Defining Conservatism

[georgephillip]

We just had some democrat groups, say openly, that the violence won't end until Trump is removed.

Which doesn't change the fact Trump behaves as an authoritarian in many of his dealings, does it? I'm not saying there are not any violent, authoritarian Democrats; hell, Trump was a Democrat all his life before running for POTUS.

 

[georgephillip]

And as for little regard for the law, unless it works in his favor..... did you miss Seattle? What do you think that is? That's a bunch of left-wingers screaming about Trump, completely disregarding the law unless it works in their favor.

Left-wing criminals in no way disprove the claim (fact) that Donald Trump is a life-long fraud, con man, and criminal. Most of the hard evidence will not be available until he's out of office, but it is coming as sure as next November's election.

Federal Criminal Offenses and the Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

"The short pieces that follow this introduction outline various ways in which the evidence compiled by the House Intelligence Committee supports the allegations of serious criminal liability by the President and otherwise supports allegations of impeachable offenses — from abuse of power, to violations of the bribery and the Federal Election Campaign Act statutes."

 

[georgephillip]

Did you miss the letter from the Seattle police?

Letter to City Council Regarding Council Ordinance 119805 – Crowd Control Tools - SPD Blotter

July 23, 2020Lorena González, President and Lisa Herbold, Public Safety ChairSeattle City Council, City Hall600 Fourth Ave, 2nd FloorSeattle, WA 98104 Re: City Council Ordinance 119805 – Crowd Control Tools Dear President González, Chairwoman Herbold, and Seattle City Council Members: SPD has...

spdblotter.seattle.gov

The Democrat City counsel made it impossible for police to stop riots and looting.

There is no clearly incitement to violence than essentially telling criminals.... the police can't stop you.

Your link:

"It is a fact that there are groups and individuals who are intent on destruction in our City. Yes, we also have seen weeks of peaceful demonstrations, but two recent events (Sunday, July 19th and Wednesday, July 22nd) have included wide-scale property destruction and attacks on officers, injuring more than a dozen, some significantly."

The fact that some leftists provoke violence is as true as the fact Donald Trump uses those instances to initiate even greater violence in order to distract from his historic failure to control the MAGA-virus.

 

[Andylusion]

Did you miss the letter from the Seattle police?

Letter to City Council Regarding Council Ordinance 119805 – Crowd Control Tools - SPD Blotter

July 23, 2020Lorena González, President and Lisa Herbold, Public Safety ChairSeattle City Council, City Hall600 Fourth Ave, 2nd FloorSeattle, WA 98104 Re: City Council Ordinance 119805 – Crowd Control Tools Dear President González, Chairwoman Herbold, and Seattle City Council Members: SPD has...

spdblotter.seattle.gov

The Democrat City counsel made it impossible for police to stop riots and looting.

There is no clearly incitement to violence than essentially telling criminals.... the police can't stop you.

Your link:

"It is a fact that there are groups and individuals who are intent on destruction in our City. Yes, we also have seen weeks of peaceful demonstrations, but two recent events (Sunday, July 19th and Wednesday, July 22nd) have included wide-scale property destruction and attacks on officers, injuring more than a dozen, some significantly."

The fact that some leftists provoke violence is as true as the fact Donald Trump uses those instances to initiate even greater violence in order to distract from his historic failure to control the MAGA-virus.

No, no excuses. I'm sorry, but there were many things that Obama said, that made me angry. None of them resulted in my thinking "Oh I can now go around and kill people like georgephillip, and steal his stuff, and burn his house down."

Never once thought Obama using the IRS to target Tea Party members, meant I was justified in causing death, attacking police, or burning stuff down.

Left-wingers are just garbage people, like you are garbage person. You actually believe, which you just basically said, that "Trump this...." means that they are excused for engaging in evil.

 

[Andylusion]

And as for little regard for the law, unless it works in his favor..... did you miss Seattle? What do you think that is? That's a bunch of left-wingers screaming about Trump, completely disregarding the law unless it works in their favor.

Left-wing criminals in no way disprove the claim (fact) that Donald Trump is a life-long fraud, con man, and criminal. Most of the hard evidence will not be available until he's out of office, but it is coming as sure as next November's election.

Federal Criminal Offenses and the Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

"The short pieces that follow this introduction outline various ways in which the evidence compiled by the House Intelligence Committee supports the allegations of serious criminal liability by the President and otherwise supports allegations of impeachable offenses — from abuse of power, to violations of the bribery and the Federal Election Campaign Act statutes."

Yeah, and I believe that Obama was fraud too. What kind of evil person, using the IRS to target completely law abiding civil Tea Party members?

Does that mean I can go burn half the city now? Well according to you, yes. Because you are evil, and left-wingers are evil.

 

[Correll]

51% of all criminals were black.
30% were Hispanic.

So, you've discovered the connection between poverty rates and crime?

What percentage of those "criminals" were convicted in a trial by a jury of their peers compared to the number who accepted a plea bargain designed to advance an individual DA's career at the expense of jailing a large percentage of innocent suspects?
...

i saw a white guy and a black guy get into a bar fight once. the black guy got arrested, the white guy not. was this wacism?

you would think so.

i would think it was because when the bartender told them, that he had called the cops and they were on the way, the white guy left, and the black guy stayed to bitch about...something.


when i left the bar, the black guy was drunk, and very angry, surrounded by cops and running his stupid mouth. i went down to the next bar on our routine, and the white guy was there, having a fine time.


a difference in behavior led to different outcome.


you are a wace baiting asshole.

 

[Andylusion]

We just had some democrat groups, say openly, that the violence won't end until Trump is removed.

Which doesn't change the fact Trump behaves as an authoritarian in many of his dealings, does it? I'm not saying there are not any violent, authoritarian Democrats; hell, Trump was a Democrat all his life before running for POTUS.

Not any worse than Obama. Regardless, none of what Trump does, justifies any other evil. I'll take Trump over idiots burning down cities.

 

[basquebromance]

liberals believe that rights are the result of government. conservatives believe rights come from God

i think i'm gonna side with God on this one

 

[Andylusion]

The only difference would then be that, America is actually better than Germany in most regards. We have more wealth. We have a higher standard of living. We have lower taxes. We have more material goods. And we are an economic leader, and we have are the lone super power in the world.

Where did you get the idea Germans have a lower standard of living than Americans? How does life expectancy here compare with Germany? How about the suicide rates?


U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2019 | Commonwealth Fund

• "The U.S. spends more on health care as a share of the economy — nearly twice as much as the average OECD country — yet has the lowest life expectancy and highest suicide rates among the 11 nations.
• The U.S. has the highest chronic disease burden and an obesity rate that is two times higher than the OECD average"

I got the idea that Germans have a lower standard of living, by people who live in Germany, and people who have moved here from Germany.

Let me explain what you are looking at. That is a receipt for chicken nuggets, and 3 ice teas. Cost? $20.

I've had steak dinners that were less than $20. Chicken nuggets and three ice teas?

https://www.thelocal.de/20191121/this-is-how-much-employees-earn-in-germany

How much do German employees actually earn?

After all deductions, the average net salary is around €1,890 per month, said Bavarian news site Merkur.de in a recent report. ​

That's $2,228 per month, or $26,700 a year.
German wages are lower than the US. So they pay a ton more for everything, and they earn lower wages.

They are poorer, and they can afford less with the little money they make.

 

[Andylusion]

51% of all criminals were black.
30% were Hispanic.

So, you've discovered the connection between poverty rates and crime?

What percentage of those "criminals" were convicted in a trial by a jury of their peers compared to the number who accepted a plea bargain designed to advance an individual DA's career at the expense of jailing a large percentage of innocent suspects?

Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System | The Sentencing Project

"The United States criminal justice system is the largest in the world.

"At year end 2015, over 6.7 million individuals1) were under some form of correctional control in the United States, including 2.2 million incarcerated in federal, state, or local prisons and jails.2)

"The U.S. is a world leader in its rate of incarceration, dwarfing the rate of nearly every other nation.3)..."

"The United States in effect operates two distinct criminal justice systems: one for wealthy people and another for poor people and people of color.

"The wealthy can access a vigorous adversary system replete with constitutional protections for defendants.

"Yet the experiences of poor and minority defendants within the criminal justice system often differ substantially from that model due to a number of factors, each of which contributes to the overrepresentation of such individuals in the system."

No I discovered a connection between who police stop, and who commits crime.

What percentage of those "criminals" were convicted in a trial by a jury of their peers compared to the number who accepted a plea bargain designed to advance an individual DA's career at the expense of jailing a large percentage of innocent suspects?

100%.

If you can prove innocent people are in prison, do so. Otherwise, false claim.


"The U.S. is a world leader in its rate of incarceration, dwarfing the rate of nearly every other nation.3)..."

More people committing crime = more people doing time.
This isn't shocking.

"The wealthy can access a vigorous adversary system replete with constitutional protections for defendants.

That is opinion. Not fact.

"The United States in effect operates two distinct criminal justice systems: one for wealthy people and another for poor people and people of color.

That's not even opinion. That's just made up lies.

Prove it, or shut up.

"Yet the experiences of poor and minority defendants within the criminal justice system often differ substantially from that model due to a number of factors, each of which contributes to the overrepresentation of such individuals in the system."

You are acting like if they had money, after being caught in gang violence, that they wouldn't go to prison? Prove it.

Bunch of lies and crap. Don't commit crime, and you don't need to worry about how much money you have when you go into court. Such a dumb argument.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

What doesn’t make sense about banning disposable plastics and latex balloons ?

What is wrong with giving addicts needles rather than have them reuse them?

The abandonment of common sense

 

[rightwinger]

What doesn’t make sense about banning disposable plastics and latex balloons ?

What is wrong with giving addicts needles rather than have them reuse them?

The abandonment of common sense

Still not following you

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Still not following you

the abandonment of reason

 

[georgephillip]

doesn't it tell you something, that you have to lie to advance your agenda?

I'm not lying when I say I am not a hardcore Marxist, and I find it hypocritical, at best, someone who continually supports a pathological liar in the White House would claim otherwise:

Commentary: I study liars. I’ve never seen one like Donald Trump.

"In Trump's first 298 days in office, however, he made 1,628 false or misleading claims or flip-flops, by The Post's tally.

"That's about six per day, far higher than the average rate in our studies.

"And of course, reporters have access to only a subset of Trump's false statements — the ones he makes publicly — so unless he never stretches the truth in private, his actual rate of lying is almost certainly higher."

 

[Correll]

doesn't it tell you something, that you have to lie to advance your agenda?

I'm not lying when I say I am not a hardcore Marxist, ...

funny, you don't follow that up with, "i'm actually a democratic socialist or whatever".


we both know what that is.


because, the qualifier you are thinking of, is something so weak ass, that if you shared it, even mac1958, would go, "ok, correll was completely right, this guy is a bloodthirst hard core commie".

what is you qualifier, that you want to be vague about? are you more a of Leninist? or a Maoist?


or, are you just flat out lying?

 

[georgephillip]

They were giving ex-military gear to police departments back in the 1990s under Bill Clinton.

Back when Trump was a Democrat Bill Clinton thought he could beat Republicans at being "tough on crime" and we are still paying the price:

How the 1994 Crime Bill Fed the Mass Incarceration Crisis

"The right way to view the (Clinton) 1994 crime bill is as the moment when both parties, at a national level, fully embraced the policies and political posturing that exacerbated the mass incarceration crisis we are trying to fix today.

"In 2019 and beyond, the best course of action for politicians who want to promote a smart justice-oriented vision for America is to disavow the 1994 crime bill and instead support a 50% cut in incarceration rates on the federal and state levels.

"Those running for federal office should pledge to use their power to close prisons once in office.

"That would be the best way to counteract the effects of the 1994 crime bill and prove that you don’t believe in the discredited tough-on-crime policies of the past."

 

[bendog]

Can it be defined? Should it be defined?

Home

www.theamericanconservative.com

WTF does Josh Hawley proposing a Roe "litmus test" have to do with

The American Conservative exists to promote a “Main Street” conservatism that opposes unchecked power in government and business; promotes the flourishing

www.theamericanconservative.com

The American Conservative

 

[Andylusion]

Yes, because it makes sense

No, it is the opposite of making sense, it takes the suspension of disbelief, common sense and reason [the foundation of liberal think] to believe otherwise.

Conservatives would rather drug addicts die of hepititis.
Serves them right

If they really wanted that they would hand out the needles themselves

What doesn’t make sense about banning disposable plastics and latex balloons ?

What is wrong with giving addicts needles rather than have them reuse them?

Nothing at all. Brilliant move. From here on, can we take all the used needles and poop, and dump them on your house?

Because there is nothing wrong with your plan at all.... so I think you should deal with the consequences you are causing others.

 

[Andylusion]

They were giving ex-military gear to police departments back in the 1990s under Bill Clinton.

Back when Trump was a Democrat Bill Clinton thought he could beat Republicans at being "tough on crime" and we are still paying the price:

How the 1994 Crime Bill Fed the Mass Incarceration Crisis

"The right way to view the (Clinton) 1994 crime bill is as the moment when both parties, at a national level, fully embraced the policies and political posturing that exacerbated the mass incarceration crisis we are trying to fix today.

"In 2019 and beyond, the best course of action for politicians who want to promote a smart justice-oriented vision for America is to disavow the 1994 crime bill and instead support a 50% cut in incarceration rates on the federal and state levels.

"Those running for federal office should pledge to use their power to close prisons once in office.

"That would be the best way to counteract the effects of the 1994 crime bill and prove that you don’t believe in the discredited tough-on-crime policies of the past."

Right, but it worked. Being tough on crime, reduced crime. This was benefit to all of society, including black people, which thanks to people like you, are now being murdered at a rate not seen since the 1990s.

 

[Andylusion]

doesn't it tell you something, that you have to lie to advance your agenda?

I'm not lying when I say I am not a hardcore Marxist, and I find it hypocritical, at best, someone who continually supports a pathological liar in the White House would claim otherwise:

Commentary: I study liars. I’ve never seen one like Donald Trump.

"In Trump's first 298 days in office, however, he made 1,628 false or misleading claims or flip-flops, by The Post's tally.

"That's about six per day, far higher than the average rate in our studies.

"And of course, reporters have access to only a subset of Trump's false statements — the ones he makes publicly — so unless he never stretches the truth in private, his actual rate of lying is almost certainly higher."

Lying does not destroy my job. Socialism does.

If I vote for Bernie Sanders.... he won't lie. He will do everything in his power to destroy the country, by wiping out jobs, while he has 3 houses, and millions of dollars.

Much like how Maduro has actually gotten fatter, and eaten food on live TV, while half the country of Venezuela, under socialism, is starving.

Trump can blab all he wants. But if he supports capitalism and freedom, I will be better off. Capitalism has worked in every single country it has been tried... no matter what the liars in government say about anything.