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what are some of the likely outcomes of such a course of action?
From the link;
"When the government doesn’t provide order, people either organize themselves or they pay organized crime for protection. And while people complain — rightly — that police often fail to observe due process, armed neighborhood groups and mobsters are unlikely to do better.
In a Wall Street Journal article on Minneapolis’s neighborhood patrols, you can see that:
"'It got to the point where crime had no consequences,' said Tania Rivera, 30, who runs a child-care center with her mother. 'It was being done deliberately out in the open. Drive-through drug dealing, drive-through prostitution, everything from gunshots to assaults to sex out in the public. Everything you didn’t want your neighborhood to look like.'
So after a number of community meetings, neighbors began constructing a barrier to close off two blocks of their street, first with trash cans, then debris. For a while, a boat on a trailer protected one intersection. Eventually, a nearby iron maker constructed a permanent gate. Police gave their approval as long as emergency responders could get through if requested by the neighborhood.
Neighborhood men also began an armed patrol, kicking out anyone who didn’t belong on the block after dark."
Kicking out people who “didn’t belong on the block” would be seen as racist and unconstitutional if police did it. The Journal quotes a resident as saying “We’re not proud of that, but it needed to be done.” And it needed to be done because the city of Minneapolis didn’t want to do its job.
Is this a boon to the criminal class? Only in the short term.
The thing to remember is, ultimately, police aren’t there to protect the public from criminals, but to protect criminals from the public. Before the invention of modern police by Robert Peel in London in the early 19th Century, the public dealt with criminals mostly on its own, and usually harshly. Arrest by the police and trial before a court was a big improvement over mob justice.
Now some want to go the other direction. I predict it will end badly."
There are already many organized groups out there, ready to use force to achieve their objectives, especially in urban areas; they're called gangs.
This is who will take charge in many areas in the event of a power vacuum, such as when the police are no longer around….. ya'll okay with that?
Because that's what we're looking at..... any of ya'll ever run into a quasi-official roadblock in a 3rd world country? Don't be surprised if it starts happening here.
Out in rural areas, you will see everything from local militias organized by a cadre from the VFW, to biker gangs running area patrols and riding shotgun on truck convoys, in exchange for safe haven in the community and/or cash.
Shit is going to get interesting.
Back to the future in policing? Civilian militias in American cities
Police being pulled back in urban areas has led to neighborhood patrols which lead to chaos, violence, gangs and prejudice.
www.usatoday.com
"When the government doesn’t provide order, people either organize themselves or they pay organized crime for protection. And while people complain — rightly — that police often fail to observe due process, armed neighborhood groups and mobsters are unlikely to do better.
In a Wall Street Journal article on Minneapolis’s neighborhood patrols, you can see that:
"'It got to the point where crime had no consequences,' said Tania Rivera, 30, who runs a child-care center with her mother. 'It was being done deliberately out in the open. Drive-through drug dealing, drive-through prostitution, everything from gunshots to assaults to sex out in the public. Everything you didn’t want your neighborhood to look like.'
So after a number of community meetings, neighbors began constructing a barrier to close off two blocks of their street, first with trash cans, then debris. For a while, a boat on a trailer protected one intersection. Eventually, a nearby iron maker constructed a permanent gate. Police gave their approval as long as emergency responders could get through if requested by the neighborhood.
Neighborhood men also began an armed patrol, kicking out anyone who didn’t belong on the block after dark."
Kicking out people who “didn’t belong on the block” would be seen as racist and unconstitutional if police did it. The Journal quotes a resident as saying “We’re not proud of that, but it needed to be done.” And it needed to be done because the city of Minneapolis didn’t want to do its job.
Is this a boon to the criminal class? Only in the short term.
The thing to remember is, ultimately, police aren’t there to protect the public from criminals, but to protect criminals from the public. Before the invention of modern police by Robert Peel in London in the early 19th Century, the public dealt with criminals mostly on its own, and usually harshly. Arrest by the police and trial before a court was a big improvement over mob justice.
Now some want to go the other direction. I predict it will end badly."
There are already many organized groups out there, ready to use force to achieve their objectives, especially in urban areas; they're called gangs.
This is who will take charge in many areas in the event of a power vacuum, such as when the police are no longer around….. ya'll okay with that?
Because that's what we're looking at..... any of ya'll ever run into a quasi-official roadblock in a 3rd world country? Don't be surprised if it starts happening here.
Out in rural areas, you will see everything from local militias organized by a cadre from the VFW, to biker gangs running area patrols and riding shotgun on truck convoys, in exchange for safe haven in the community and/or cash.
Shit is going to get interesting.