Defensive Gun Use

No, my little english majorette.
A quote starts and ends with a " or a '
That pile of dung was YOUR interpretation that highlighted "not be infringed"

Meaning NO REGULATION

You're so dumb you don't even understand you.
I put the words in italics

So piss off

And now are you telling me that YOU want no regulation after pissing whining and moaning in multiple threads about there being too many guns?

And I never said anything about wanting NO REGULATION

That's you making shit up

so now get back to the topic
 
The personal choice of the firearm you carry makes a BIG difference in a self defense situation. Do you want to carry a Glock 19 with a standard 15 round magazine or a five shot .38 snub nosed revolver like I do? There is a big difference betwwen those two choices. Full sized handguns are HEAVY and a pain in the ass to carry so they get left in the safe when you journey to the store for milk. My .38 snub nosed revolver is so light you hardly realize you are carrying it so it is easy to take with you when you walk out the door.

With the Glock your can fill the air with lead. I only get five tries before I have to reload (unless I am carrying a second revolver). But you are responsible for every shot you fire.

It is very difficult if not impossible to carry a full sized pistol or revolver in your pocket. It is almost impossible to conceal a rifle or shotgun of legal length although it can be done. There are agents with the Secret Service who carry submachine guns. Note this picture from the Reagan assignation attempt.

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If you open carry in a holster on your belt you will have to draw your weapon to use it for self defense. However if you open carry it is wise to use a retention holster. That may slow your draw unless you practice, practice, practice. Plus in a bad situation, putting your hand on your gun would be seen as very aggressive and could start a fight.

Carrying a handgun concealed on your belt means you likely have an item of clothing to cover the weapon which often has to be moved out of the way in order to draw the weapon. A shoulder holster enables you to easily draw your weapon in a vehicle but is not as fast on the draw as other methods of carrying.

My method of pocket carrying offers a person the opportunity to put his hand on his gun in a bad situation without appearing overly aggressive. If you are using a weapon without an external hammer you can draw it very quickly. In the 25 years I have been carrying concealed there were several times I had my hand on my snub nosed revolver in my pocket. Fortunately I did not have to draw the weapon.

Unfortunately the drawback to pocket carry is you have to use a small handgun with less ammo than a mid or full sized weapon. Compact handguns are also harder to shoot accurately at a distance. However the average gun fight involves “three rounds shot at three yards in three seconds or less.”


Another reason your choice of weapons makes a difference in defensive shooting is if for some reason I have to shove my snub nosed revolver into someone’s stomach it will still fire. A pistol will be pushed out of battery and will not fiire. That’s only reason my S&W .38 is called a belly gun.
My 9 mm is a compact model
And I don't like carrying a gun in my pants pocket as I said I carry ITWB or in an appendix holster

Snub nosed revolvers are shit for accuracy and stopping power

And again in the OP I asked if we could come to a consensus on what the definition of a defensive gun use is. I wasn't asking for made up scenarios of knife vs gun or the debate of what a person carries.
 
If I lived up north where it is not unusual to see people with a jacket on for most of the year, I would likely belt carry concealed a medium sized pistol or revolver in a cross draw holster. I am not all that fond of open carry as it might entice some fool to attempt to take my gun away from me.

However I live in the panhandle of Florida and even here a jacket is only necessary a few days each year. Right now at 5:30 PM it is 68° outside.
If I lived in FL I would appendix carry

And you don't have to wear a jacket to carry INTWB
 
According to your thinking. But what about the various laws of the States?

If an intruder into your home happens to be intent on only stealing your property, you maintain that the homeowner has or should have no right to use his gun? Why not.

In NY State, the law recognizes that a felony burglary in one’s home is a violent crime, by legal definition. Accordingly, at that moment, the homeowner is a victim of a violent crime in his own residence.

Maybe you (if you had your own legal gun in your own home and in your hand) wouldn’t shoot the burglar. But others might feel justifiably threatened. And they might pull their triggers.

Why shouldn’t they?

It all comes down to threat
Robbing an unoccupied home is not a threat
 
It all comes down to threat
Robbing an unoccupied home is not a threat
If your home is unoccupied you are not there so DUH

If anyone forces entry into your home while you are there then IMO that is a threat as defined by any reasonable person.
 
I put the words in italics

So piss off

And now are you telling me that YOU want no regulation after pissing whining and moaning in multiple threads about there being too many guns?

And I never said anything about wanting NO REGULATION

That's you making shit up

so now get back to the topic
Your words little one.
But if you want regulation, don't tell me
Tell your buddies.
 
If your home is unoccupied you are not there so DUH

If anyone forces entry into your home while you are there then IMO that is a threat as defined by any reasonable person.
Yea, if they force their way into your home, when you are home, I have a hard time thinking of a scenario when shooting them would not be legal and appropriate. Perhaps if the neighbor is an Alzheimers patient and got the houses mixed up, or a teenager who is obviously not armed and skinny short kid...but hey, Bruce Lee was probably a skinny short kid.
 
Your words little one.
But if you want regulation, don't tell me
Tell your buddies.
No they are the words in the Bill of Rights

I wasn't born when they were written so there is no way they can be mine.

And I have never had a problem with convicted felons not being able to exercise their rights because IMO the voluntarily gave up their rights when they violated the rights of their victims.
 
If your home is unoccupied you are not there so DUH

If anyone forces entry into your home while you are there then IMO that is a threat as defined by any reasonable person.

If you come home and shoot someone in your home, they were not a threat
 
If you come home and shoot someone in your home, they were not a threat
yes, if you are aware some one is in your house when you get home, entering your home and confronting that person would be you putting yourself into a position you might have to shoot someone. Call the police and take notes and pics from a safe distance.
 
If I lived in FL I would appendix carry

And you don't have to wear a jacket to carry INTWB
When the shit hits the fan, my method of pocket carry would get my firearm in action faster than your appendix carry — especially if I had my hand in my pocket on the gun to begin with.
 
My 9 mm is a compact model
And I don't like carrying a gun in my pants pocket as I said I carry ITWB or in an appendix holster

Snub nosed revolvers are shit for accuracy and stopping power

And again in the OP I asked if we could come to a consensus on what the definition of a defensive gun use is. I wasn't asking for made up scenarios of knife vs gun or the debate of what a person carries.
I still say the type of firearm you use in a defensive fight is important in any discussion of defensive gun use. A quality target pistol can stay in the black at 50 yards but that isn’t all that important in most self defensive situations.

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My snub nosed revolver fires a 38+P round which is not all that different than a 9mm.

Accuracy isn’t all that essential for a civilian in a gun fight because few self defensive gun fights occur at mote than 21 feet. Even so I can still hit a man sized silhouette target consistently at 25 yards with my S&W Model 642.


 
When the shit hits the fan, my method of pocket carry would get my firearm in action faster than your appendix carry — especially if I had my hand in my pocket on the gun to begin with.
I doubt that.

But if you need to think that to appease your ego feel free
 
I still say the type of firearm you use in a defensive fight is important in any discussion of defensive gun use. A quality target pistol can stay in the black at 50 yards but that isn’t all that important in most self defensive situations.

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My snub nosed revolver fires a 38+P round which is not all that different than a 9mm.

Accuracy isn’t all that essential for a civilian in a gun fight because few self defensive gun fights occur at mote than 21 feet. Even so I can still hit a man sized silhouette target consistently at 25 yards with my S&W Model 642.


Yeah dude I really don't care. I'm a dead shot out to 20 yards with my Glock, I know that gun inside out and backwards And IMO it is far better than a snub nose .38.

I just got a 10 mm compact that I think might actually replace my 9mm
 
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If you come home and shoot someone in your home, they were not a threat

If they happen to be standing in the same room as the door you entered. But if somebody is hiding from me and I walk through two or three rooms and find somebody in my house, you're damn right they are a threat to me.
 
Yeah dude I really don't care.

I prefer my 9mm to a snub nosed revolver and you aren't going to change my mind. There's a reason why no law enforcement or military personnel carry a .38 revolver anymore.
I am not in law enforcement and my military service ended in 1969. A revolver is a good choice for a civilian.
Yeah dude I really don't care.

I prefer my 9mm to a snub nosed revolver and you aren't going to change my mind. There's a reason why no law enforcement or military personnel carry a .38 revolver anymore.
There are a number of good arguments for why you should carry a revolver. It’s a matter of choice.

In passing, you can also carry two revolvers. I sometimes carry a S&W Model 951 PD .22 Magnum snub nosed revolver. Loaded with 7 rounds it is even lighter than my Model 642.

 

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