Delegates....a rigged system?

[JimBowie1958]

Restricting free speech is never a good idea.

Dont be ridiculous, no one has the right to advocate acts like murder. No one has the right to use speech that would result in the deaths of innocent people or violates agreed to regulations passed into law. Broadcasting on illegal radio wave lengths is not protected by the Frist Amendment nor shouting fire in a crowded theater etc.

There are plenty of times that speech is wisely and Constitutionally restricted, dude.

Obviously you took me way out of context. "Advocating murder" isn't clear enough. If I advocate murder should be generally legal, sure, it's protected speech. If I'm threatening the murder of a person then the threat is illegal, not the speech. Your argument is like my saying driving a car should be legal. You come back with oh yeah, what if you're driving away from a robbery! That's aiding and abetting, a crime! Yes, aiding and abetting is illegal, not driving cars. Y

ou can say the exact same threat words in a different context (say it in your room) or you can write it or someone can repeat it. You could just make a throat slashing gesture. The question is still is it a threat, not is is free speech

The advocacy oif murder is not protected by the First Amendment, dimwit, no matter how you spin it.

Bull, it's not against the law to advocate changing the law. Stop being thick

That is not what I said, moron.

And what about all the other special interests, that's OK? Unions where their money is forced by government from all the workers? Why is that right? Why can't my for profit donate but special interest non-profits do it.

The only solution to government is limiting it's size, that is the only way to not play an endless game of whack a mole

No, there are other 'solutions' as well; why do peopp[le take this 'There can be only One Solution' Highlander perspective on every problem?

And NONPROFIT corporations/groups would be OK, yes, that is why I specified that only for-profit corporations donations and ads should be banned, and **** the Supreme Courts bullshit, change it by Amendment from an Article V convention.

All you did was repeat your position. Why should a generator of economic activity have it's speech restricted while a left wing nut "non profit" who want to destroy corporations be unlimited? Why should unions who use government mandated and enforced dues be able to use all their members money including those who oppose them?

And again, it's flagrantly Unconstitutional, how you going to deal with that? You haven't proposed any solution, all you did it restrict one arbitrary group who influence government

The SCOTUS decision giving corporations the same rights as people and declaring to be legally people is degenerate, absurd and unjust.

If we have to pas a Constitutional amendment to do it we must do it to prevent for-profit corporations from buying the whole political system as they have done now for some time.

This would be apparent to anyone other than an ideological idiot Libertarian.

Explain how if I pool my money in an economic endeavor, I lose my Constitutional rights. Show where that is in the Constitution.

And again, wow, corporations are only one area corrupting our political process and yet they're the only one you're dealing with. Seriously, you don't see the leftist groups as just as big a threat?

Also, I'm a libertarian, not a Libertarian. And I'm advocating the ONLY solution that would work. You can't change that government is corrupted, you can reduce it's ability to do damage by minimizing it's size

Again, that is not what I said.

Take a remedial reading class.

 

[Toro]

Trump supporters bitching and whining is predictable. FFS most of them think Obama was born in Kenya or isn't eligible to be President, so they aren't top drawer intellectually.

Trump whining and complaining that he doesn't know how the system works, or at least didn't organize for it (unlike Cruz), does not bode well for Trump's argument that he is the most competent and will hire the best people.

 

[Toro]

BTW, Trump has won 37% of the votes and 46% of the delegates.

And yet Trump supporters think that the system is rigged.

At first glance, it looks like the system is rigged for Trump. He has won more delegates than votes by a wide margin.

Of course, that's a dumb argument.

Just like Trump's argument that the system is rigged.

Know the rules, and don't ***** like a little girl when you lose.

 

[HUGGY]

My whole family has been republican. It goes back several generations before my birth.

There are many types of christians. Some are so because they have a lot to apologize for. You know what I am talking about don't you Sport.

Your unnatural interest in me probably requires several "confessions" a week.

You telling USMB false alarm.

Hard to say what "you telling". You sound retarded. I wish you guys would disclaim your posts with an admission that you are mentally defective.

Who "thanks" you more, the right or the left? We both know the answer to that one

What are you? A junior high daddy's girl *****? I could not care any less what mosy people here or anywhere think of my input. In spite of that you can see for yourself my ratings are in the several thousands.

The "average" voter doesn't come here to talk politics. There are 320 million plus Americans and 36 thousand + members at USMB.. and only seriously a handfull of that number active participants. Frankly I get most of my thank you's from independent thinkers with higher education than from the knuckle draggers that cannot or will not think for themselves. Many of the more active posters here are devout religious followers so as one would expect I have alienated them. Big whoop! The Flat Earth Society's opinions are not really my concern.

 

[HUGGY]

Trump supporters bitching and whining is predictable. FFS most of them think Obama was born in Kenya or isn't eligible to be President, so they aren't top drawer intellectually.

Trump whining and complaining that he doesn't know how the system works, or at least didn't organize for it (unlike Cruz), does not bode well for Trump's argument that he is the most competent and will hire the best people.

Duh! Ya think?

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

Another example of how our primary system is rigged.

Trump had won the 7th districts vote, but the Cruz slimeballs wanted to steal the delegate slots with fraudulent Trump delegates.

Trump Supporters Walk Out of Georgia Delegate Fight After Party Picks Cruz Supporter...'Uproar in the Hall' - Breitbart

A Cruz-Rubio alliance at the district convention in Buford, Georgia helped to knock Trump supporters out of the district’s national delegation altogether. Cruz supporters implied that Trump’s people would “embarrass” the district at the convention in Cleveland. Then things got heated.

“This morning, I attended Georgia 7th Congressional District GOP convention as a delegate and a Donald Trump supporter. We were there to elect the 3 delegates and 3 alternates to the national convention,” Ronnie Kurtz told Breitbart News. “Per the primary results, two slots were for Trump, and one was for Rubio.
Ted Cruz finished third in the primary and had no delegates allotted to him…Nonetheless, the hall was stacked with Cruz delegates.”....

So on the next ballot it came time to replace one or all of those delegates with new people. The Cruz supporters managed to knock out Dooley, the one Trump supporter. Kurtz described what happened:

When it came time for nominations from the floor, the Cruz bloc, which I believe had the numbers to install whoever they wanted, did not challenge the Rubio delegate. Only the true Trump supporter, Debbie Dooley, was challenged. Two Cruz supporters argued in favor of their alternative delegate, a Mr. David Hancock, on the premise that he had ‘been in the party from the beginning’ and ‘wouldn’t embarrass us at the convention.’ The convention was given no time to ask questions of the candidates on the basis that ‘the nominating committee has already interviewed them for you’. The Cruz people succeeded in voting in their delegate over Trump’s Debbie Dooley.

So, completely ignoring the state GOP bylaws that state that Trump should have gotten two of those delegates, the Cruz people elected two people who were fake Trump delegates, which is fraud, no matter how universal the practice may be.

We need national standards for primaries and all delegate allotment based on the results of the primaries with a uniform and reasonable method.

Maybe we can get Trump to stop whining like a little *****. "Unfair!"

I can see Trump being at a Yankees game and screaming that 'stealing a base' is unfair.

What is up with your constant whines? What is your excuse?

 

[kaz]

That you can't say anything that a Republican would say and a Democrat wouldn't is proof. Challenge any actual Republican on the board to that question, they'll say no sweat.

What you also haven't explained is why disagreeing with the Supreme Court when they stopped the Florida court from stealing the election for the Democrats is why that suddenly triggered an epiphany that the Democrats are right on every other issue too. An epiphany that wouldn't have happened (sic) if it hadn't been for the W election.

How are you a Republican? Simple question, yet it's completely stumped you. All you have is oh yeah, prove I'm not! lol

I'll go first, I wrote an OP for it. Here's how I'm a small government libertarian:

What is a small government libertarian?

You're a Republican how? I mean in a way other than saying things Democrats would agree with as well ...

With me it is personal. I hate libs. Not because some fags in DC said it must be so but because Dems and Libs stole my inheritance. Republicans USED to believe in the right to pass wealth and property down to family. My grandparents were wealthy. They purchased 167 acres on Orcas Island on the water as insurance for their son's/daughters and their children would always have a place to call home regardless of what else happened in the world. The Libs and Dems of Island county and those that represented them committed fraud and stole the land. This theft amounted to several million dollars. I won't go into the specifics of how this occurred but I resent that it did happen. I hate dems and libs with the heat of a white hot burning sun.

Pebble Cove Farm

This USED to be my families inheritance. It was bought and paid for with the express desire that it would always be in my family. As I mentioned I have a very personal issue with dems and libs. I loved my grandparents very much and they I and my siblings. My mom was a little nutty and her mental state accommodated the theft but THEY took full advantage. Like I said, with me it is very personal.

Now go ahead and show this "proof" that I "love" the dems and the libs. Otherwise shut the **** up you libertarian ******.

OK, I'll agree on the one issue. Inheretence is a Republican position Democrats want intheretence taxed away

So I searched and looked at seven random posts where I was responding to you or you were at least in the chain. I mean by that I started from a random point and picked the first seven hits from there. I didn't go through hits and pick the ones I wanted.

1) You defended Obama in Benghazi saying he "wasn't there" (clearly Democrat)

2) You defended Fluke wanting government to ensure she gets free contraceptives from her insurer(clearly Democrat)

3) You generally criticized religion (neutral)

4) You thought because I don't want government to take money from some citizens and give it to others that I'm an anarchist (clearly Democrat)

5) You said the problem isn't Islamic Fundamentalism, it's just any religious extremist (clearly Democrat)

6) You argued that anyone who thinks Obama has spent too much and accumulated debt thinks that Obama is the only President to put on debt (clearly Democrat)

7) You said you'd never vote for a Mormon to be President

I'll give you 7 as neutral even though Democrats pounded that one, and 3 was stated not particularly in a way supporting either side, but the other 5 are clearly Democrat

#1 I generally defend the position and office of the president. The mindless disregard of THE OFFICE I find repugnant. I do not go out of my way to support Obama policy. The constant insults and bringing the functionality of the government to a standstill is unnecessary and anti American. I respect the fact that Obama won fair and square. Sue me. I didn't vote for him but that's the way it goes. If the GOP had a more appealing candidate the GOP would have a sitting president.

#2 Nonsense. Provide a link.

#3 I ALWAYS criticize religion. Bunk is bunk. That just makes me intelligent and hard to fool.

#4 Again with the made up crap? I NEVER said you were an anarchist. I said you were a thief. That was before I read your post explaining what being a Libertarian means to you. I withdraw the accusation.

#5 You twisted my words. All religist extremism causes problems in the world. I have never supported muslims. As stated earlier all religion is hogwash. It is ALL a fraud. BTW religions, especially christian based religions, steal property telling the elderly that it will ensure their place in heaven. I have seen this happen first hand. Another reason to hate religion.

Being intelligent I can visualize being in someone else's shoes. Obviously you cannot. It helps me understand why others do what they do to a large extent. I understand the anger of the islamic terrorists just as I understand my Irish relatives back in the old country for hating the English. We have wronged many innocent Arabs and Muslims. If I were in their shoes I would have done the same or worse. I have no problem with righteous personal revenge. Ideological revenge is pure nonsense but when your own innocent relatives get blown to red mist that's a game changer. If it happened to my family you wouldn't want to be in my way.

#6 You are back to lying. I never said or implied any such thing. Prove it with a link. Obviously you cannot so shove it you ******* liar.

#7 I meant it. The Mormans are the most thieving of all the religions in the twentieth century. I certainly would not vote for anyone as much a snake as Romney. They way he made his personal fortune was and is disgusting.

I am not going to go on and on with this. I gave you my very good reason to hate libs and dems. Go look at the link I provided and take a gander at what they stole from my family. If that isn't reason enough then you are a blithering idiot.

1) Benghazi - So we shouldn't investigate what happened because you generally support the President? Ridiculous

2) Defending Fluke sure makes it sound like, you know, you're supporting her position ...

3) Wasn't in contention

4) You withdrew, I accept

5) Obama - Saying that criticizing Obama for any debt means we're criticizing him for all our national debt is ridiculous, you explain what that means how it's not pro-Democrat

6) I lied? Here you go:

Everyone with half a brain knows that Fundamentalism in all religion is the problem.

Comparing any religion to the Islamic carnage across the world is preposterous

7) No Mormon - You hate the religion so you hate every individual in the religion? Typical Democrat bigotry

General. Yes, you explained why you "hate" Democrats. What you didn't explain is why you keep supporting their positions, other than inheritance, anyway. And seriously, your claim it was Bush/Gore that flipped you? Seriously? Bush/Gore flipped you where the SC just said the Florida recount had to follow Florida law after Democrats personally fucked you? Really?

Look.. It is clear that you are desperate to prove a point. Unfortunately you are wrong and your point is not going to get any better flogging it.

Compounding your stubbornness is your reading comprehension skills which are very sad. There is a distinct difference between supporting the man and respecting the office. I do not HATE Obama. Because a few republicans keep ginning up the ObamaHateMill? Sorry, I can think for myself. I can process information just fine thank you. Contrary to many here on USMB that have been running around with their hair on fire for 7 and a half years sceaming that Obama has destroyed the country it simply isn't true. The economy has improved steadily. The recovery we have enjoyed is more robust than in any part of the globe. Stating otherwise is just simply ignoring the truth.

As unfortunate as Benghazi was many have been led by the nose to proclaim the misreporting of the cause of that attack as the worst thing that has EVER occurred in U S history. So sorry again you idjits..it's not even in the top 100... Not even in the top 1000! And the e-mail BS? God save you people if you ever get a hangnail! Good grief! I get it that you feel obligated to disparage Clinton and the dems at every possible opportunity but guess what! I just don't care! I can think of a million things better to do with my time than to be constantly nipping at Hillary's and Obama's heels.

You are just poor losers plain and simple. Here is a plan.. promote better candidates to the American public and you will win. THEN you can take a big breath and drop your whiny crybaby mommy took away your binky routine.

I am not a poor sport. The public voted they way they did INSPITE of Citizens United and the Koch brothers fortune so what does that tell you? The GOP's candidates SUCK!!! But NNNOOOooo...!!!! You guys don't get it! You would rather have a seven and a half year hissy fit than address the REAL problem.

Here is a clue! Go find yourselves an Eisenhower or a Goldwater that inspires the majority of American voters and all your problems will be solved.

As for "the Morman".. Romney is a Bishop in the Morman church. Why not just cut to the chase and elect the friggin POPE as our CIC????? What is it about the words I HATE RELIGION that you do not understand????

Remember not so long ago I explained why I absolutely detest the dems and libs??? Well guess what! I love my family and after I left Orcas Island to strike out on my own early in high school BOTH of my brothers were BEATEN for not participating in reciting christian prayers in the classroom of Nellie S Milton School. **** religion!!!!!!!!! **** it all in the ASS!!!!! Like I have said MANY times IT IS PERSONAL!!!

As for Fluke.. I tried to make it clear that since I don't sport a C*NT most women's issues are non of my friggin business.

#5???? I never said any such thing. I have no idea what you are referring to.

#6 Fundamentalism in religion is believing in and acting on fairy tales.. many written when most people believed the sun revlolved around the earth.. IMHO that is just the epitome of foolishness. Criticizing me for rejecting that kind of stupidity doesn't deserve an answer.

Gotcha, if I respond to our posts, I'm "desperate to prove a point." So what point are you desperate to prove since you're responding to mine?

As for the voices in your head, I never said Benghazi rated anywhere on the most important lists much less that it was #1 or top 100 or anything, so I don't know what you're talking about. Clearly the military said different things than the administration. Hell yeah that should be investigated. I don't think the White House or Hillary intentionally murdered those four people, but I think they did underplay the response for diplomatic reasons and they covered that up. Ask Nixon if covering ups matter.

As for Fluke, first of all, she made her sex life public discussion by demanding free contraceptives. And no one is saying what she should do regarding rolling in the hay. Your answer is ridiculous, the question is if we should have to pay for it or not. That is clearly our business. You don't have to have a vagina to have the view that what she does with it is her business, but it should be on her own nickle or between herself and her insurance company, not government to use force to make other people pay for it.

And despite your further explanations on why you agree with the left on every issue we discuss, you continue to agree with the left on every issue. You hate the left for ******* you and your family, but the SC making the Florida courts follow Florida law turned you for them? That's ridiculous. As is that the SC decision made you not want to investigate Democrats Presidents, the SC made you support government forcing us all to pay for contraceptives, the SC made you think Christian extremists are doing as much harm as Muslims ones.

Dude, you can chose to not be a Democrat, but if you don't chose that and claim you did, you're in a position to be informed of that.

And you called me a liar for saying you didn't say other religious radicals are as destructive as Muslim ones, and I showed you the quote. Man up to an apology on that one point at least

 

[kaz]

My whole family has been republican. It goes back several generations before my birth.

There are many types of christians. Some are so because they have a lot to apologize for. You know what I am talking about don't you Sport.

Your unnatural interest in me probably requires several "confessions" a week.

You telling USMB false alarm.

Hard to say what "you telling". You sound retarded. I wish you guys would disclaim your posts with an admission that you are mentally defective.

Who "thanks" you more, the right or the left? We both know the answer to that one

What are you? A junior high daddy's girl *****? I could not care any less what mosy people here or anywhere think of my input. In spite of that you can see for yourself my ratings are in the several thousands.

The "average" voter doesn't come here to talk politics. There are 320 million plus Americans and 36 thousand + members at USMB.. and only seriously a handfull of that number active participants. Frankly I get most of my thank you's from independent thinkers with higher education than from the knuckle draggers that cannot or will not think for themselves. Many of the more active posters here are devout religious followers so as one would expect I have alienated them. Big whoop! The Flat Earth Society's opinions are not really my concern.

Exactly, you get them from leftists who agree with you, they agree with you because ...

 

[HUGGY]

With me it is personal. I hate libs. Not because some fags in DC said it must be so but because Dems and Libs stole my inheritance. Republicans USED to believe in the right to pass wealth and property down to family. My grandparents were wealthy. They purchased 167 acres on Orcas Island on the water as insurance for their son's/daughters and their children would always have a place to call home regardless of what else happened in the world. The Libs and Dems of Island county and those that represented them committed fraud and stole the land. This theft amounted to several million dollars. I won't go into the specifics of how this occurred but I resent that it did happen. I hate dems and libs with the heat of a white hot burning sun.

Pebble Cove Farm

This USED to be my families inheritance. It was bought and paid for with the express desire that it would always be in my family. As I mentioned I have a very personal issue with dems and libs. I loved my grandparents very much and they I and my siblings. My mom was a little nutty and her mental state accommodated the theft but THEY took full advantage. Like I said, with me it is very personal.

Now go ahead and show this "proof" that I "love" the dems and the libs. Otherwise shut the **** up you libertarian ******.

OK, I'll agree on the one issue. Inheretence is a Republican position Democrats want intheretence taxed away

So I searched and looked at seven random posts where I was responding to you or you were at least in the chain. I mean by that I started from a random point and picked the first seven hits from there. I didn't go through hits and pick the ones I wanted.

1) You defended Obama in Benghazi saying he "wasn't there" (clearly Democrat)

2) You defended Fluke wanting government to ensure she gets free contraceptives from her insurer(clearly Democrat)

3) You generally criticized religion (neutral)

4) You thought because I don't want government to take money from some citizens and give it to others that I'm an anarchist (clearly Democrat)

5) You said the problem isn't Islamic Fundamentalism, it's just any religious extremist (clearly Democrat)

6) You argued that anyone who thinks Obama has spent too much and accumulated debt thinks that Obama is the only President to put on debt (clearly Democrat)

7) You said you'd never vote for a Mormon to be President

I'll give you 7 as neutral even though Democrats pounded that one, and 3 was stated not particularly in a way supporting either side, but the other 5 are clearly Democrat

#1 I generally defend the position and office of the president. The mindless disregard of THE OFFICE I find repugnant. I do not go out of my way to support Obama policy. The constant insults and bringing the functionality of the government to a standstill is unnecessary and anti American. I respect the fact that Obama won fair and square. Sue me. I didn't vote for him but that's the way it goes. If the GOP had a more appealing candidate the GOP would have a sitting president.

#2 Nonsense. Provide a link.

#3 I ALWAYS criticize religion. Bunk is bunk. That just makes me intelligent and hard to fool.

#4 Again with the made up crap? I NEVER said you were an anarchist. I said you were a thief. That was before I read your post explaining what being a Libertarian means to you. I withdraw the accusation.

#5 You twisted my words. All religist extremism causes problems in the world. I have never supported muslims. As stated earlier all religion is hogwash. It is ALL a fraud. BTW religions, especially christian based religions, steal property telling the elderly that it will ensure their place in heaven. I have seen this happen first hand. Another reason to hate religion.

Being intelligent I can visualize being in someone else's shoes. Obviously you cannot. It helps me understand why others do what they do to a large extent. I understand the anger of the islamic terrorists just as I understand my Irish relatives back in the old country for hating the English. We have wronged many innocent Arabs and Muslims. If I were in their shoes I would have done the same or worse. I have no problem with righteous personal revenge. Ideological revenge is pure nonsense but when your own innocent relatives get blown to red mist that's a game changer. If it happened to my family you wouldn't want to be in my way.

#6 You are back to lying. I never said or implied any such thing. Prove it with a link. Obviously you cannot so shove it you ******* liar.

#7 I meant it. The Mormans are the most thieving of all the religions in the twentieth century. I certainly would not vote for anyone as much a snake as Romney. They way he made his personal fortune was and is disgusting.

I am not going to go on and on with this. I gave you my very good reason to hate libs and dems. Go look at the link I provided and take a gander at what they stole from my family. If that isn't reason enough then you are a blithering idiot.

1) Benghazi - So we shouldn't investigate what happened because you generally support the President? Ridiculous

2) Defending Fluke sure makes it sound like, you know, you're supporting her position ...

3) Wasn't in contention

4) You withdrew, I accept

5) Obama - Saying that criticizing Obama for any debt means we're criticizing him for all our national debt is ridiculous, you explain what that means how it's not pro-Democrat

6) I lied? Here you go:

Everyone with half a brain knows that Fundamentalism in all religion is the problem.

Comparing any religion to the Islamic carnage across the world is preposterous

7) No Mormon - You hate the religion so you hate every individual in the religion? Typical Democrat bigotry

General. Yes, you explained why you "hate" Democrats. What you didn't explain is why you keep supporting their positions, other than inheritance, anyway. And seriously, your claim it was Bush/Gore that flipped you? Seriously? Bush/Gore flipped you where the SC just said the Florida recount had to follow Florida law after Democrats personally fucked you? Really?

Look.. It is clear that you are desperate to prove a point. Unfortunately you are wrong and your point is not going to get any better flogging it.

Compounding your stubbornness is your reading comprehension skills which are very sad. There is a distinct difference between supporting the man and respecting the office. I do not HATE Obama. Because a few republicans keep ginning up the ObamaHateMill? Sorry, I can think for myself. I can process information just fine thank you. Contrary to many here on USMB that have been running around with their hair on fire for 7 and a half years sceaming that Obama has destroyed the country it simply isn't true. The economy has improved steadily. The recovery we have enjoyed is more robust than in any part of the globe. Stating otherwise is just simply ignoring the truth.

As unfortunate as Benghazi was many have been led by the nose to proclaim the misreporting of the cause of that attack as the worst thing that has EVER occurred in U S history. So sorry again you idjits..it's not even in the top 100... Not even in the top 1000! And the e-mail BS? God save you people if you ever get a hangnail! Good grief! I get it that you feel obligated to disparage Clinton and the dems at every possible opportunity but guess what! I just don't care! I can think of a million things better to do with my time than to be constantly nipping at Hillary's and Obama's heels.

You are just poor losers plain and simple. Here is a plan.. promote better candidates to the American public and you will win. THEN you can take a big breath and drop your whiny crybaby mommy took away your binky routine.

I am not a poor sport. The public voted they way they did INSPITE of Citizens United and the Koch brothers fortune so what does that tell you? The GOP's candidates SUCK!!! But NNNOOOooo...!!!! You guys don't get it! You would rather have a seven and a half year hissy fit than address the REAL problem.

Here is a clue! Go find yourselves an Eisenhower or a Goldwater that inspires the majority of American voters and all your problems will be solved.

As for "the Morman".. Romney is a Bishop in the Morman church. Why not just cut to the chase and elect the friggin POPE as our CIC????? What is it about the words I HATE RELIGION that you do not understand????

Remember not so long ago I explained why I absolutely detest the dems and libs??? Well guess what! I love my family and after I left Orcas Island to strike out on my own early in high school BOTH of my brothers were BEATEN for not participating in reciting christian prayers in the classroom of Nellie S Milton School. **** religion!!!!!!!!! **** it all in the ASS!!!!! Like I have said MANY times IT IS PERSONAL!!!

As for Fluke.. I tried to make it clear that since I don't sport a C*NT most women's issues are non of my friggin business.

#5???? I never said any such thing. I have no idea what you are referring to.

#6 Fundamentalism in religion is believing in and acting on fairy tales.. many written when most people believed the sun revlolved around the earth.. IMHO that is just the epitome of foolishness. Criticizing me for rejecting that kind of stupidity doesn't deserve an answer.

Gotcha, if I respond to our posts, I'm "desperate to prove a point." So what point are you desperate to prove since you're responding to mine?

As for the voices in your head, I never said Benghazi rated anywhere on the most important lists much less that it was #1 or top 100 or anything, so I don't know what you're talking about. Clearly the military said different things than the administration. Hell yeah that should be investigated. I don't think the White House or Hillary intentionally murdered those four people, but I think they did underplay the response for diplomatic reasons and they covered that up. Ask Nixon if covering ups matter.

As for Fluke, first of all, she made her sex life public discussion by demanding free contraceptives. And no one is saying what she should do regarding rolling in the hay. Your answer is ridiculous, the question is if we should have to pay for it or not. That is clearly our business. You don't have to have a vagina to have the view that what she does with it is her business, but it should be on her own nickle or between herself and her insurance company, not government to use force to make other people pay for it.

And despite your further explanations on why you agree with the left on every issue we discuss, you continue to agree with the left on every issue. You hate the left for ******* you and your family, but the SC making the Florida courts follow Florida law turned you for them? That's ridiculous. As is that the SC decision made you not want to investigate Democrats Presidents, the SC made you support government forcing us all to pay for contraceptives, the SC made you think Christian extremists are doing as much harm as Muslims ones.

Dude, you can chose to not be a Democrat, but if you don't chose that and claim you did, you're in a position to be informed of that.

And you called me a liar for saying you didn't say other religious radicals are as destructive as Muslim ones, and I showed you the quote. Man up to an apology on that one point at least

Dubya is reported by excellent sources as believing that god speaks to him and upon that advice decided to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. You obviously have chosen to believe in America "right or wrong" and like the good/stupid christian you are ... "forgiven" Bush his sins. I consider Georgy Porgy as a born again dry drunk christian fundamentalist. If raining bombs down on another country/s out of anger and revenge isn't a grossly misplaced "an eye for an eye" I just frankly do not know what is.

Let me ask you this question. Would there have been a single terrorist attack on our country save Tim McVeigh if we had not invaded Iraq TWICE and Afghanistan to take out Bin Ladin which of course we failed to do..HOW pathetic was THAT?

"Dude" You don't have a ******* clue what I am about. You think you have some reason to challenge me on dems vs GOP or you would not be wasting both of our time.

As for my responses, I get to have the last word on me... you do not. The fanatic christians on Orcas didn't bother me a lick even though I was FAR more vocal about their stupid religion than my bro's. Maybe it was the time I stuck my 303 British enfield in my older cousin's face when he came drunk to our house and offered to give me the ass whoopin I deserved. Small community.. word got around. Or maybe it was the year of YOUR lord 1960 when on the first day of deer season I took same rifle and shot the biggest buck on the island from THREE FEET. The damned thing was more than three times as big as I was. That too got around. NTS I am an excellent hunter and outdoorsman. I had a red tailed hawk as a kid and shot a young rabbit nearly every morning before the school bus showed up to feed my bird. That was with the 22 single shot. With rabbits you only get one shot. My republican father gave me all the guns I ever needed at 10 and 11. I made him and my gramps proud with my hunting and fishing skills. And since I am on the subject.. late one summer, when dad was visiting up on the Island, cuz he mostly was travelling the world for the Boeing Co, We heard some rifle shots coming from the back 40 and he took the 303 back to see what was going on. Next thing you know is he came running out of the woods yelling that he was shot at. Before another word was exchanged I picked up the gun and headed back where he had come from to take my "shot" at defending our land.

I snuck back deep into the alders and firs and discovered two deer hunters attempting to poach. I stealthed right up behind the big fat one and jammed the mussel right into his neck. Not to prolong the story..so I won't.

I've been dealing with ignorant yahoo's all my life. They can't help being stupid..it's genetic. Unlike the thieving libs and dems. They are smart..so smart they believe that they are more deserving of what is yours than you,, or me.

True it is very likely our political leanings have come from different circumstances. You seem to have re-invented yours while I am stubbornly clinging to my natural republican roots. The way I see it the GOP has abandoned both of us.

 

[HUGGY]

My whole family has been republican. It goes back several generations before my birth.

There are many types of christians. Some are so because they have a lot to apologize for. You know what I am talking about don't you Sport.

Your unnatural interest in me probably requires several "confessions" a week.

You telling USMB false alarm.

Hard to say what "you telling". You sound retarded. I wish you guys would disclaim your posts with an admission that you are mentally defective.

Who "thanks" you more, the right or the left? We both know the answer to that one

What are you? A junior high daddy's girl *****? I could not care any less what mosy people here or anywhere think of my input. In spite of that you can see for yourself my ratings are in the several thousands.

The "average" voter doesn't come here to talk politics. There are 320 million plus Americans and 36 thousand + members at USMB.. and only seriously a handfull of that number active participants. Frankly I get most of my thank you's from independent thinkers with higher education than from the knuckle draggers that cannot or will not think for themselves. Many of the more active posters here are devout religious followers so as one would expect I have alienated them. Big whoop! The Flat Earth Society's opinions are not really my concern.

Exactly, you get them from leftists who agree with you, they agree with you because ...

Give it up cupcake. You don't get to decide a damned thing for me.

 

[kaz]

OK, I'll agree on the one issue. Inheretence is a Republican position Democrats want intheretence taxed away

So I searched and looked at seven random posts where I was responding to you or you were at least in the chain. I mean by that I started from a random point and picked the first seven hits from there. I didn't go through hits and pick the ones I wanted.

1) You defended Obama in Benghazi saying he "wasn't there" (clearly Democrat)

2) You defended Fluke wanting government to ensure she gets free contraceptives from her insurer(clearly Democrat)

3) You generally criticized religion (neutral)

4) You thought because I don't want government to take money from some citizens and give it to others that I'm an anarchist (clearly Democrat)

5) You said the problem isn't Islamic Fundamentalism, it's just any religious extremist (clearly Democrat)

6) You argued that anyone who thinks Obama has spent too much and accumulated debt thinks that Obama is the only President to put on debt (clearly Democrat)

7) You said you'd never vote for a Mormon to be President

I'll give you 7 as neutral even though Democrats pounded that one, and 3 was stated not particularly in a way supporting either side, but the other 5 are clearly Democrat

#1 I generally defend the position and office of the president. The mindless disregard of THE OFFICE I find repugnant. I do not go out of my way to support Obama policy. The constant insults and bringing the functionality of the government to a standstill is unnecessary and anti American. I respect the fact that Obama won fair and square. Sue me. I didn't vote for him but that's the way it goes. If the GOP had a more appealing candidate the GOP would have a sitting president.

#2 Nonsense. Provide a link.

#3 I ALWAYS criticize religion. Bunk is bunk. That just makes me intelligent and hard to fool.

#4 Again with the made up crap? I NEVER said you were an anarchist. I said you were a thief. That was before I read your post explaining what being a Libertarian means to you. I withdraw the accusation.

#5 You twisted my words. All religist extremism causes problems in the world. I have never supported muslims. As stated earlier all religion is hogwash. It is ALL a fraud. BTW religions, especially christian based religions, steal property telling the elderly that it will ensure their place in heaven. I have seen this happen first hand. Another reason to hate religion.

Being intelligent I can visualize being in someone else's shoes. Obviously you cannot. It helps me understand why others do what they do to a large extent. I understand the anger of the islamic terrorists just as I understand my Irish relatives back in the old country for hating the English. We have wronged many innocent Arabs and Muslims. If I were in their shoes I would have done the same or worse. I have no problem with righteous personal revenge. Ideological revenge is pure nonsense but when your own innocent relatives get blown to red mist that's a game changer. If it happened to my family you wouldn't want to be in my way.

#6 You are back to lying. I never said or implied any such thing. Prove it with a link. Obviously you cannot so shove it you ******* liar.

#7 I meant it. The Mormans are the most thieving of all the religions in the twentieth century. I certainly would not vote for anyone as much a snake as Romney. They way he made his personal fortune was and is disgusting.

I am not going to go on and on with this. I gave you my very good reason to hate libs and dems. Go look at the link I provided and take a gander at what they stole from my family. If that isn't reason enough then you are a blithering idiot.

1) Benghazi - So we shouldn't investigate what happened because you generally support the President? Ridiculous

2) Defending Fluke sure makes it sound like, you know, you're supporting her position ...

3) Wasn't in contention

4) You withdrew, I accept

5) Obama - Saying that criticizing Obama for any debt means we're criticizing him for all our national debt is ridiculous, you explain what that means how it's not pro-Democrat

6) I lied? Here you go:

Everyone with half a brain knows that Fundamentalism in all religion is the problem.

Comparing any religion to the Islamic carnage across the world is preposterous

7) No Mormon - You hate the religion so you hate every individual in the religion? Typical Democrat bigotry

General. Yes, you explained why you "hate" Democrats. What you didn't explain is why you keep supporting their positions, other than inheritance, anyway. And seriously, your claim it was Bush/Gore that flipped you? Seriously? Bush/Gore flipped you where the SC just said the Florida recount had to follow Florida law after Democrats personally fucked you? Really?

Look.. It is clear that you are desperate to prove a point. Unfortunately you are wrong and your point is not going to get any better flogging it.

Compounding your stubbornness is your reading comprehension skills which are very sad. There is a distinct difference between supporting the man and respecting the office. I do not HATE Obama. Because a few republicans keep ginning up the ObamaHateMill? Sorry, I can think for myself. I can process information just fine thank you. Contrary to many here on USMB that have been running around with their hair on fire for 7 and a half years sceaming that Obama has destroyed the country it simply isn't true. The economy has improved steadily. The recovery we have enjoyed is more robust than in any part of the globe. Stating otherwise is just simply ignoring the truth.

As unfortunate as Benghazi was many have been led by the nose to proclaim the misreporting of the cause of that attack as the worst thing that has EVER occurred in U S history. So sorry again you idjits..it's not even in the top 100... Not even in the top 1000! And the e-mail BS? God save you people if you ever get a hangnail! Good grief! I get it that you feel obligated to disparage Clinton and the dems at every possible opportunity but guess what! I just don't care! I can think of a million things better to do with my time than to be constantly nipping at Hillary's and Obama's heels.

You are just poor losers plain and simple. Here is a plan.. promote better candidates to the American public and you will win. THEN you can take a big breath and drop your whiny crybaby mommy took away your binky routine.

I am not a poor sport. The public voted they way they did INSPITE of Citizens United and the Koch brothers fortune so what does that tell you? The GOP's candidates SUCK!!! But NNNOOOooo...!!!! You guys don't get it! You would rather have a seven and a half year hissy fit than address the REAL problem.

Here is a clue! Go find yourselves an Eisenhower or a Goldwater that inspires the majority of American voters and all your problems will be solved.

As for "the Morman".. Romney is a Bishop in the Morman church. Why not just cut to the chase and elect the friggin POPE as our CIC????? What is it about the words I HATE RELIGION that you do not understand????

Remember not so long ago I explained why I absolutely detest the dems and libs??? Well guess what! I love my family and after I left Orcas Island to strike out on my own early in high school BOTH of my brothers were BEATEN for not participating in reciting christian prayers in the classroom of Nellie S Milton School. **** religion!!!!!!!!! **** it all in the ASS!!!!! Like I have said MANY times IT IS PERSONAL!!!

As for Fluke.. I tried to make it clear that since I don't sport a C*NT most women's issues are non of my friggin business.

#5???? I never said any such thing. I have no idea what you are referring to.

#6 Fundamentalism in religion is believing in and acting on fairy tales.. many written when most people believed the sun revlolved around the earth.. IMHO that is just the epitome of foolishness. Criticizing me for rejecting that kind of stupidity doesn't deserve an answer.

Gotcha, if I respond to our posts, I'm "desperate to prove a point." So what point are you desperate to prove since you're responding to mine?

As for the voices in your head, I never said Benghazi rated anywhere on the most important lists much less that it was #1 or top 100 or anything, so I don't know what you're talking about. Clearly the military said different things than the administration. Hell yeah that should be investigated. I don't think the White House or Hillary intentionally murdered those four people, but I think they did underplay the response for diplomatic reasons and they covered that up. Ask Nixon if covering ups matter.

As for Fluke, first of all, she made her sex life public discussion by demanding free contraceptives. And no one is saying what she should do regarding rolling in the hay. Your answer is ridiculous, the question is if we should have to pay for it or not. That is clearly our business. You don't have to have a vagina to have the view that what she does with it is her business, but it should be on her own nickle or between herself and her insurance company, not government to use force to make other people pay for it.

And despite your further explanations on why you agree with the left on every issue we discuss, you continue to agree with the left on every issue. You hate the left for ******* you and your family, but the SC making the Florida courts follow Florida law turned you for them? That's ridiculous. As is that the SC decision made you not want to investigate Democrats Presidents, the SC made you support government forcing us all to pay for contraceptives, the SC made you think Christian extremists are doing as much harm as Muslims ones.

Dude, you can chose to not be a Democrat, but if you don't chose that and claim you did, you're in a position to be informed of that.

And you called me a liar for saying you didn't say other religious radicals are as destructive as Muslim ones, and I showed you the quote. Man up to an apology on that one point at least

Dubya is reported by excellent sources as believing that god speaks to him and upon that advice decided to attack Afghanistan and Iraq. You obviously have chosen to believe in America "right or wrong" and like the good/stupid christian you are ... "forgiven" Bush his sins. I consider Georgy Porgy as a born again dry drunk christian fundamentalist. If raining bombs down on another country/s out of anger and revenge isn't a grossly misplaced "an eye for an eye" I just frankly do not know what is.

Let me ask you this question. Would there have been a single terrorist attack on our country save Tim McVeigh if we had not invaded Iraq TWICE and Afghanistan to take out Bin Ladin which of course we failed to do..HOW pathetic was THAT?

"Dude" You don't have a ******* clue what I am about. You think you have some reason to challenge me on dems vs GOP or you would not be wasting both of our time.

As for my responses, I get to have the last word on me... you do not. The fanatic christians on Orcas didn't bother me a lick even though I was FAR more vocal about their stupid religion than my bro's. Maybe it was the time I stuck my 303 British enfield in my older cousin's face when he came drunk to our house and offered to give me the ass whoopin I deserved. Small community.. word got around. Or maybe it was the year of YOUR lord 1960 when on the first day of deer season I took same rifle and shot the biggest buck on the island from THREE FEET. The damned thing was more than three times as big as I was. That too got around. NTS I am an excellent hunter and outdoorsman. I had a red tailed hawk as a kid and shot a young rabbit nearly every morning before the school bus showed up to feed my bird. That was with the 22 single shot. With rabbits you only get one shot. My republican father gave me all the guns I ever needed at 10 and 11. I made him and my gramps proud with my hunting and fishing skills. And since I am on the subject.. late one summer, when dad was visiting up on the Island, cuz he mostly was travelling the world for the Boeing Co, We heard some rifle shots coming from the back 40 and he took the 303 back to see what was going on. Next thing you know is he came running out of the woods yelling that he was shot at. Before another word was exchanged I picked up the gun and headed back where he had come from to take my "shot" at defending our land.

I snuck back deep into the alders and firs and discovered two deer hunters attempting to poach. I stealthed right up behind the big fat one and jammed the mussel right into his neck. Not to prolong the story..so I won't.

I've been dealing with ignorant yahoo's all my life. They can't help being stupid..it's genetic. Unlike the thieving libs and dems. They are smart..so smart they believe that they are more deserving of what is yours than you,, or me.

True it is very likely our political leanings have come from different circumstances. You seem to have re-invented yours while I am stubbornly clinging to my natural republican roots. The way I see it the GOP has abandoned both of us.

I agree with your conclusion. I realized that when I left the party over 25 years ago. I opposed the Iraq war and nation building in Afghanistan, but I don't see what that has to do with not investigating Benghazi. We know about Benghazi that the White House lied about it and Hillary lied about it. They were saying long after everyone knew that the video was not the cause of the attack that it was.

And Hillary certainly lied when she said the Ambassador told her everything was good while he was requesting help from everyone else. I don't think they did it to intentionally kill the people who died, but I do think they didn't want to send force because of Obama's support of the Libyan overthrow. It is totally worth finding out what happened

 

[kaz]

You telling USMB false alarm.

Hard to say what "you telling". You sound retarded. I wish you guys would disclaim your posts with an admission that you are mentally defective.

Who "thanks" you more, the right or the left? We both know the answer to that one

What are you? A junior high daddy's girl *****? I could not care any less what mosy people here or anywhere think of my input. In spite of that you can see for yourself my ratings are in the several thousands.

The "average" voter doesn't come here to talk politics. There are 320 million plus Americans and 36 thousand + members at USMB.. and only seriously a handfull of that number active participants. Frankly I get most of my thank you's from independent thinkers with higher education than from the knuckle draggers that cannot or will not think for themselves. Many of the more active posters here are devout religious followers so as one would expect I have alienated them. Big whoop! The Flat Earth Society's opinions are not really my concern.

Exactly, you get them from leftists who agree with you, they agree with you because ...

Give it up cupcake. You don't get to decide a damned thing for me.

Strawman, never tried. But I do challenge the endless list of Democrats who claim to be a Republican. There is nothing Republican about defending a Democrat President from the consequences of his own action. There is nothing Republican about demanding government force other people to pay women's contraception. There is nothing wrong with supporting the canard that extremists from any other religion are remotely doing what Muslim extremists are doing.

Anyway, as I point out, who is thanking your posts tells you what you are supporting. If you're honest about thinking you're a Republican, then that should bother you. Democrats are the party you claim to hate because they fucked you, yet you're carrying their water for them. And they're recognizing and thanking you for it

 

[Synthaholic]

What needs fixing? The premise is faulty. The system is what it is. The contestants/candidates are supposed to know how to play by the rules. Nothing is broken. It is a party primary, and parties get to decide HOW to nominate one of their own.

In the same exact way that Augusta National Golf Club gets to decide who is extended an invitation to join, whether you're Trump or Tiger Woods - neither one a member.

 

[Synthaholic]

The whole Drumpf thing is the closest we'll see to a real populist movement in the US, thankfully.

You mean other than Bernie?

 

[Synthaholic]

Il Duce!!!

When referring to Drumpf, it's Il Douche.

 

[Synthaholic]

Should American's (registered voters) be denied their vote be it via caucus or straight vote primary? Yes or no?

As long as Parties are able to make up rules each year it's not democratic. Congress should set the rules for both Parties, and should fund the election.

 

[jillian]

Here's just a small taste of the delegate system in action. Rigged cluster **** or perfectly normal?

Delegate Deception - Linkis.com

no. just a system.... run by the individual political parties...not by the government.

they aren't there to nominate someone who doesn't represent the party. that said, if trump had been serious, he'd have learned the rules.

he just doesn't think rules apply to him.

 

[jillian]

Should American's (registered voters) be denied their vote be it via caucus or straight vote primary? Yes or no?

As long as Parties are able to make up rules each year it's not democratic. Congress should set the rules for both Parties, and should fund the election.

the candidates do not represent they government. they represent the parties. the parties used to just appoint candidates and people had zero say.

 

[Synthaholic]

The parties get taxpayer funding in the general hence the corrupt bastards are not free to do whatever the hell they want.

Only if they choose to accept it. President Obama (praise be unto Him!) opted to not accept taxpayer funding due to the limitations placed on the candidate.

 

[Synthaholic]

I'm still waiting for your proof I have posted "love" for dems.

Don't you know? If you have two eyes, two ears, and a brain that dismisses and rejects Wingnut Logic, that must mean you love the Democrats.