'Defense sources: Iran regime change not military goal, creating conditions for it is'

[Darkwind]

Their ideology changes whenever it's convenient for it to change.

A year ago, posters such as these were saying that Dems were in favor of forever wars because they profited off of them.

But now they're all for forever wars and their political cadre is absolutely profiting off of them.

Again, this is different from the Marxist/Maoist Democrats in what way?

I have always remained consistent in My ideology. I cannot be bothered with how poorly others adhere to theirs.

 

[Norm Paperman]

Are you five years old?

It seems you have no answer to the question.

Which is what I assumed.

 

[Darkwind]

It seems you have no answer to the question.

Which is what I assumed.

Why do we not give guns to infants? To mature people, this is self-evident.

That is your answer.

 

[Norm Paperman]

Why do we not give guns to infants?

That is your answer.

Infants are not adults.

Let’s try a different approach. Other than “might makes right”, what gives the US the right to pick and choose who can have nukes?

 

[Marener]

Not now we aren't. But "imminent" has never been the standard for a real threat to the United States.

When your enemy walks into a negotiation and their first words are, "We have an inalienable right to enrich Uraniaum' and that we have the materials to make 11 nukes inside of two weeks, that qualifies as an existential threat to not only the United State to all our allies in that hemisphere of the world.

It takes two weeks to enrich 60% to weapons grade. They have missiles that can hit a lot of Europe and were working on an ICBM-style missile.

But let's not forget one other aspect. It doesn't have to be on a missle but in a suitcase and that can hit anywhere in the US and the world.

When your enemy states they are going to destroy you, sane people believe them.

Who exactly is out there telling you what Iran said as they walked into the negotiation?

 

[Marener]

Again, this is different from the Marxist/Maoist Democrats in what way?

I have always remained consistent in My ideology. I cannot be bothered with how poorly others adhere to theirs.

Remember when you were against forever wars?

 

[Darkwind]

Infants are not adults.

Let’s try a different approach. Other than “might makes right”, what gives the US the right to pick and choose who can have nukes?

Our very survival. When a pattern of crazy like Iran's is proven through history, you don't get to threaten us. You don't get to be a threat to us.

Iran has proven they are infants, willing to use their ideology to enslave the entire world to their regime.

No more justification exists that exceeds our right to survive. They have a right to survive as long as they do not threaten any other nation. They failed and have forfeited the right for their regime to survive.

 

[Darkwind]

Remember when you were against forever wars?

I am still against forever wars.

Calling this a forever war does not reflect reality.

People call all kinds of things wrongly. I don't concern Myself with it.

When we exceed the 60-day threshold for this action, then I'll stop supporting it.

I said it in 2001 and I'll say it today.

Go in, break all the things, then go home.

 

[Marener]

I am still against forever wars.

Calling this a forever war does not reflect reality.

People call all kinds of things wrongly. I don't concern Myself with it.

When we exceed the 60-day threshold for this action, then I'll stop supporting it.

I said it in 2001 and I'll say it today.

Go in, break all the things, then go home.

We went in, broke things, and went home last year. Apparently it did nothing.

So we went back in again.

And with this strategy, we will be going back in perpetuity.

Sounds like a forever war.

 

[Darkwind]

We went in, broke things, and went home last year. Apparently it did nothing.

So we went back in again.

And with this strategy, we will be going back in perpetuity.

Sounds like a forever war.

No, apparently, the Iranian regime thought that would be the end of it.

Let's be clear here. The blame for all of this is on IRAN, not Israel, not the United States, not the UN.

Why is it you folk always seem to ignore what they say when they tell you they are going to kill you?

Trump tried diplomacy, far longer than I would have, but he did try to get a deal to avoid this. He [Trump and the left] are wrong in thinking that they would ever keep their word.

However, when they tell you that they have the inalienable right to enrichment and that they already have the equivelent of 11 nukes, then diplomacy is a waste of time and a threat to our survival.

It was clear that they had no intention of using nukes on the enemies of their fucked up religion.

In this instance, we are going to do more than just bread a few bunkers. I support that.

Also, regime change has an implication of our staying and fixing what was broke.

We aren't pursuing regime change, but will accept it as long as the current regime is out of power and the nation of Iran is incapable of projecting power outside its borders.

That is all I will support.

Why is it you think that they wouldn't attack us when they have the means? No, they haven't in the past is NOT a valid response to that question as they have already proven they ARE willing to go to any extreme for their goals.

 

[Norm Paperman]

Our very survival. When a pattern of crazy like Iran's is proven through history, you don't get to threaten us. You don't get to be a threat to us.

Iran has proven they are infants, willing to use their ideology to enslave the entire world to their regime.

No more justification exists that exceeds our right to survive. They have a right to survive as long as they do not threaten any other nation. They failed and have forfeited the right for their regime to survive.

How many countries has Iran invaded since 1979?

How many countries has the US invaded in that time?

How many countries has Iran bombed since 1979?

how many has the US bombed during that time?

 

[Darkwind]

How many countries has Iran invaded since 1979?

How many countries has the US invaded in that time?

How many countries has Iran bombed since 1979?

how many has the US bombed during that time?

We've invaded none. We've eliminated two threats to us since 2001.

Now, how many people and nations has Iran bombed? They have no need to invade because they have proxy armies and a good argument can be made that all of Iran's proxies are, in fact, just extensions of their own armed forces. These are forces that have taken up residence inside the host country.

Lebenon
Syria
Iraq
Yemen
Gaza and the West Bank, not technically countries in and of themselves, but it can be argued that these are occupations of Israel.
Jordan.

Why do you defend Iran against the rest of the civilized world? Are you a hired operative of Iran?

 

[Norm Paperman]

We've invaded none. We've eliminated two threats to us since 2001.

Now, how many people and nations has Iran bombed? They have no need to invade because they have proxy armies and a good argument can be made that all of Iran's proxies are, in fact, just extensions of their own armed forces. These are forces that have taken up residence inside the host country.

Lebenon
Syria
Iraq
Yemen
Gaza and the West Bank, not technically countries in and of themselves, but it can be argued that these are occupations of Israel.
Jordan.

Why do you defend Iran against the rest of the civilized world? Are you a hired operative of Iran?

The Is invaded Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Afghanistan just to name a few.

I am not defending Iran as much as I am pointing out that the US is not a white knight on a steed out to save the world.

The US has as much blood on its hands as Iran.

The US sold weapons to Iran to fund illegal wars in Latin America.

The US installed a thug drug dealer as leader of Panama and then invaded the country when he was no longer useful.

We armed Iraq to fight Iran and then invaded Iraq when they were no longer useful to us.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

You have no ******* clue what the reality is, all you know is what the US government tells you.

You tell ‘em, Baghdad Norm.

 

[Godboy]

The reasons and the goals for this immoral war change almost hourly.

They have been the same goals for years. Nothing changes. You just arent smart enough to realize that there are MANY reasons to invade Iran. They are killing citizens, they are a constant threat to the US and our allies, they sponser terrorism, and they are trying to build nukes. There is no wrong answer. Any of the above reasons are quite sufficient, especially whrn you combine them all together.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The reasons and the goals for this immoral war change almost hourly.

It’s insanity

The best thing to come from it will be regime change in Israel and America

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Don't twist and put words in my mouth.
I ask, if you pretend to care about Iranian people, so why didn't you write a word then when up to estimated 80k were massacred?

[I DID post at the time].

Yes 1,900 Iran forces killed by IDF

Over 1,900 Iranian Warfighters Killed in Ongoing Strikes, Israel Says

Israel has revealed that more than 1,900 of Iran's troops and commanders have been killed since the start of the conflict.

thedefensepost.com

30,000
50,000
80,000
2 billion Iranian killed by this heartless regime, maybe more

 

[CrusaderFrank]

They have been the same goals for years. Nothing changes. You just arent smart enough to realize that there are MANY reasons to invade Iran. They are killing citizens, they are a constant threat to the US and our allies, they sponser terrorism, and they are trying to build nukes. There is no wrong answer. Any of the above reasons are quite sufficient, especially whrn you combine them all together.

There are no good reasons for America to attack Iran

None!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Many more Americans were killed by Iran before this war started.

Where?

 

[Norm Paperman]

They have been the same goals for years. Nothing changes. You just arent smart enough to realize that there are MANY reasons to invade Iran. They are killing citizens, they are a constant threat to the US and our allies, they sponser terrorism, and they are trying to build nukes. There is no wrong answer. Any of the above reasons are quite sufficient, especially whrn you combine them all together.

You make a very good parrot just repeating what the US government tells you day in and day out.