Deja Vu? Corona virus and the Spanish Flu

Care4all

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Even though the Corona virus is not an Influenza virus, there are many similarities to how the USA handled these pandemics. They were both new viruses, both without any known treatment... both grasping at any drug as the cure or treatment...

I was just reading up on the history of the 1918 Spanish Flu, because I heard a historian on one of the cable news channels mention that the 2nd resurgence of it, killed more people than the first round of the Pandemic.... so, I thought I would read up on it...

Of course the History.com sight just gave a basic summary of the events, but it gives the impression that citizens were not selfish of self concerned financially and did not whine about the social distancing and schools and farms and businesses being shuttered etc. as it appears a handful of Trumpers that watch Fox News who are pushing civil unrest, or tea party libertarians today are bitching about, while adding in their fears or conspiracies of this just being a test on us citizens to see if we would succumb to an unconstitutional govt and new world order taking us over....instead of being concerned for all Americans, especially those most likely to be affected by this virus, and their deaths from it... like it seems Americans of 1918 were....

Though we were probably not as materialistic in those days of 1918, with a store on every corner, or at their fingertips....to fill our extraordinary crazy need to buy things.... from meals, to drinks, to clothes, to cars, to blue rays, to exercise memberships etc.... and that all takes money.... jobs....? Back then, they probably only had to worry about starving to death.... :rolleyes-41:

They certainly had the same concerns in cities vs the rural areas....

Were we more American in spirit, back then.... than today, or less American, in spirit?

Fighting the Spanish Flu
When the 1918 flu hit, doctors and scientists were unsure what caused it or how to treat it. Unlike today, there were no effective vaccines or antivirals, drugs that treat the flu. (The first licensed flu vaccine appeared in America in the 1940s. By the following decade, vaccine manufacturers could routinely produce vaccines that would help control and prevent future pandemics.)


Complicating matters was the fact that World War I had left parts of America with a shortage of physicians and other health workers. And of the available medical personnel in the U.S., many came down with the flu themselves.

Additionally, hospitals in some areas were so overloaded with flu patients that schools, private homes and other buildings had to be converted into makeshift hospitals, some of which were staffed by medical students.

Officials in some communities imposed quarantines, ordered citizens to wear masks and shut down public places, including schools, churches and theaters. People were advised to avoid shaking hands and to stay indoors, libraries put a halt on lending books and regulations were passed banning spitting.

According to The New York Times, during the pandemic, Boy Scouts in New York City approached people they’d seen spitting on the street and gave them cards that read: “You are in violation of the Sanitary Code.”

Aspirin Poisoning and the Flu
With no cure for the flu, many doctors prescribed medication that they felt would alleviate symptoms… including aspirin, which had been trademarked by Bayer in 1899—a patent that expired in 1917, meaning new companies were able to produce the drug during the Spanish Flu epidemic.

Before the spike in deaths attributed to the Spanish Flu in 1918, the U.S. Surgeon General, Navy and the Journal of the American Medical Association had all recommended the use of aspirin. Medical professionals advised patients to take up to 30 grams per day, a dose now known to be toxic. (For comparison’s sake, the medical consensus today is that doses above four grams are unsafe.) Symptoms of aspirin poisoning include hyperventilation and pulmonary edema, or the buildup of fluid in the lungs, and it’s now believed that many of the October deaths were actually caused or hastened by aspirin poisoning.

The Flu Takes Heavy Toll on Society
The flu took a heavy human toll, wiping out entire families and leaving countless widows and orphans in its wake. Funeral parlors were overwhelmed and bodies piled up. Many people had to dig graves for their own family members.

The flu was also detrimental to the economy. In the United States, businesses were forced to shut down because so many employees were sick. Basic services such as mail delivery and garbage collection were hindered due to flu-stricken workers.

In some places there weren’t enough farm workers to harvest crops. Even state and local health departments closed for business, hampering efforts to chronicle the spread of the 1918 flu and provide the public with answers about it.

How U.S. Cities Tried to Stop The 1918 Flu Pandemic
A devastating second wave of the Spanish Flu hit American shores in the summer of 1918, as returning soldiers infected with the disease spread it to the general population—especially in densely-crowded cities. Without a vaccine or approved treatment plan, it fell to local mayors and healthy officials to improvise plans to safeguard the safety of their citizens. With pressure to appear patriotic at wartime and with a censored media downplaying the disease’s spread, many made tragic decisions.


Philadelphia’s response was too little, too late. Dr. Wilmer Krusen, director of Public Health and Charities for the city, insisted mounting fatalities were not the “Spanish flu,” but rather just the normal flu. So on September 18, the city went forward with a Liberty Loan parade attended by tens of thousands of Philadelphians, spreading the disease like wildfire. In just 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians were dead, with another 200,000 sick. Only then did the city close saloons and theaters. By March 1919, over 15,000 citizens of Philadelphia had lost their lives.

St. Louis, Missouri, was different: Schools and movie theaters closed and public gatherings were banned. Consequently, the peak mortality rate in St. Louis was just one-eighth of Philadelphia’s death rate during the peak of the pandemic.

Citizens in San Francisco were fined $5—a significant sum at the time—if they were caught in public without masks and charged with disturbing the peace.

Spanish Flu Pandemic Ends
By the summer of 1919, the flu pandemic came to an end, as those that were infected either died or developed immunity.

Almost 90 years later, in 2008, researchers announced they’d discovered what made the 1918 flu so deadly: A group of three genes enabled the virus to weaken a victim’s bronchial tubes and lungs and clear the way for bacterial pneumonia.



Man oh man oh man!! I truly never realized how smart and sneaky and just plain evil, viruses can be!!!
 
Even though the Corona virus is not an Influenza virus, there are many similarities to how the USA handled these pandemics. They were both new viruses, both without any known treatment... both grasping at any drug as the cure or treatment...

I was just reading up on the history of the 1918 Spanish Flu, because I heard a historian on one of the cable news channels mention that the 2nd resurgence of it, killed more people than the first round of the Pandemic.... so, I thought I would read up on it...

Of course the History.com sight just gave a basic summary of the events, but it gives the impression that citizens were not selfish of self concerned financially and did not whine about the social distancing and schools and farms and businesses being shuttered etc. as it appears a handful of Trumpers that watch Fox News who are pushing civil unrest, or tea party libertarians today are bitching about, while adding in their fears or conspiracies of this just being a test on us citizens to see if we would succumb to an unconstitutional govt and new world order taking us over....instead of being concerned for all Americans, especially those most likely to be affected by this virus, and their deaths from it... like it seems Americans of 1918 were....

Though we were probably not as materialistic in those days of 1918, with a store on every corner, or at their fingertips....to fill our extraordinary crazy need to buy things.... from meals, to drinks, to clothes, to cars, to blue rays, to exercise memberships etc.... and that all takes money.... jobs....? Back then, they probably only had to worry about starving to death.... :rolleyes-41:

They certainly had the same concerns in cities vs the rural areas....

Were we more American in spirit, back then.... than today, or less American, in spirit?

Fighting the Spanish Flu
When the 1918 flu hit, doctors and scientists were unsure what caused it or how to treat it. Unlike today, there were no effective vaccines or antivirals, drugs that treat the flu. (The first licensed flu vaccine appeared in America in the 1940s. By the following decade, vaccine manufacturers could routinely produce vaccines that would help control and prevent future pandemics.)


Complicating matters was the fact that World War I had left parts of America with a shortage of physicians and other health workers. And of the available medical personnel in the U.S., many came down with the flu themselves.

Additionally, hospitals in some areas were so overloaded with flu patients that schools, private homes and other buildings had to be converted into makeshift hospitals, some of which were staffed by medical students.

Officials in some communities imposed quarantines, ordered citizens to wear masks and shut down public places, including schools, churches and theaters. People were advised to avoid shaking hands and to stay indoors, libraries put a halt on lending books and regulations were passed banning spitting.

According to The New York Times, during the pandemic, Boy Scouts in New York City approached people they’d seen spitting on the street and gave them cards that read: “You are in violation of the Sanitary Code.”

Aspirin Poisoning and the Flu
With no cure for the flu, many doctors prescribed medication that they felt would alleviate symptoms… including aspirin, which had been trademarked by Bayer in 1899—a patent that expired in 1917, meaning new companies were able to produce the drug during the Spanish Flu epidemic.

Before the spike in deaths attributed to the Spanish Flu in 1918, the U.S. Surgeon General, Navy and the Journal of the American Medical Association had all recommended the use of aspirin. Medical professionals advised patients to take up to 30 grams per day, a dose now known to be toxic. (For comparison’s sake, the medical consensus today is that doses above four grams are unsafe.) Symptoms of aspirin poisoning include hyperventilation and pulmonary edema, or the buildup of fluid in the lungs, and it’s now believed that many of the October deaths were actually caused or hastened by aspirin poisoning.

The Flu Takes Heavy Toll on Society
The flu took a heavy human toll, wiping out entire families and leaving countless widows and orphans in its wake. Funeral parlors were overwhelmed and bodies piled up. Many people had to dig graves for their own family members.

The flu was also detrimental to the economy. In the United States, businesses were forced to shut down because so many employees were sick. Basic services such as mail delivery and garbage collection were hindered due to flu-stricken workers.

In some places there weren’t enough farm workers to harvest crops. Even state and local health departments closed for business, hampering efforts to chronicle the spread of the 1918 flu and provide the public with answers about it.

How U.S. Cities Tried to Stop The 1918 Flu Pandemic
A devastating second wave of the Spanish Flu hit American shores in the summer of 1918, as returning soldiers infected with the disease spread it to the general population—especially in densely-crowded cities. Without a vaccine or approved treatment plan, it fell to local mayors and healthy officials to improvise plans to safeguard the safety of their citizens. With pressure to appear patriotic at wartime and with a censored media downplaying the disease’s spread, many made tragic decisions.


Philadelphia’s response was too little, too late. Dr. Wilmer Krusen, director of Public Health and Charities for the city, insisted mounting fatalities were not the “Spanish flu,” but rather just the normal flu. So on September 18, the city went forward with a Liberty Loan parade attended by tens of thousands of Philadelphians, spreading the disease like wildfire. In just 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians were dead, with another 200,000 sick. Only then did the city close saloons and theaters. By March 1919, over 15,000 citizens of Philadelphia had lost their lives.

St. Louis, Missouri, was different: Schools and movie theaters closed and public gatherings were banned. Consequently, the peak mortality rate in St. Louis was just one-eighth of Philadelphia’s death rate during the peak of the pandemic.

Citizens in San Francisco were fined $5—a significant sum at the time—if they were caught in public without masks and charged with disturbing the peace.

Spanish Flu Pandemic Ends
By the summer of 1919, the flu pandemic came to an end, as those that were infected either died or developed immunity.

Almost 90 years later, in 2008, researchers announced they’d discovered what made the 1918 flu so deadly: A group of three genes enabled the virus to weaken a victim’s bronchial tubes and lungs and clear the way for bacterial pneumonia.



Man oh man oh man!! I truly never realized how smart and sneaky and just plain evil, viruses can be!!!
did you realize how evil the chicom government is ?
 
No, not Déjà vu

The world today is totally different, and these at two completely different diseases.

Nice try with the WHO's propaganda though.

 
attack Trump supporters and not one mention of communist china's evil ! chicom propaganda ! all dems are chicom sympathizers and traitors.
OH dear Lord Yidnar! Could you be anymore childish or Trumpian? Just please grow up and stop your foolishness... and silly accusations.... :rolleyes-41: pretty please!
 
yes, the Chinese dicked the world.... we all know that... and knew it when they were doing it! We didn't wait and find out only when they decided to fess up......in mid January....

we knew they were lying a month or two before that, or in the least, had GREAT suspicions....


why?

Because the Chinese were KNOWN to lie about previous viruses that originated there..... it was nothing out of the ordinary for them....
 
attack Trump supporters and not one mention of communist china's evil ! chicom propaganda ! all dems are chicom sympathizers and traitors.
OH dear Lord Yidnar! Could you be anymore childish or Trumpian? Just please grow up and stop your foolishness... and silly accusations.... :rolleyes-41: pretty please!
people are losing their lively hoods ! many are seeing businesses that they put their life's work go under ! just because they want to go back to work does not make them selfish ! poverty is deadly too!
 
The second wave of the 1918 flu was a result of soldiers returning from Europe after WWI.
Mr. Gower’s son died from that flu in the movie It’s a Wonderful Life.
yes! But their return also meant the easing up on social distancing.... kissing soldiers in the street parades.... others bringing it home to their shuttered at home, families.....

basically dissolving any benefits from the social distancing....
 
yes, the Chinese dicked the world.... we all know that... and knew it when they were doing it! We didn't wait and find out only when they decided to fess up......in mid January....

we knew they were lying a month or two before that, or in the least, had GREAT suspicions....


why?

Because the Chinese were KNOWN to lie about previous viruses that originated there..... it was nothing out of the ordinary for them....
sooooo will you condemn any political leader that ha gotten money from the chinese government ! after all Trump has been trying to get companies and manufacturing out of china and back to the US for nearly 3 years !
 
The second wave of the 1918 flu was a result of soldiers returning from Europe after WWI.
Mr. Gower’s son died from that flu in the movie It’s a Wonderful Life.
yes! But their return also meant the easing up on social distancing.... kissing soldiers in the street parades.... others bringing it home to their shuttered at home, families.....

basically dissolving any benefits from the social distancing....
the chicoms prevented travel and flights from wuhan to other places inside china but allowed travel from wuhan to other countries ! 1587186346236.png
 
attack Trump supporters and not one mention of communist china's evil ! chicom propaganda ! all dems are chicom sympathizers and traitors.
OH dear Lord Yidnar! Could you be anymore childish or Trumpian? Just please grow up and stop your foolishness... and silly accusations.... :rolleyes-41: pretty please!
people are losing their lively hoods ! many are seeing businesses that they put their life's work go under ! just because they want to go back to work does not make them selfish ! poverty is deadly too!
yes, that's true too.... and tragic!

but as long as people are scared of dying, or killing their parent or grandparent or sister with asthma by passing the virus on to them, people are not going to be going all gangbusters on shopping and spending money or out for good jolly ole times....or going to massive sporting events, they'll be on edge.... will lack confidence.... still mentally, be in hunker down mode..... imo

nothing is ever going to be the same... at least for a few years.... I know my and the hubby's retirement plan will likely never be recovered before the hubby retires.... everyone has gotten hurt from this sucker virus, in one way or another... we are all feeling it!

we just have to reinvent the way things are done... and I suppose, life and the economy, will move onward, in different ways....
 
yes, the Chinese dicked the world.... we all know that... and knew it when they were doing it! We didn't wait and find out only when they decided to fess up......in mid January....

we knew they were lying a month or two before that, or in the least, had GREAT suspicions....


why?

Because the Chinese were KNOWN to lie about previous viruses that originated there..... it was nothing out of the ordinary for them....
sooooo will you condemn any political leader that ha gotten money from the chinese government ! after all Trump has been trying to get companies and manufacturing out of china and back to the US for nearly 3 years !
first, politicians can not get donations from any foreign govt for their campaigns, and second, if you are talking about politicians making money off of the Chinese or working deals with them, like Mitch McConnell and his wife Elaine Chao and her family.... it's their business.... and they certainly did not have anything to do with the Chinese lying about a virus.....

and learn your history.... Republicans are the ones who pushed opening China up for Trade with the U.S., beginning with Nixon sending George Herbert Walker Bush there to begin working the deal....

It was democrats and their support of Union workers and laborers who were against it!
 
yes, the Chinese dicked the world.... we all know that... and knew it when they were doing it! We didn't wait and find out only when they decided to fess up......in mid January....

we knew they were lying a month or two before that, or in the least, had GREAT suspicions....


why?

Because the Chinese were KNOWN to lie about previous viruses that originated there..... it was nothing out of the ordinary for them....
sooooo will you condemn any political leader that ha gotten money from the chinese government ! after all Trump has been trying to get companies and manufacturing out of china and back to the US for nearly 3 years !
first, politicians can not get donations from any foreign govt for their campaigns, and second, if you are talking about politicians making money off of the Chinese or working deals with them, like Mitch McConnell and his wife Elaine Chao and her family.... it's their business.... and they certainly did not have anything to do with the Chinese lying about a virus.....

and learn your history.... Republicans are the ones who pushed opening China up for Trade with the U.S., beginning with Nixon sending George Herbert Walker Bush there to begin working the deal....

It was democrats and their support of Union workers and laborers who were against it!
NICE TRY ! Nixon did want better relations with China during the cold war ..... he did not i repeat did not set up trade relations that would give china an advantage over the US and the rest of the world ! that was your hero clinton. Bill Clinton’s Last Great Victory Is the Reason Hillary Gets Hammered on Trade Today
 
yes, the Chinese dicked the world.... we all know that... and knew it when they were doing it! We didn't wait and find out only when they decided to fess up......in mid January....

we knew they were lying a month or two before that, or in the least, had GREAT suspicions....


why?

Because the Chinese were KNOWN to lie about previous viruses that originated there..... it was nothing out of the ordinary for them....
sooooo will you condemn any political leader that ha gotten money from the chinese government ! after all Trump has been trying to get companies and manufacturing out of china and back to the US for nearly 3 years !
first, politicians can not get donations from any foreign govt for their campaigns, and second, if you are talking about politicians making money off of the Chinese or working deals with them, like Mitch McConnell and his wife Elaine Chao and her family.... it's their business.... and they certainly did not have anything to do with the Chinese lying about a virus.....

and learn your history.... Republicans are the ones who pushed opening China up for Trade with the U.S., beginning with Nixon sending George Herbert Walker Bush there to begin working the deal....

It was democrats and their support of Union workers and laborers who were against it!
NICE TRY ! Nixon did want better relations with China during the cold war ..... he did not i repeat did not set up trade relations that would give china an advantage over the US and the rest of the world ! that was your hero clinton. Bill Clinton’s Last Great Victory Is the Reason Hillary Gets Hammered on Trade Today
that chicom cash bought them some nice perks ! Clinton Grants China MFN, Reversing Campaign Pledge - The Tech
 
yes, the Chinese dicked the world.... we all know that... and knew it when they were doing it! We didn't wait and find out only when they decided to fess up......in mid January....

we knew they were lying a month or two before that, or in the least, had GREAT suspicions....


why?

Because the Chinese were KNOWN to lie about previous viruses that originated there..... it was nothing out of the ordinary for them....
sooooo will you condemn any political leader that ha gotten money from the chinese government ! after all Trump has been trying to get companies and manufacturing out of china and back to the US for nearly 3 years !
first, politicians can not get donations from any foreign govt for their campaigns, and second, if you are talking about politicians making money off of the Chinese or working deals with them, like Mitch McConnell and his wife Elaine Chao and her family.... it's their business.... and they certainly did not have anything to do with the Chinese lying about a virus.....

and learn your history.... Republicans are the ones who pushed opening China up for Trade with the U.S., beginning with Nixon sending George Herbert Walker Bush there to begin working the deal....

It was democrats and their support of Union workers and laborers who were against it!
NICE TRY ! Nixon did want better relations with China during the cold war ..... he did not i repeat did not set up trade relations that would give china an advantage over the US and the rest of the world ! that was your hero clinton. Bill Clinton’s Last Great Victory Is the Reason Hillary Gets Hammered on Trade Today
They are now known as Bill and Hillary Rosenberg.
 
Even though the Corona virus is not an Influenza virus, there are many similarities to how the USA handled these pandemics. They were both new viruses, both without any known treatment... both grasping at any drug as the cure or treatment...

I was just reading up on the history of the 1918 Spanish Flu, because I heard a historian on one of the cable news channels mention that the 2nd resurgence of it, killed more people than the first round of the Pandemic.... so, I thought I would read up on it...

Of course the History.com sight just gave a basic summary of the events, but it gives the impression that citizens were not selfish of self concerned financially and did not whine about the social distancing and schools and farms and businesses being shuttered etc. as it appears a handful of Trumpers that watch Fox News who are pushing civil unrest, or tea party libertarians today are bitching about, while adding in their fears or conspiracies of this just being a test on us citizens to see if we would succumb to an unconstitutional govt and new world order taking us over....instead of being concerned for all Americans, especially those most likely to be affected by this virus, and their deaths from it... like it seems Americans of 1918 were....

Though we were probably not as materialistic in those days of 1918, with a store on every corner, or at their fingertips....to fill our extraordinary crazy need to buy things.... from meals, to drinks, to clothes, to cars, to blue rays, to exercise memberships etc.... and that all takes money.... jobs....? Back then, they probably only had to worry about starving to death.... :rolleyes-41:

They certainly had the same concerns in cities vs the rural areas....

Were we more American in spirit, back then.... than today, or less American, in spirit?

Fighting the Spanish Flu
When the 1918 flu hit, doctors and scientists were unsure what caused it or how to treat it. Unlike today, there were no effective vaccines or antivirals, drugs that treat the flu. (The first licensed flu vaccine appeared in America in the 1940s. By the following decade, vaccine manufacturers could routinely produce vaccines that would help control and prevent future pandemics.)


Complicating matters was the fact that World War I had left parts of America with a shortage of physicians and other health workers. And of the available medical personnel in the U.S., many came down with the flu themselves.

Additionally, hospitals in some areas were so overloaded with flu patients that schools, private homes and other buildings had to be converted into makeshift hospitals, some of which were staffed by medical students.

Officials in some communities imposed quarantines, ordered citizens to wear masks and shut down public places, including schools, churches and theaters. People were advised to avoid shaking hands and to stay indoors, libraries put a halt on lending books and regulations were passed banning spitting.

According to The New York Times, during the pandemic, Boy Scouts in New York City approached people they’d seen spitting on the street and gave them cards that read: “You are in violation of the Sanitary Code.”

Aspirin Poisoning and the Flu
With no cure for the flu, many doctors prescribed medication that they felt would alleviate symptoms… including aspirin, which had been trademarked by Bayer in 1899—a patent that expired in 1917, meaning new companies were able to produce the drug during the Spanish Flu epidemic.

Before the spike in deaths attributed to the Spanish Flu in 1918, the U.S. Surgeon General, Navy and the Journal of the American Medical Association had all recommended the use of aspirin. Medical professionals advised patients to take up to 30 grams per day, a dose now known to be toxic. (For comparison’s sake, the medical consensus today is that doses above four grams are unsafe.) Symptoms of aspirin poisoning include hyperventilation and pulmonary edema, or the buildup of fluid in the lungs, and it’s now believed that many of the October deaths were actually caused or hastened by aspirin poisoning.

The Flu Takes Heavy Toll on Society
The flu took a heavy human toll, wiping out entire families and leaving countless widows and orphans in its wake. Funeral parlors were overwhelmed and bodies piled up. Many people had to dig graves for their own family members.

The flu was also detrimental to the economy. In the United States, businesses were forced to shut down because so many employees were sick. Basic services such as mail delivery and garbage collection were hindered due to flu-stricken workers.

In some places there weren’t enough farm workers to harvest crops. Even state and local health departments closed for business, hampering efforts to chronicle the spread of the 1918 flu and provide the public with answers about it.

How U.S. Cities Tried to Stop The 1918 Flu Pandemic
A devastating second wave of the Spanish Flu hit American shores in the summer of 1918, as returning soldiers infected with the disease spread it to the general population—especially in densely-crowded cities. Without a vaccine or approved treatment plan, it fell to local mayors and healthy officials to improvise plans to safeguard the safety of their citizens. With pressure to appear patriotic at wartime and with a censored media downplaying the disease’s spread, many made tragic decisions.


Philadelphia’s response was too little, too late. Dr. Wilmer Krusen, director of Public Health and Charities for the city, insisted mounting fatalities were not the “Spanish flu,” but rather just the normal flu. So on September 18, the city went forward with a Liberty Loan parade attended by tens of thousands of Philadelphians, spreading the disease like wildfire. In just 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians were dead, with another 200,000 sick. Only then did the city close saloons and theaters. By March 1919, over 15,000 citizens of Philadelphia had lost their lives.

St. Louis, Missouri, was different: Schools and movie theaters closed and public gatherings were banned. Consequently, the peak mortality rate in St. Louis was just one-eighth of Philadelphia’s death rate during the peak of the pandemic.

Citizens in San Francisco were fined $5—a significant sum at the time—if they were caught in public without masks and charged with disturbing the peace.

Spanish Flu Pandemic Ends
By the summer of 1919, the flu pandemic came to an end, as those that were infected either died or developed immunity.

Almost 90 years later, in 2008, researchers announced they’d discovered what made the 1918 flu so deadly: A group of three genes enabled the virus to weaken a victim’s bronchial tubes and lungs and clear the way for bacterial pneumonia.



Man oh man oh man!! I truly never realized how smart and sneaky and just plain evil, viruses can be!!!

When and if it comes back in the fall, it will be just the flu, which every year kills millions.
 
Kissinger and Nixon opened up China to the world, it started slow, but went full steam ahead with Reagan, then with Bush and then with Clinton.
Between 1980 and 2004, U.S.-China trade rises from $5 billion to $231 billion. In 2006, China surpasses Mexico as the United States’ second-biggest trade partner, after Canada.
 
Great thread, Care4all. It sure seems like deja vu to me! It's interesting how a lot of the same social distancing attempts were made. I don't understand why the government wanted to keep it hush-hush, though. Do you?
That's the biggest difference between then and now--we can talk about nothing else, it seems, and the federal government is front and center trying to manage it.
 
just a few little facts:

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And throw Mitch out with the Dems for all I care, he is a snake.
 

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