugs recovered from the wreckage?

Venezuela isn't even a major drug hub to the United States. This has nothing to do with drugs and more to do with just ******* with Venezuela.

it's a pass through point. The inland cartels work with the Venezuelan gangs as shippers.

 

[justoffal]

yet that is exactly what happened with these war criminals that Trump pardoned. They disobeyed orders or directives.

.001% doesn't make for a viable trend.

If you're depending on a volunteer army... Prosecuting soldiers who follow orders is extremely stupid. It's even stupid for conscripts.
War is ugly.... Sometimes you have to do ugly things.... Or if you don't ugly things will be done to you. No matter..... Prosecution of soldiers for following orders is the worst possible outcome.
It's stupid beyond description.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Again, I didn't care then.

These boats are obviously running drugs that are killing American citizens. Once they get into US territory,

They weren't.
They were 1000 miles away.

we follow our criminal rules, on the open seas, it's plinko time.

Not according to international law.

Why didn't Trump charge them?
They're criminals right?

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CNN
https://www.cnn.com › caribbean-boat-strike-survivors
Oct 18, 2025 — The two surviving terrorists are being returned to their Countries of origin, Ecuador and Colombia, for detention and prosecution,” he posted on ...

 

[Couchpotato]

Obviously?

Where's your proof?

Were drugs recovered from the wreckage?

Venezuela isn't even a major drug hub to the United States. This has nothing to do with drugs and more to do with just ******* with Venezuela.

The intelligence system. The reality is though that the admin has designated the Venezuelan drug cartels as terrorist orgs and so any strike against their members would be justified and legal.

 

[JoeB131]

.001% doesn't make for a viable trend.

If you're depending on a volunteer army... Prosecuting soldiers who follow orders is extremely stupid. It's even stupid for conscripts.
War is ugly.... Sometimes you have to do ugly things.... Or if you don't ugly things will be done to you. No matter..... Prosecution of soldiers for following orders is the worst possible outcome.
It's stupid beyond description.

I was in the service for 11 years. I knew the shooting unarmed civlians was wrong.

This isn't complicted at all.

You need proof that fentanyl is a killer?
Come on man..... That's carrying reductionism to a ridiculous extreme.
Speed boats heading for the southern coast that have not filed a charter or a trip plan with the United States Coast guard are already illegal regardless of Cargo. I don't buy any of that sorry bullshit about creating widows and orphans.... Fentanyl does plenty of that.

I don't doubt fentanyl is real, but I doubt that these boats were smuggling it. Why should a Venezuelan boat file a trip plan with the US Coast Guard in international waters?

To be honest I don't really care. I think the truck dealers are doing the United States a public service. Give them enough to overdose on after that they're nobody's problem. But that's just me.

Most of the Fentanyl in this country is produced domestically or coming from Mexico.

Frankly, if you want to really blame someone, blame Big Pharma for handing out opioids like Halloween candy. That's why we have an addiction crisis.

it's a pass through point. The inland cartels work with the Venezuelan gangs as shippers.

Stop drinking the bleach, Marty.

 

[justoffal]

The intelligence system. The reality is though that the admin has designated the Venezuelan drug cartels as terrorist orgs and so any strike against their members would be justified and legal.

Yeah they're not going to share their intelligence with the Dems and they probably shouldn't even share it with the Republicans.... There are too many of them that will run straight to the cartels and giveaway the farm.

 

[justoffal]

I was in the service for 11 years. I knew the shooting unarmed civlians was wrong.

This isn't complicted at all.



I don't doubt fentanyl is real, but I doubt that these boats were smuggling it. Why should a Venezuelan boat file a trip plan with the US Coast Guard in international waters?



Most of the Fentanyl in this country is produced domestically or coming from Mexico.

Frankly, if you want to really blame someone, blame Big Pharma for handing out opioids like Halloween candy. That's why we have an addiction crisis.





Stop drinking the bleach, Marty.

Why would they file a trip plan? The trajectory was clear.... They fully intended to violate international rules of travel. And of course if they're smuggling they're not going to file a trip plan with anybody.

 

[justoffal]

I was in the service for 11 years. I knew the shooting unarmed civlians was wrong.

This isn't complicted at all.



I don't doubt fentanyl is real, but I doubt that these boats were smuggling it. Why should a Venezuelan boat file a trip plan with the US Coast Guard in international waters?



Most of the Fentanyl in this country is produced domestically or coming from Mexico.

Frankly, if you want to really blame someone, blame Big Pharma for handing out opioids like Halloween candy. That's why we have an addiction crisis.





Stop drinking the bleach, Marty.

Frankly, if you want to really blame someone, blame Big Pharma for handing out opioids like Halloween candy. That's why we have an addiction crisis.

I do blame big pharma.... But I also blame the addicts.... In fact I blame the addicts more than I blame the dealers....

 

[kyzr]

Tried and failed, and puts US personnel at an unnecessary risk.

Actually no, those speed boats are way too fast to intercept, but missiles have no problem hitting them.

 

[martybegan]

They weren't.
They were 1000 miles away.

Not according to international law.

Why didn't Trump charge them?
They're criminals right?

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CNN
https://www.cnn.com › caribbean-boat-strike-survivors
Oct 18, 2025 — The two surviving terrorists are being returned to their Countries of origin, Ecuador and Colombia, for detention and prosecution,” he posted on ...

Good for them surviving.

 

[kyzr]

Frankly, if you want to really blame someone, blame Big Pharma for handing out opioids like Halloween candy. That's why we have an addiction crisis. I do blame big pharma.... But I also blame the addicts.... In fact I blame the addicts more than I blame the dealers....

watch the movie "Painkiller", it shows the real story, Purdue hired hookers to swing Drs. to over-prescribe Oxy, the rest is history.

The True Story Behind Netflix's Painkiller

The new drama series uncovers the origins of the opioid crisis

time.com