Today's "ditch diggers"

[Woodznutz]

The term ditch digger brings to mind an uneducated laborer wielding pick and shovel. However, while such tools are still used today's ditch digger is a skilled operator of heavy machinery and is well paid.

What is an Operating Engineer? - IUOE Local 150 | International Union Of Operating Engineers

Operating Engineers cover a variety of job classifications in industries such as highway and building construction (sometimes called Hoisting and Portable, descriptive of the type of equipment used), mining, toll ways, municipalities, tunnels, slag, landscaping, power plants, refineries...

local150.org

 

[Anathema]

“Operating Engineer” is going to cause them some trouble pretty quickly. Just like “Domestic Engineer” and “Waste Engineer”!caused housewives and trash collectors a couple decades ago.

See… the term “engineer” has an actual definition.,it requires a certain level of education, testing, experience, etc… The engineering community has in the last 25-30 years actually started demanding enforcement of that definition. It hit my own employer, who was forced to change certain job titles from Engineer to Designer or see the actual Engineers walk off the job.

 

[Woodznutz]

“Operating Engineer” is going to cause them some trouble pretty quickly. Just like “Domestic Engineer” and “Waste Engineer”!caused housewives and trash collectors a couple decades ago.

See… the term “engineer” has an actual definition.,it requires a certain level of education, testing, experience, etc… The engineering community has in the last 25-30 years actually started demanding enforcement of that definition. It hit my own employer, who was forced to change certain job titles from Engineer to Designer or see the actual Engineers walk off the job.

This happened to a guy I knew who ran an automotive repair shop. He used the term "engineering" on his outside sign, and was sued to changed it, which he eventually did.

 

[Anathema]

This happened to a guy I knew who ran an automotive repair shop. He used the term "engineering" on his outside sign, and was sued to changed it, which he eventually did.

Engineers, Doctors, and Lawyers… the three career paths which require a specific c degree, experience and testing to use the title. Doctors and Lawyers have always protected their titles. Engineers are starting to, and Doctors are starting to push back against PhD holders using the title Doctor as well.

 

[Woodznutz]

Engineers, Doctors, and Lawyers… the three career paths which require a specific c degree, experience and testing to use the title. Doctors and Lawyers have always protected their titles. Engineers are starting to, and Doctors are starting to push back against PhD holders using the title Doctor as well.

Thanks to "Dr." Jill?

 

[Anathema]

Thanks to "Dr." Jill?

No, that fight has been going on for probably a decade and a half. It’s largely on the college campuses from what I’ve seen so far, but it seems to be growing.,

 

[Woodznutz]

No, that fight has been going on for probably a decade and a half. It’s largely on the college campuses from what I’ve seen so far, but it seems to be growing.,

I never heard of it until Jill insisted on the title publicly.

 

[The Duke]

What about "Automotive Engineering"?
It gives your car that custom feeling!

 

[Anathema]

What about "Automotive Engineering"?
It gives your car that custom feeling!

No it doesn’t. It just allows them to charge you another $12K for the car

 

[The Duke]

forctgeccar

^wtf is that?

 

[Anathema]

^wtf is that?

That’s what happens when you try to type “for the car” with fat fingers on a small phone keyboard.

 

[Muhammed]

“Operating Engineer” is going to cause them some trouble pretty quickly. Just like “Domestic Engineer” and “Waste Engineer”!caused housewives and trash collectors a couple decades ago.

See… the term “engineer” has an actual definition.,it requires a certain level of education, testing, experience, etc… The engineering community has in the last 25-30 years actually started demanding enforcement of that definition. It hit my own employer, who was forced to change certain job titles from Engineer to Designer or see the actual Engineers walk off the job.

We've been called operating engineers since the 19th century. Where's the trouble?

 

[Anathema]

We've been called operating engineers since the 19th century. Where's the trouble?

What’s you Engineering degree in? Which state governing body issues your licensing and does your testing?

It makes no difference to me as I’m not, never have been and never will be an engineer; but I’ve been around to see several arguments of significant value on the topic over the years.

 

[Muhammed]

What’s you Engineering degree in? Which state governing body issues your licensing and does your testing?

I asked first. Where's the trouble?

 

[Woodznutz]

We've been called operating engineers since the 19th century. Where's the trouble?

True. The definition is credible. To wit: the bolded parts.

Definition

en·gin·eer·ing
[ˌɛn(d)ʒɪˈnɪərɪŋ]
Noun
engineering (noun)

1. the branch of science and technology concerned with the design, building, and use (operation) of engines, machines, and structures:
   "he wants to study engineering"
   "an engineering degree"
   • work done by an engineer or engineers:
     "with its advanced features and superior engineering, it stands out as a game changer"
     "a local engineering firm"
   • a field of study or activity concerned with modification or development in a particular area:
     "software engineering"
2. the action of working artfully to bring something about:
   "if not for his shrewd engineering, the election would have been lost"

 

[Woodznutz]

The operator of a large machine is an "engineer" in the same sense that the operator of a train engine is an engineer.