Dem Rep. Jim Himes tells "MAGA" they better think twice about supporting strikes on drug traffickers because they "need to imagine who gets killed ...

[M14 Shooter]

The President isn't granted unfettered command of the military he's given supreme command of it to conduct operations approved by Congress.

The constitution makes no such specification.

 

[Blaster]

A dead drug dealer is a good thing and should be celebrated.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Tried and failed, and puts US personnel at an unnecessary risk.

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Who was it that said, "We don't negotiate with terrorists"?

Smartest statement ever.

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[Couchpotato]

The constitution makes no such specification.

Ummm Article 1 Section 8.

"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;"

 

[M14 Shooter]

Ummm Article 1 Section 8.
"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;"

The powers of the Commander in Chief are not dependent on a declaration of war by Congress.
Try again?

 

[August West]

A dead drug dealer is a good thing and should be celebrated.

How about the person behind the counter at a liquor store? No drugs have caused the damage that booze has.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

How about the person behind the counter at a liquor store? No drugs have caused the damage that booze has.

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So, you know of some liquor that kills you the first time you use it?

Interesting.




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[August West]

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So, you know of some liquor that kills you the first time you use it?

Interesting.




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Liquor has been known to cause people to cross the center line and wipe out families. First time or 100th time makes no difference.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Liquor has been known to cause people to cross the center line and wipe out families. First time or 100th time makes no difference.

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Okay. Ban liquor.

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[Couchpotato]

The powers of the Commander in Chief are not dependent on a declaration of war by Congress.
Try again?

Sure they are. The Congress funds the military. Can't command an army that doesn't exist. And CiC cant ordeer the military to invade a country (act of war) without the consent of Congress. It's very clear and in black and white. I think you have a false sense of what it means to be in command of something.

 

[Couchpotato]

How about the person behind the counter at a liquor store? No drugs have caused the damage that booze has.

Remind me is liquor illegal?

 

[Marener]

A illegal order can be refused under the UCMJ.

All members of the military have the right, and in some cases have the duty, to refuse illegal orders. Your oath is to the Constitution (which incorporates international treaties ratified by the U.S. on human rights and the law of war), not to the Commander-In-Chief or to any other individual in the chain of command.

FAQ on Refusing Illegal Orders - Military Law Task Force

This FAQ (drafted by members of the MLTF) can also be found in printable PDF format here: Illegal Orders FAQ – 11NOV2025 DoD Instruction 1325.06 permits a servicemember to possess a single copy of this document. FAQs on refusing illegal orders Version 2 – released November 11, 2025 Do I have...

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And if you’re wrong, you can be court marshaled.

So why take the risk?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Sure they are.

Not according to the Constitution

The Congress funds the military.

Which has noting to do with the power of Commander in Chief to order the military into action absent a DoW.

And CiC cant ordeer the military to invade a country (act of war) without the consent of Congress.

The CinC can, and has, committed any number acts of war w/o a DoW by Conngress.

It's very clear and in black and white.

Not according to the Constitution.

I think you have a false sense of what it means to be in command of something.

You have no rational or factual basis for your claim.

 

[kyzr]

Sure they are. The Congress funds the military. Can't command an army that doesn't exist. And CiC cant ordeer the military to invade a country (act of war) without the consent of Congress. It's very clear and in black and white. I think you have a false sense of what it means to be in command of something.

You need to read up on the "War Powers Act"

 

[M14 Shooter]

You need to read up on the "War Powers Act"

I half-expect Trump to take the WPA to court.

 

[Couchpotato]

And if you’re wrong, you can be court marshaled.

So why take the risk?

Because if you commit a war crime you can be prosecuted. Everyone gets classes on the laws of war and what is and isn't a lawful order. That shit starts in boot camp and continues throughout your career.

 

[Marener]

Because if you commit a war crime you can be prosecuted. Everyone gets classes on the laws of war and what is and isn't a lawful order. That shit starts in boot camp and continues throughout your career.

Prosecuted by who exactly?

 

[kyzr]

I half-expect Trump to take the WPA to court.

Not sure they would have any say? Its between congress and the WH, isn't it?
Pretty sure the GOP House would green light Trump's war on the drug cartels.

 

[Couchpotato]

Prosecuted by who exactly?

They would be court martialed.

 

[Marener]

They would be court martialed.

It seems pretty unlikely that Trump would court martial soldiers for obeying his orders.

Don’t you think?