Defining Conservatism

[Andylusion]

Again, entirely false. Facts over opinion. We know what the founding principals of the nation were, because we stated them openly in some of founding documents, including....

The Declaration of Independence: Full text We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."

Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Donald Trump did not say "Go back" as statement. Simply never happened.

He said following.....

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Sure. Changes nothing of what I said. Nothing. Nothing you said, contradicted anything I posted.

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."
Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Omar was born in Somalia.

Ilhan Omar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The others are Americans, that's true. But the statement remains true. AOC's family is from Puerto Rico. Omar from Somalia. Tlaib is from Palestine.

What do Puerto Rico, Somalia, and Palestine have in common? They are all disasters.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

That is ridiculous. The entire reason those three people are in here in our country, is specifically because our country is better.

Yet they want to tear down what we have... the greatest country in the human history, and do what exactly? What system is better than ours? Where is it?

It certainly isn't Somalia, Puerto Rico, or Palestine.

So Trump is right. He absolutely 100% correct. If your system is so much better, go and prove it first. Then you can come complain about ours.

 

[Correll]

actually, the divine right of king, is more akin to the liberal view of the State being the giver of rights. while conservatives see rights as god given

And kings were selected by god to rule over society.
Conservatives killed and died for centuries in support of that lie.

Who Are the Conservatives? - Meet the Modern American Types of Conservatives - Conservative Myths

"The divine right of kings, divine right, or God's mandate is a political and religious doctrine of political legitimacy in a monarchy.

"It stems from a specific metaphysical framework in which a king (or queen) is pre-ordained to inherit the crown before their birth.

"Under this theory of political legitimacy the subjects of the crown are considered to have actively (rather than merely passively) turned over the metaphysical selection of the king's soul – which will inhabit the body and rule them – over to God."

Divine right of kings - Wikipedia

yes. and that is the way the left looks to the state, as the source of human rights.


the conservatives, consider the rights to be god given, or inherent. the state is merely there to ensure and protect them, not to grant them.


this is the primary difference today between the two groups.



you people are feudal in your world view, we conservatives are "enlightenment era" thinkers.

 

[Correll]

mac asked you a question. you afraid to answer? oh, and it is simple question. the more evasive you get, the more you will show mac that i am right, and you are a genocidal commie..

Mac's indicated he's satisfied with my answer to HIS question. Maybe you should take the hint?

he gave you a pass, based on that answer?

lol!!


the fact that you are afraid to explicitly and honestly state your ideology, does that not tell you that your beliefs are evil and wrong?


what is your excuse for not facing that?

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Greed of politicians? Obama is worth over $145 million! He was worth barely $1 million when he entered office.

Who says that ****** was a CONservative?

Religion? Greedy? Maybe in some cases but overall, over history, certainly recent history, religion certainly has given billions upon billions to the poor. Not to mention they have given their lives.

I have a couple interesting terms to throw your way.

Mega Churches

Prosperity Theology

Now...go research that horseshit and tell me if any of that shit has any
thing to do with traditional conservative values.

So, when will Obama start giving his millions away. Why does he need so many houses. He is rich beyond what any 100 people need. Why is Obama not giving his money to those who need it most? Hell, why are people paying Obama anyhow, most likely it is a payoff for the job he did while president? The Bribes and Payoffs come after the president leaves office. Clever.

Since when was that ****** ever claiming to be a conservative?

You are making his point. Obama is not conservative, yet he's made hundreds of millions of dollars off of...... not building products... not creating jobs.... not building the economy...... He's made hundreds of millions.... off of being a politicians.

You claim conservatives are greedy.... but then we look at left-wingers like Obama, who have produced ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... and they are elite filthy rich millionaires, literally... off the backs of the hard working tax payers.

Sounds greedy to me. Give it all to me, and I don't want to work for it. Sounds like the Obama motto.

Mega Churches

Prosperity Theology

Now...go research that horseshit and tell me if any of that shit has any
thing to do with traditional conservative values.

I have no idea what are you talking about. Mega Churches have nothing to do with this conversation. What does 'prosperity theology' have to do with anything?

Let's say that prosperity theology has nothing to do with conservatism.

Ok. So why did you bring that up? What does this have to do with anything?

NO IM NOT...can't anyone read...READ? READ my original post you fucking dickwad...MY POINT is that Conservatism is DEAD.

NOW READ

It has, but I think we should examine greed, and self service in our society first. Got to fix that. Then we can be all 'conservative'. This country has a deep deep rot. There isn't a conservative leader in D.C. as far as I am concerned. Well...I am sure there is one oddball Republican who votes against the wave, is laughed at and will be PAC'd out of office.
The only thing that will cure this rot is upheaval, strife, death, and suffering. The shock of that trauma is the only thing throughout the history of man which has led him back to 'conservative' culture.
No Veronica...we are not special. We will be no different.

Fuckin hell bunch of idiots.
There ARE NO MORE Conservatives in leadership. Either fiscally or socially. The traditional concepts of Conservatism have been assumed under the guise of conservatism.
That is my point.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Yes, because it makes sense

No, it is the opposite of making sense, it takes the suspension of disbelief, common sense and reason [the foundation of liberal think] to believe otherwise.

Conservatives would rather drug addicts die of hepititis.
Serves them right

If they really wanted that they would hand out the needles themselves

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Yes, because it makes sense

No, it is the opposite of making sense, it takes the suspension of disbelief, common sense and reason [the foundation of liberal think] to believe otherwise.

Conservatives would rather drug addicts die of hepititis.
Serves them right

If they really wanted that they would hand out the needles themselves

 

[Coyote]

Again, entirely false. Facts over opinion. We know what the founding principals of the nation were, because we stated them openly in some of founding documents, including....

The Declaration of Independence: Full text We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."

Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Donald Trump did not say "Go back" as statement. Simply never happened.

He said following.....

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Sure. Changes nothing of what I said. Nothing. Nothing you said, contradicted anything I posted.

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."
Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Omar was born in Somalia.

Ilhan Omar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The others are Americans, that's true. But the statement remains true. AOC's family is from Puerto Rico. Omar from Somalia. Tlaib is from Palestine.

What do Puerto Rico, Somalia, and Palestine have in common? They are all disasters.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

That is ridiculous. The entire reason those three people are in here in our country, is specifically because our country is better.

Yet they want to tear down what we have... the greatest country in the human history, and do what exactly? What system is better than ours? Where is it?

It certainly isn't Somalia, Puerto Rico, or Palestine.

So Trump is right. He absolutely 100% correct. If your system is so much better, go and prove it first. Then you can come complain about ours.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

Really? Wait....why stop at children? What about the grandchildren of immigrants? Or the great great great grandchildren? At what magical point have they earned tbe right of Americans to criticize that in this country that could be made better?

In fact your constant refrain of sayin how “terrible” America is no different than what you rightists do. You decry the America of the ”leftists”, you say you don’t like our safetynets, you want to get rid of SS, Medicare, immigrants who don’t speak good English, immigrants from countries you don’t like, you hate the America that is confronting it’s legacy of slavery, and so on. You hate that America, right? Just like the leftists hate YOUR America, right? Or...maybe we all love our country warts and all, and seek to make it better...just like our ancestors did.

To say What Trump did about those three women was reprehensible. They are American citizens every bit as much as you, me, and Trump (the son of an immigrant from a politically acceptable ethnic background).

 

[Correll]

Again, entirely false. Facts over opinion. We know what the founding principals of the nation were, because we stated them openly in some of founding documents, including....

The Declaration of Independence: Full text We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."

Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Donald Trump did not say "Go back" as statement. Simply never happened.

He said following.....

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Sure. Changes nothing of what I said. Nothing. Nothing you said, contradicted anything I posted.

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."
Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Omar was born in Somalia.

Ilhan Omar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The others are Americans, that's true. But the statement remains true. AOC's family is from Puerto Rico. Omar from Somalia. Tlaib is from Palestine.

What do Puerto Rico, Somalia, and Palestine have in common? They are all disasters.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

That is ridiculous. The entire reason those three people are in here in our country, is specifically because our country is better.

Yet they want to tear down what we have... the greatest country in the human history, and do what exactly? What system is better than ours? Where is it?

It certainly isn't Somalia, Puerto Rico, or Palestine.

So Trump is right. He absolutely 100% correct. If your system is so much better, go and prove it first. Then you can come complain about ours.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

Really? Wait....why stop at children? What about the grandchildren of immigrants? Or the great great great grandchildren? At what magical point have they earned tbe right of Americans to criticize that in this country that could be made better?

.....

their criticism does not seem to be either constructive nor made in good faith.


and yes, if some asshole who is 5th generation is being such an asshole, i'll tell him he is welcome to "go back where he came from" or " to some socialists utopia like cuba."

 

[Coyote]

Again, entirely false. Facts over opinion. We know what the founding principals of the nation were, because we stated them openly in some of founding documents, including....

The Declaration of Independence: Full text We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."

Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Donald Trump did not say "Go back" as statement. Simply never happened.

He said following.....

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Sure. Changes nothing of what I said. Nothing. Nothing you said, contradicted anything I posted.

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."
Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Omar was born in Somalia.

Ilhan Omar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The others are Americans, that's true. But the statement remains true. AOC's family is from Puerto Rico. Omar from Somalia. Tlaib is from Palestine.

What do Puerto Rico, Somalia, and Palestine have in common? They are all disasters.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

That is ridiculous. The entire reason those three people are in here in our country, is specifically because our country is better.

Yet they want to tear down what we have... the greatest country in the human history, and do what exactly? What system is better than ours? Where is it?

It certainly isn't Somalia, Puerto Rico, or Palestine.

So Trump is right. He absolutely 100% correct. If your system is so much better, go and prove it first. Then you can come complain about ours.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

Really? Wait....why stop at children? What about the grandchildren of immigrants? Or the great great great grandchildren? At what magical point have they earned tbe right of Americans to criticize that in this country that could be made better?

.....

their criticism does not seem to be either constructive nor made in good faith.


and yes, if some asshole who is 5th generation is being such an asshole, i'll tell him he is welcome to "go back where he came from" or " to some socialists utopia like cuba."

And exactly how do you know it is not made in good faith?

 

[Correll]

Again, entirely false. Facts over opinion. We know what the founding principals of the nation were, because we stated them openly in some of founding documents, including....

The Declaration of Independence: Full text We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."

Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Donald Trump did not say "Go back" as statement. Simply never happened.

He said following.....

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Sure. Changes nothing of what I said. Nothing. Nothing you said, contradicted anything I posted.

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."
Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Omar was born in Somalia.

Ilhan Omar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The others are Americans, that's true. But the statement remains true. AOC's family is from Puerto Rico. Omar from Somalia. Tlaib is from Palestine.

What do Puerto Rico, Somalia, and Palestine have in common? They are all disasters.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

That is ridiculous. The entire reason those three people are in here in our country, is specifically because our country is better.

Yet they want to tear down what we have... the greatest country in the human history, and do what exactly? What system is better than ours? Where is it?

It certainly isn't Somalia, Puerto Rico, or Palestine.

So Trump is right. He absolutely 100% correct. If your system is so much better, go and prove it first. Then you can come complain about ours.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

Really? Wait....why stop at children? What about the grandchildren of immigrants? Or the great great great grandchildren? At what magical point have they earned tbe right of Americans to criticize that in this country that could be made better?

.....

their criticism does not seem to be either constructive nor made in good faith.


and yes, if some asshole who is 5th generation is being such an asshole, i'll tell him he is welcome to "go back where he came from" or " to some socialists utopia like cuba."

And exactly how do you know it is not made in good faith?

the hate that seems to drip from every word they say. that is not about improving this nation, but about fighting to destroy it.

 

[Coyote]

Again, entirely false. Facts over opinion. We know what the founding principals of the nation were, because we stated them openly in some of founding documents, including....

The Declaration of Independence: Full text We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."

Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Donald Trump did not say "Go back" as statement. Simply never happened.

He said following.....

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Sure. Changes nothing of what I said. Nothing. Nothing you said, contradicted anything I posted.

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."
Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Omar was born in Somalia.

Ilhan Omar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The others are Americans, that's true. But the statement remains true. AOC's family is from Puerto Rico. Omar from Somalia. Tlaib is from Palestine.

What do Puerto Rico, Somalia, and Palestine have in common? They are all disasters.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

That is ridiculous. The entire reason those three people are in here in our country, is specifically because our country is better.

Yet they want to tear down what we have... the greatest country in the human history, and do what exactly? What system is better than ours? Where is it?

It certainly isn't Somalia, Puerto Rico, or Palestine.

So Trump is right. He absolutely 100% correct. If your system is so much better, go and prove it first. Then you can come complain about ours.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

Really? Wait....why stop at children? What about the grandchildren of immigrants? Or the great great great grandchildren? At what magical point have they earned tbe right of Americans to criticize that in this country that could be made better?

.....

their criticism does not seem to be either constructive nor made in good faith.


and yes, if some asshole who is 5th generation is being such an asshole, i'll tell him he is welcome to "go back where he came from" or " to some socialists utopia like cuba."

The difference being no one will bother to trackdown their heritage and tell them to go back. But these three were uniquely and grotesquely Singled out as not being “real” Americans who as a result should not be able to speak up the way they do.

 

[Coyote]

Again, entirely false. Facts over opinion. We know what the founding principals of the nation were, because we stated them openly in some of founding documents, including....

The Declaration of Independence: Full text We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."

Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Donald Trump did not say "Go back" as statement. Simply never happened.

He said following.....

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Sure. Changes nothing of what I said. Nothing. Nothing you said, contradicted anything I posted.

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."
Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Omar was born in Somalia.

Ilhan Omar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The others are Americans, that's true. But the statement remains true. AOC's family is from Puerto Rico. Omar from Somalia. Tlaib is from Palestine.

What do Puerto Rico, Somalia, and Palestine have in common? They are all disasters.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

That is ridiculous. The entire reason those three people are in here in our country, is specifically because our country is better.

Yet they want to tear down what we have... the greatest country in the human history, and do what exactly? What system is better than ours? Where is it?

It certainly isn't Somalia, Puerto Rico, or Palestine.

So Trump is right. He absolutely 100% correct. If your system is so much better, go and prove it first. Then you can come complain about ours.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

Really? Wait....why stop at children? What about the grandchildren of immigrants? Or the great great great grandchildren? At what magical point have they earned tbe right of Americans to criticize that in this country that could be made better?

.....

their criticism does not seem to be either constructive nor made in good faith.


and yes, if some asshole who is 5th generation is being such an asshole, i'll tell him he is welcome to "go back where he came from" or " to some socialists utopia like cuba."

And exactly how do you know it is not made in good faith?

the hate that seems to drip from every word they say. that is not about improving this nation, but about fighting to destroy it.

Be specific. That is a very broad and subjective generalization.

 

[Correll]

Again, entirely false. Facts over opinion. We know what the founding principals of the nation were, because we stated them openly in some of founding documents, including....

The Declaration of Independence: Full text We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."

Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Donald Trump did not say "Go back" as statement. Simply never happened.

He said following.....

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Sure. Changes nothing of what I said. Nothing. Nothing you said, contradicted anything I posted.

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."
Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Omar was born in Somalia.

Ilhan Omar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The others are Americans, that's true. But the statement remains true. AOC's family is from Puerto Rico. Omar from Somalia. Tlaib is from Palestine.

What do Puerto Rico, Somalia, and Palestine have in common? They are all disasters.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

That is ridiculous. The entire reason those three people are in here in our country, is specifically because our country is better.

Yet they want to tear down what we have... the greatest country in the human history, and do what exactly? What system is better than ours? Where is it?

It certainly isn't Somalia, Puerto Rico, or Palestine.

So Trump is right. He absolutely 100% correct. If your system is so much better, go and prove it first. Then you can come complain about ours.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

Really? Wait....why stop at children? What about the grandchildren of immigrants? Or the great great great grandchildren? At what magical point have they earned tbe right of Americans to criticize that in this country that could be made better?

.....

their criticism does not seem to be either constructive nor made in good faith.


and yes, if some asshole who is 5th generation is being such an asshole, i'll tell him he is welcome to "go back where he came from" or " to some socialists utopia like cuba."

The difference being no one will bother to trackdown their heritage and tell them to go back. But these three were uniquely and grotesquely Singled out as not being “real” Americans who as a result should not be able to speak up the way they do.

Patriotic Americans are happy to call out anyone who acts in an anti-American asshole fashion.


There might be minor variations of exactly how we tell them to fuck off and die, but the gist of the message will be and has been the same.


you are trying to avoid discussing the fact that the gang of 4 are anti-american assholes, by focusing on their skin color and thus crying "Wacism" like that is what this is about.

hint: no one buys that shit anymore. we are on to you. even you libs buddies, know it is bullshit. they might play along, because it serves the agenda. but they know the game you are playing.

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, because it makes sense

No, it is the opposite of making sense, it takes the suspension of disbelief, common sense and reason [the foundation of liberal think] to believe otherwise.

Conservatives would rather drug addicts die of hepititis.
Serves them right

If they really wanted that they would hand out the needles themselves

What doesn’t make sense about banning disposable plastics and latex balloons ?

What is wrong with giving addicts needles rather than have them reuse them?

 

[Correll]

Again, entirely false. Facts over opinion. We know what the founding principals of the nation were, because we stated them openly in some of founding documents, including....

The Declaration of Independence: Full text We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."

Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Donald Trump did not say "Go back" as statement. Simply never happened.

He said following.....

White supremacy, genocide, and chattel slavery are all historical facts NOT opinions in American History

Sure. Changes nothing of what I said. Nothing. Nothing you said, contradicted anything I posted.

Your post contradicts your claim.
Trump told Americans who were born here "why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places they can from."
Rational thinking is something Trump isn't equipped for.

Omar was born in Somalia.

Ilhan Omar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The others are Americans, that's true. But the statement remains true. AOC's family is from Puerto Rico. Omar from Somalia. Tlaib is from Palestine.

What do Puerto Rico, Somalia, and Palestine have in common? They are all disasters.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

That is ridiculous. The entire reason those three people are in here in our country, is specifically because our country is better.

Yet they want to tear down what we have... the greatest country in the human history, and do what exactly? What system is better than ours? Where is it?

It certainly isn't Somalia, Puerto Rico, or Palestine.

So Trump is right. He absolutely 100% correct. If your system is so much better, go and prove it first. Then you can come complain about ours.

For people who are immigrants, or children of immigrants from those countries, to come here and tell us how terrible our system is.....

Really? Wait....why stop at children? What about the grandchildren of immigrants? Or the great great great grandchildren? At what magical point have they earned tbe right of Americans to criticize that in this country that could be made better?

.....

their criticism does not seem to be either constructive nor made in good faith.


and yes, if some asshole who is 5th generation is being such an asshole, i'll tell him he is welcome to "go back where he came from" or " to some socialists utopia like cuba."

And exactly how do you know it is not made in good faith?

the hate that seems to drip from every word they say. that is not about improving this nation, but about fighting to destroy it.

Be specific. That is a very broad and subjective generalization.

why? i'm speaking generally about the things i've seen them say over time.

my statement regarding them was a general statement. demanding specifics, is just you playing rhetorical games to avoid the point.

 

[georgephillip]

wow. i clearly stated it was because of their anti-american actions and beliefs, like you, you commie.

When did criticizing racism and bigoted police officers become un-American?

 

[Correll]

wow. i clearly stated it was because of their anti-american actions and beliefs, like you, you commie.

When did criticizing racism and bigoted police officers become un-American?

sorry, i don't remember the context and you cut everything, so, i'l just be assuming you made up shit.


so stop your filthy lying you fucking commie asshole.

i never said that criticizing racism or bigoted police officers was anti-american.


that was you being a faggot liar. and a commie.


all you have to do to prove me wrong, is cut and paste the full context, where i said what you claimed i said, and i will look like a fool.
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but, we both know you can't do that, cause you are a faggot liar.
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so instead, you will cut everything again, and again make another strawman argument, lying again about what i said,



because you know that being honest, will get your faggot ass totally kicked.

 

[georgephillip]

51% of all criminals were black.
30% were Hispanic.

So, you've discovered the connection between poverty rates and crime?

What percentage of those "criminals" were convicted in a trial by a jury of their peers compared to the number who accepted a plea bargain designed to advance an individual DA's career at the expense of jailing a large percentage of innocent suspects?

Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System | The Sentencing Project

"The United States criminal justice system is the largest in the world.

"At year end 2015, over 6.7 million individuals1) were under some form of correctional control in the United States, including 2.2 million incarcerated in federal, state, or local prisons and jails.2)

"The U.S. is a world leader in its rate of incarceration, dwarfing the rate of nearly every other nation.3)..."

"The United States in effect operates two distinct criminal justice systems: one for wealthy people and another for poor people and people of color.

"The wealthy can access a vigorous adversary system replete with constitutional protections for defendants.

"Yet the experiences of poor and minority defendants within the criminal justice system often differ substantially from that model due to a number of factors, each of which contributes to the overrepresentation of such individuals in the system."

 

[georgephillip]

I don't have a problem with that. Black people call themselves the N-word all the freakin time. If they can call themselves that, everyone should be able to.

The first time Trump's name appeared in the NYT it was as a defendant in a racial discrimination lawsuit. His father was arrested at a Klan rally. Trump comes from a long line of white supremacists and when a white bigot uses the N-word it means something much different that when a Black does.

 

[georgephillip]

The only difference would then be that, America is actually better than Germany in most regards. We have more wealth. We have a higher standard of living. We have lower taxes. We have more material goods. And we are an economic leader, and we have are the lone super power in the world.

Where did you get the idea Germans have a lower standard of living than Americans? How does life expectancy here compare with Germany? How about the suicide rates?


U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2019 | Commonwealth Fund

• "The U.S. spends more on health care as a share of the economy — nearly twice as much as the average OECD country — yet has the lowest life expectancy and highest suicide rates among the 11 nations.
• The U.S. has the highest chronic disease burden and an obesity rate that is two times higher than the OECD average"