Iceweasel
Diamond Member
And we can blame them for it but I also place blame on the media that put obama in the best light possible and his opponents the worse. I still blame Americans though because they should know the media is rigged too.
Delegates....a rigged system?
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jillian
Princess
government does scientific research better. - Government has developed so little of the technology driving us, this is ridiculous
government does not for profit education better -Yeah, the most expensive schools in the west with the worst results. I want more of that, baby! Not
government does social security just fine - A trust fund with no money that's growing ever more crippling on our children. Yeah, that's swell.
Three of the biggest wastes of our economic assets, that's what you named
Nothing you said is accurate. But I understand it fits your talking points
Nothing you said is accurate. But I understand it fits your talking points
government does scientific research better. - Government has developed so little of the technology driving us, this is ridiculous
government does not for profit education better -
government does social security just fine - A trust fund with no money that's growing ever more crippling on our children. Yeah, that's swell.
Three of the biggest wastes of our economic assets, that's what you named
Nothing you said is accurate. But I understand it fits your talking points
jillian
Princess
you're so ignorant and deluded.
jillian
Princess
Nothing you said is accurate. But I understand it fits your talking points
government does scientific research better. - Government has developed so little of the technology driving us, this is ridiculous
government does not for profit education better -
government does social security just fine - A trust fund with no money that's growing ever more crippling on our children. Yeah, that's swell.
Three of the biggest wastes of our economic assets, that's what you named
Nothing you said is accurate. But I understand it fits your talking points
Poor baby. Can't even work out your own material so have to plagiarize. No worries. You keep lying. We'll keep laughing at you
What he said was dead on. What did you disagree with? Or you're just here to spam?
boedicca
Uppity Water Nymph from the Land of Funk
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The whole freakin' system is rigged, bub.
Cronyism has mostly killed off liberty.
Nothing you said is accurate. But I understand it fits your talking points
government does scientific research better. - Government has developed so little of the technology driving us, this is ridiculous
government does not for profit education better -
government does social security just fine - A trust fund with no money that's growing ever more crippling on our children. Yeah, that's swell.
Three of the biggest wastes of our economic assets, that's what you named
Nothing you said is accurate. But I understand it fits your talking points
Poor baby. Can't even work out your own material so have to plagiarize. No worries. You keep lying. We'll keep laughing at you
You really don't get it, do you? I'd say damn all those concussions from your head banking the head board while you earned a living, but I doubt you were very smart before that either
I think the problem really rests with the gullibility of the voters. The system would change if people cared about it rather than their team winning.
The Iraqis for example as much as they hated and distrusted Hussein still basically believed everything the Iraqi media told them. I don't see any real difference between that and Americans
Pete7469
Diamond Member
oreo
Gold Member
Any Presidential caucus state can be manipulated. They typically have very low voter turnout--as not many are going to bother to get out on a Tuesday night to sit around a 3 hour meeting to cast a vote. They are typically won by underdog candidates, who's supporters are willing to put up with the pain for the meeting. They in no way represent the overwhelming sentiment of that state (for either party). Why their use hasn't been challenged in a Presidential primary is beyond belief. They disenfranchise, overseas military, the Elderly, young parents with children who can't get a babysitter, the sick, and people who work during the caucus time period.
I live in Colorado--and who screwed Trump out of his rightfully earned DELEGATES were the Tea Party aka the right wing of the Republican party. The grass roots of the party did it. These are the people who have continually fought against a Presidential primary in this state. They threatened 4 state senators that initially were in favor of a primary last year, and these senators backed out because of pressure from the right wing of the party. Unfortunately for Donald Trump supporters, they were also Ted Cruz delegates.
Revealed: Colorado Lawmakers Who Voted to Scrap Election Are Ted Cruz Delegates - Breitbart
HUGGY
I Post Because I Care
That was a nice simple analogy of what can happen when the original intent of a party is skewed off the rails when a large number of people with their own agenda are invited in. That is exactly what happened to the GOP. Reagan and Bush worked hard to get the well organized Christian Coalition working for the republican party. They had access to a fantastic grass roots, from the ground up organization. The Christians started entering candidates in every local election they could and as they saw the results in nearly every community they inserted their people in most local elections they saw the path to changing national election outcomes using the GOP brand.
Where things really went sideways for the GOP was when Newt Gingrich went hard to get the position of Speaker of The House so he could have a say in nearly all important business of the country. He was the father of the hate rhetoric towards the dems. His leadership installed the methods of using the constant name calling and making sure that republicans ALWAYS referred to their opposition as evil. He personally demonized the dems from his position of leadership and power and that way of constant disrespect has stuck with the GOP to this day.
I feel you. And thankfully we have ubiquitous government power to fix that!
thanatos144
Gold Member
This is a primary. Not a general. Why does that confuse you so much?
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Cecilie1200
Diamond Member
They're no more "deeply involved" with the government than any group of citizens attempting to influence the policies of the government that affect their lives. They're private organizations. Being organized to affect public policy rather than organized to generate income changes that not in the slightest. There is no amount of "Ehrmagerd, they want to get a candidate elected, that means they're GOVERNMENT!" that will make that true.
They aren't doing anything that you aren't doing, really, except they're working harder at it, spending more money on it, and being more effective at it.
Cecilie1200
Diamond Member
You're saying that tax cuts didn't add massive amounts to the debt?
You just can't help yourself from changing the argument when you are losing, can you?
We're talking about the DEBT not the DEFICIT.
Go take that nap!
No, they didn't. Particularly as I said in a real sense as opposed to a nominal one. Tax cuts trigger economic activity that offsets the decreased tax revenue. But only if you believe economists instead of lawyers.
Despite Reagan's tax cuts, tax revenue doubled under his administration
*cough* Decreased tax percentage. The revenue itself actually increases. It's the difference between taking 25% of $100, or 10% of $1000.
That's nice. But, um, they only have VOTES in an actual Election. In primaries, they just have preferences.
The people have no business thinking they have rights that they don't. Political parties need to care what the voters think in a practical sense, because it's very hard to persuade them to give support if they don't, but they have no legal obligation to them whatsoever.
If you don't like what they do, don't support them. Simple as that.
HUGGY
I Post Because I Care
Successful delegates would define the system as carefully "designed" to achieve results out of a chaotic process that really only demands that you know the rules and simply show up with some ability to promote a certain candidate. The popularity or the previous success of a candidate is secondary to a well prepared delegate that can convince others of the benefits of getting behind the candidate the delegates are promoting at the caucuses.
Trump has just as much opportunity to "plant" his supporters at the caucuses as any candidate does. It is just a sensible way to showcase candidates as must build a coalition of like minded delegates.
At some point the parties have to start narrowing down the number of candidates. There has to be a way to offer the candidates more power heading into the convention. That is the purpose of the debates. That is the way the states pick their delegates.
At the end in the general election every voter has his say. The voter can choose to vote for the candidate offered by the party or write in whomever the voter desires. It isn't cheating to have a well oiled machine that convinces the state delegates their candidate is the best representative heading into the general election.
It looks to me that Trump is long on bravado when on stage and light on organization at some of the caucuses.
Trump has just as much opportunity to "plant" his supporters at the caucuses as any candidate does. It is just a sensible way to showcase candidates as must build a coalition of like minded delegates.
At some point the parties have to start narrowing down the number of candidates. There has to be a way to offer the candidates more power heading into the convention. That is the purpose of the debates. That is the way the states pick their delegates.
At the end in the general election every voter has his say. The voter can choose to vote for the candidate offered by the party or write in whomever the voter desires. It isn't cheating to have a well oiled machine that convinces the state delegates their candidate is the best representative heading into the general election.
It looks to me that Trump is long on bravado when on stage and light on organization at some of the caucuses.
Toro
Diamond Member
A political party is a private organization, not a branch of the government. Political parties can choose their delegates and Presidential candidates any way they wish.
One could argue that the will of the people isn't being represented when one candidate has 37% of the votes and 46% of the delegates. Perhaps to be truly representative, the candidate who receives 37% of the vote should receive 37% of the delegates.
And Trump's numbers would have been lower had states allowed only Republicans to pick the Republican candidate rather than allow non-Republicans to participate in open primaries.
That's what's so ironic. The candidate who is doing all the bitching and complaining about how rigged the system is has benefited the most from receiving disproportionately more delegates than votes.
Instead of whining incessantly like the sore loser he is, perhaps Trump should have understood all the rules and "hired the best people" to run his campaigns in the states. It doesn't bode well for how he would run the country if he can't organize a Presidential campaign.
Iceweasel
Diamond Member
I'm on par with the Republican and Democratic national parties? You are living in denial, that must be your problem.
The entire election process on local, state and federal government is run through them. How does that not speak to you?
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