Defense department agrees to allow Muslim cadets to wear hijabs

[Mr. President]

Tell that to the military chaplins which wear a cross on the collar of their uniform, duh.

Western symbol for non combatant. Chaplains of all religions wear it.

No they don't. Jewish. Chaplains wear a star of David, Muslim chaplains wear a crescent, Buddhist chaplains wear a tantric wheel.

Yes they CAN wear any of the 4 choosing to signify what religion they serve however many of the Chaplains I speak to wear the cross because of the universal recognition. "They don't get shot" or at least not intentionally...

 

[pinqy]

No.

Yes, the army allows wear of the kippah.

Soldiers are not allowed to wear the Yamikahin uniform.

AR 670-1 paragraph 1-7

(2) Soldiers may wear religious headgear while in uniform if the headgear meets the following criteria.
(a) It must be subdued in color (black, brown, green, dark or navy blue, or a combination of these colors).
(b) It must be of a style and size that can be completely covered by standard military headgear, and it cannot
interfere with the proper wear or functioning of protective clothing or equipment.
(c) The headgear cannot bear any writing, symbols, or pictures.
(d) Personnel will not wear religious headgear in place of military headgear when military headgear is required (outdoors, or indoors when required for duties or ceremonies).

Yes, they can. Perhaps you should try this thing I like to call "research." And of course I've personally seen soldiers wearing the kippah.

 

[High_Gravity]

Yes, the army allows wear of the kippah.

Soldiers are not allowed to wear the Yamikahin uniform.

AR 670-1 paragraph 1-7

(2) Soldiers may wear religious headgear while in uniform if the headgear meets the following criteria.
(a) It must be subdued in color (black, brown, green, dark or navy blue, or a combination of these colors).
(b) It must be of a style and size that can be completely covered by standard military headgear, and it cannot
interfere with the proper wear or functioning of protective clothing or equipment.
(c) The headgear cannot bear any writing, symbols, or pictures.
(d) Personnel will not wear religious headgear in place of military headgear when military headgear is required (outdoors, or indoors when required for duties or ceremonies).

Yes, they can. Perhaps you should try this thing I like to call "research." And of course I've personally seen soldiers wearing the kippah.

I was in the service for 7 years and I have never seen this, if this is true whats stopping Muslim females from donning the hijab while in uniform on active duty?

 

[pinqy]

Western symbol for non combatant. Chaplains of all religions wear it.

No they don't. Jewish. Chaplains wear a star of David, Muslim chaplains wear a crescent, Buddhist chaplains wear a tantric wheel.

Yes they CAN wear any of the 4 choosing to signify what religion they serve however many of the Chaplains I speak to wear the cross because of the universal recognition. "They don't get shot" or at least not intentionally...

Bull. It can't be seen from any distance. The symbol is maybe an inch tall, subdued, and worn on the chest. You can't see it from more than a few feet away. The main thing to protect chaplains is that they are unarmed.

And you're trying to say that in Afghanistan and Iraq a Muslim chaplain would prefer to wear a cross because of universal recognition? Really?

 

[pinqy]

Soldiers are not allowed to wear the Yamikahin uniform.

AR 670-1 paragraph 1-7

(2) Soldiers may wear religious headgear while in uniform if the headgear meets the following criteria.
(a) It must be subdued in color (black, brown, green, dark or navy blue, or a combination of these colors).
(b) It must be of a style and size that can be completely covered by standard military headgear, and it cannot
interfere with the proper wear or functioning of protective clothing or equipment.
(c) The headgear cannot bear any writing, symbols, or pictures.
(d) Personnel will not wear religious headgear in place of military headgear when military headgear is required (outdoors, or indoors when required for duties or ceremonies).

Yes, they can. Perhaps you should try this thing I like to call "research." And of course I've personally seen soldiers wearing the kippah.

I was in the service for 7 years and I have never seen this, if this is true whats stopping Muslim females from donning the hijab while in uniform on active duty?

A hijab doesn't fit those standards, therefore it's not generally authorized. In some locations, female soldiers are required to wear the hijab. And they can wear it at mosque while in uniform...there's an exception for that.

 

[Mr. President]

No they don't. Jewish. Chaplains wear a star of David, Muslim chaplains wear a crescent, Buddhist chaplains wear a tantric wheel.

Yes they CAN wear any of the 4 choosing to signify what religion they serve however many of the Chaplains I speak to wear the cross because of the universal recognition. "They don't get shot" or at least not intentionally...

Bull. It can't be seen from any distance. The symbol is maybe an inch tall, subdued, and worn on the chest. You can't see it from more than a few feet away. The main thing to protect chaplains is that they are unarmed.

And you're trying to say that in Afghanistan and Iraq a Muslim chaplain would prefer to wear a cross because of universal recognition? Really?

Im saying a Jewish one would wear it so the sniper didn't shoot him in the middle of his star. I am saying a muslim one would wear it because American soldiers more readily recognize it. Being unarmed isn't what keeps Chaplains safe it's the MOS dedicated to being their bodyguards.

 

[007]

Muslim Americans have fought and died for this country.

You people who hate every religion but your own sicken me

Yes they have. They have ALSO fought and died KILLING Americans by the THOUSANDS... INNOCENT Americans who have nothing to do with any war on American soil even.

You people who look at only your own vague, one sided, close minded, warped view of a much larger picture sicken me.

If you're in or representing the United States Military, you should adhere to the AMERICAN dress codes, not some other garbage from some other country that's clearly driven by a RELIGIOUS agenda.

Maybe Native American Indians should be allowed to wear feathers in their hair, and the ones from Africa should be allowed to smear red mud all over themselves with a hollow carrot over their dick, or maybe just not have any dress code at all. Just show up looking however you ******* want.

Fools.

 

[Trajan]

I am not to wound up over this.

when I worked security we allowed Sikhs to keep their headdress and their little knives ( Kirpan), its part of their long established religious beliefs. *shrugs*

 

[geauxtohell]

So, technically it wasn't "during the war," was it? It was the last battle fought and the British got their asses handed to them. They came over, they fought, they lost, they went home.

Battle of New Orleans was a minor engagement that took place "after" the War was over.

It had "zero" to do with the official war and was just a feel good moment for the American people.

Who were still in shock over the British invasion of Washington DC and the burning down of the White House.

Once again Unkotare, history books are full of information; but YOU have to open them up to find out what they say.

If the British had won that war, wouldn't we still be under the Queen right now as we are typing this?

Yes. The British would have sacked New Orleans and held on to the port. It wasn't a "minor engagement".

 

[geauxtohell]

Tell that to the military chaplins which wear a cross on the collar of their uniform, duh.

Western symbol for non combatant. Chaplains of all religions wear it.

No they don't.

Insignias and Plaques - CHAPLAINS CORPS

 

[geauxtohell]

I am not to wound up over this.

when I worked security we allowed Sikhs to keep their headdress and their little knives ( Kirpan), its part of their long established religious beliefs. *shrugs*

And they are badass warriors.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Soldiers are not allowed to wear the Yamikahin uniform.

AR 670-1 paragraph 1-7

(2) Soldiers may wear religious headgear while in uniform if the headgear meets the following criteria.
(a) It must be subdued in color (black, brown, green, dark or navy blue, or a combination of these colors).
(b) It must be of a style and size that can be completely covered by standard military headgear, and it cannot
interfere with the proper wear or functioning of protective clothing or equipment.
(c) The headgear cannot bear any writing, symbols, or pictures.
(d) Personnel will not wear religious headgear in place of military headgear when military headgear is required (outdoors, or indoors when required for duties or ceremonies).

Yes, they can. Perhaps you should try this thing I like to call "research." And of course I've personally seen soldiers wearing the kippah.

I was in the service for 7 years and I have never seen this, if this is true whats stopping Muslim females from donning the hijab while in uniform on active duty?

Actually, I never saw a female Muslim wear any kind of headgear while I was on active duty from 1982 until 2002.

However...........on my very first ship there were 1 or 2 guys running around who wore little lace hats (almost looked Jewish when I first saw them) and asked the Religious Program specialist what it was all about, and he told me that it was because they were Muslim. They could wear it around the ship as long as it didn't interfere with their work, but they couldn't wear them for inspections.

And yes, there are specifics in the uniform regs for such things, one poster has already put them on this thread.

 

[taichiliberal]

Don't really know but even so it shouldn't be allowed, thats the whole purpose of the Military uniform, if we allow people to be creative with it , it destroys the whole purpose of having one, might as well let Soldiers wear whatever the hell they want. If we allow this why not allow the men to wear turbans and grow jihadi beards?

Stop and think for a moment.....since our military is fighting FOR people/gov't whose culture it is to separate the sexes on many levels and who find women NOT wearing the hijab to be offensive, it stands to reason that female military personnel comply with the cultural standard. Also, last time I checked women are STILL not allowed on the front lines of combat with men in the US military, so their chances of taking a head shot is just as good as the military men in those areas who are not wearing combat helmets.

And for the record, your comparison to WW2 "geisha girls" and "nazis" is just plain absurd.

Why is it absurd? if we are trying not to offend the Muslims and throw our service women in hijabs we might as well have dressed up our soldiers in WW2 with swastikas and painted up our soldiers in the Pacific as geisha girls, its the same ******* thing these service women are being told to wear the hijab as to not offend the Afghans. Plus that whole women not allowed on the front lines thing is bullshit, you obviously haven't been in the Military lately because women are in just as much danger as men during deployment, its not just infantry men going behind the wire and riding in convoys.

I'm hoping you're not REALLY this ******* stupid to think that just repeating your idiocy suddenly makes it valid.

Let me dumb it down for you: We were fighting AGAINST the Nazis in WWII, so why in the hell would our soldiers dress to appease the enemy? And "geisha girls" were a part of the Japanese culture of entertainment....which has NOTHING to do with foreign women serving in the a foreign military. Also, the Japanese culture does NOT have the same cultural system as does some Middle Eastern cultures....do some homework and you'll note how the US military made certain adjustments in behavior in order to make their occupation more applicable to the Japanese culture.

And as to women serving in combat, while more women are getting involved via their specific jobs, there is STILL a ban on women directly serving in combat on par with men. Look it up.

And one should note that the photo shown is not proof that women do not wear their helmets in a hot zone.

So bottom line: your hysteria about head scarves is just that....knee jerk hysteria by low informationed neocon parrots hyped on Limbaugh.

 

[High_Gravity]

Stop and think for a moment.....since our military is fighting FOR people/gov't whose culture it is to separate the sexes on many levels and who find women NOT wearing the hijab to be offensive, it stands to reason that female military personnel comply with the cultural standard. Also, last time I checked women are STILL not allowed on the front lines of combat with men in the US military, so their chances of taking a head shot is just as good as the military men in those areas who are not wearing combat helmets.

And for the record, your comparison to WW2 "geisha girls" and "nazis" is just plain absurd.

Why is it absurd? if we are trying not to offend the Muslims and throw our service women in hijabs we might as well have dressed up our soldiers in WW2 with swastikas and painted up our soldiers in the Pacific as geisha girls, its the same ******* thing these service women are being told to wear the hijab as to not offend the Afghans. Plus that whole women not allowed on the front lines thing is bullshit, you obviously haven't been in the Military lately because women are in just as much danger as men during deployment, its not just infantry men going behind the wire and riding in convoys.

I'm hoping you're not REALLY this ******* stupid to think that just repeating your idiocy suddenly makes it valid.

Let me dumb it down for you: We were fighting AGAINST the Nazis in WWII, so why in the hell would our soldiers dress to appease the enemy? And "geisha girls" were a part of the Japanese culture of entertainment....which has NOTHING to do with foreign women serving in the a foreign military. Also, the Japanese culture does NOT have the same cultural system as does some Middle Eastern cultures....do some homework and you'll note how the US military made certain adjustments in behavior in order to make their occupation more applicable to the Japanese culture.

And as to women serving in combat, while more women are getting involved via their specific jobs, there is STILL a ban on women directly serving in combat on par with men. Look it up.

And one should note that the photo shown is not proof that women do not wear their helmets in a hot zone.

So bottom line: your hysteria about head scarves is just that....knee jerk hysteria by low informationed neocon parrots hyped on Limbaugh.

We are fighting against Muslims in Afghanistan you stupid ass ******, so why should our female service women don a hijab? the male Soldier is wearing a helmet and the females are wearing hijabs with no protection you stupid ass cock sucking ass licking ******, that is not safe and very dangerous. And you can take your no women serving in combat bullshit and stick it up your ass, you don't know jackshit about the Military, like I said before you ******* mongrel women soldiers are in the line of fire everyday as soon as they go behind the wire regardless of MOS, and the ******* enemy isn't not going to shoot at them because of some stupid legality which means absolutely nothing.

 

[taichiliberal]

Why is it absurd? if we are trying not to offend the Muslims and throw our service women in hijabs we might as well have dressed up our soldiers in WW2 with swastikas and painted up our soldiers in the Pacific as geisha girls, its the same ******* thing these service women are being told to wear the hijab as to not offend the Afghans. Plus that whole women not allowed on the front lines thing is bullshit, you obviously haven't been in the Military lately because women are in just as much danger as men during deployment, its not just infantry men going behind the wire and riding in convoys.

I'm hoping you're not REALLY this ******* stupid to think that just repeating your idiocy suddenly makes it valid.

Let me dumb it down for you: We were fighting AGAINST the Nazis in WWII, so why in the hell would our soldiers dress to appease the enemy? And "geisha girls" were a part of the Japanese culture of entertainment....which has NOTHING to do with foreign women serving in the a foreign military. Also, the Japanese culture does NOT have the same cultural system as does some Middle Eastern cultures....do some homework and you'll note how the US military made certain adjustments in behavior in order to make their occupation more applicable to the Japanese culture.

And as to women serving in combat, while more women are getting involved via their specific jobs, there is STILL a ban on women directly serving in combat on par with men. Look it up.

And one should note that the photo shown is not proof that women do not wear their helmets in a hot zone.

So bottom line: your hysteria about head scarves is just that....knee jerk hysteria by low informationed neocon parrots hyped on Limbaugh.

We are fighting against Muslims in Afghanistan you stupid ass ******, so why should our female service women don a hijab? the male Soldier is wearing a helmet and the females are wearing hijabs with no protection you stupid ass cock sucking ass licking ******, that is not safe and very dangerous. And you can take your no women serving in combat bullshit and stick it up your ass, you don't know jackshit about the Military, like I said before you ******* mongrel women soldiers are in the line of fire everyday as soon as they go behind the wire regardless of MOS, and the ******* enemy isn't not going to shoot at them because of some stupid legality which means absolutely nothing.

I love it when just some simple facts and logic reduce neocon simpletons like "high gravity" to a bunch of petulant schoolyard children screaming their frustrated little heads off because they realize they lost the argument.

Is the photo taken in a hot zone engaging the enemy? Nope, but clowns like "High Gravity" ASSUME it is to make his assertions plausible.

Women are STILL "officially" banned from combat...and the wearing of the scarf is NOT a replacement for the helmet WHEN IN THE COMBAT ZONE.

So unless this "high gravity" buffoon can FACTUALLY disprove what I've posted, I won't waste time responding to his repetitive dribble.

Military panel: Allow women in combat - US news - Life - msnbc.com

 

[High_Gravity]

I'm hoping you're not REALLY this ******* stupid to think that just repeating your idiocy suddenly makes it valid.

Let me dumb it down for you: We were fighting AGAINST the Nazis in WWII, so why in the hell would our soldiers dress to appease the enemy? And "geisha girls" were a part of the Japanese culture of entertainment....which has NOTHING to do with foreign women serving in the a foreign military. Also, the Japanese culture does NOT have the same cultural system as does some Middle Eastern cultures....do some homework and you'll note how the US military made certain adjustments in behavior in order to make their occupation more applicable to the Japanese culture.

And as to women serving in combat, while more women are getting involved via their specific jobs, there is STILL a ban on women directly serving in combat on par with men. Look it up.

And one should note that the photo shown is not proof that women do not wear their helmets in a hot zone.

So bottom line: your hysteria about head scarves is just that....knee jerk hysteria by low informationed neocon parrots hyped on Limbaugh.

We are fighting against Muslims in Afghanistan you stupid ass ******, so why should our female service women don a hijab? the male Soldier is wearing a helmet and the females are wearing hijabs with no protection you stupid ass cock sucking ass licking ******, that is not safe and very dangerous. And you can take your no women serving in combat bullshit and stick it up your ass, you don't know jackshit about the Military, like I said before you ******* mongrel women soldiers are in the line of fire everyday as soon as they go behind the wire regardless of MOS, and the ******* enemy isn't not going to shoot at them because of some stupid legality which means absolutely nothing.

I love it when just some simple facts and logic reduce neocon simpletons like "high gravity" to a bunch of petulant schoolyard children screaming their frustrated little heads off because they realize they lost the argument.

Is the photo taken in a hot zone engaging the enemy? Nope, but clowns like "High Gravity" ASSUME it is to make his assertions plausible.

Women are STILL "officially" banned from combat...and the wearing of the scarf is NOT a replacement for the helmet WHEN IN THE COMBAT ZONE.

So unless this "high gravity" buffoon can FACTUALLY disprove what I've posted, I won't waste time responding to his repetitive dribble.

Military panel: Allow women in combat - US news - Life - msnbc.com

Those female soldiers are outside the wire carrying their rifles you ******* cock sucker, the ******* enemy does not care if they are "banned" from combat or not they will shoot at them just like any other soldier out there, you literally don't know jack shit about the Military women may technically be "banned" from combat but they are seeing their fair share of it in Afghanistan, civilians like you who think they know everything about the Military by watching some CNN and playing Medal of Honor are a ******* joke, put your boyfriends dick in your mouth and shut the **** up about Military issues which you obviously know nothing about ******.

 

[High_Gravity]

I guess these female service men didn't get your ******* memo about being "banned" from combat.

Female troops in Iraq exposed to combat - CNN

Combat kills another female soldier in Afghanistan | McClatchy

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/22/world/asia/22afghanistan.html?pagewanted=all

Army Pfc. Lori Ann Piestewa

American female Military personnel ARE engaging in direct combat with the enemy and dying, this is going on in Afghanistan right now, these technicalities about them being "banned" from combat are just silly legalities that the enemy doesn't give a shit about, open your ******* eyes idiot.

 

[High_Gravity]

Elite female soldiers in Afghanistan bring the counterinsurgency behind the burka - Los Angeles Times

1st female soldier killed in combat | Tulsa Beacon

It was him or me, says the first female soldier to kill in combat - OnlineNigeria News

Here is a few more Female Soldiers who engaged the enemy in combat, guess they didn't get your memo that they didn't have to do that ******.

 

[taichiliberal]

High Gravity is just another blowhard, folks. He keeps posting articles about female American soldiers getting killed while serving in a war zone....but to date he CANNOT PRODUCE A SINGLE ARTICLE THAT STATES IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT WOMAN ARE MANDATED AND DIRECTED TO SERVE IN ACTIVE COMBAT MISSIONS EQUALLY WITH THEIR MALE COUNTER-PARTS. The article I linked clearly reported that the issue is STILL being debated on Capitol Hill.

Also, the photo that High Gravity is so hyped about is NOT showing female soldiers in a fire fight. A simple google search will display photos of male soldiers in the same areas with and without helmets on. And here's a little OFFICIAL tidbit that "high gravity" refuses to acknowledge:

2) Soldiers may wear religious headgear while in uniform if the headgear meets the following criteria.
(a) It must be subdued in color (black, brown, green, dark or navy blue, or a combination of these colors).
(b) It must be of a style and size that can be completely covered by standard military headgear, and it cannot
interfere with the proper wear or functioning of protective clothing or equipment.
(c) The headgear cannot bear any writing, symbols, or pictures.
(d) Personnel will not wear religious headgear in place of military headgear when military headgear is required (outdoors, or indoors when required for duties or ceremonies).

Bottom line: the hysterical bigoted and ignorant BS that jokers like High Gravity pollute this thread with has been factually and logically debunked, casting serious doubt on High Gravity's claim of military service. All he and his ilk can now do is just repeat their garbage ad nauseum. But the chronology of the post will always be their undoing. Let's watch them squawk and dance, folks.

 

[Unkotare]

Actually, it sounds like he knows what he is talking about and you don't.