Defeat From the Jaws of Victory

[kiwiman127]

because pubs are idiots on this and were pandering to their base

how can you call deficits under bush bush's deficits, but now under obama they are no longer obama's deficits....the extension to the tax cuts did not raise the deficit....UB did and obama's trillion other dollars have as well....but strangely you're not going to call any of it obama's deficit

Yeah, you're right. Once Obama took office even the futre deficits from past presidents are now his (Per example Medicare Part B @ around 100 billion per year, or the continued costs of the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan and the continued care of our physically/mentally wounded troops, estimated in the trillions of dollars).
The next prez will be stuck with the costs of Obamacare if it surives repeal and other Obaba programs that are classifed as future deficits..

thats not what i said....why is it people have to twist other's comments around in order to try and score a cheap interweb message board point?

How am I twisting around facts or what you said? I was sorta agreeing with you,,factually speaking of course.

 

[jillian]

Bush and obama both won because of weaknesses in our electoral system.

obama won with 365 electoral votes and the majority of the electorate... unlike bush who was appointed by his daddy's appointee who should have recused from hearing bush v gore.

i was referring to the primaries with obama and the electoral college with bush.

ok.. but obama would have won the primaries anyway, imo.

 

[Dr Grump]

That's how he holds office. He even stole THAT.

Er, Bush is no longer president..
...and, um, if you are talking about Obama, um, I never took you for a troofer....

Don't you mean "Birther"?

Probably...you Yanks have so many conspiracy theories going on at once, it's hard to tell what is what....

I did mean birther....

What's a troofer? Twin towers??

 

[goldcatt]

obama won with 365 electoral votes and the majority of the electorate... unlike bush who was appointed by his daddy's appointee who should have recused from hearing bush v gore.

i was referring to the primaries with obama and the electoral college with bush.

ok.. but obama would have won the primaries anyway, imo.

I don't know if he would have or not, but the primaries technically are nothing but private partisan functions run on the taxpayer's dime. So if that's what the party decided, that's the last word.

 

[EriktheRed]

Er, Bush is no longer president..
...and, um, if you are talking about Obama, um, I never took you for a troofer....

Don't you mean "Birther"?

Probably...you Yanks have so many conspiracy theories going on at once, it's hard to tell what is what....

I did mean birther....

What's a troofer? Twin towers??

Yeah, "truthers" are people who believe the 9/11 attacks were an inside job.

 

[WillowTree]

What about those waivers????

 

[WillowTree]

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[Yurt]

Er, Bush is no longer president..
...and, um, if you are talking about Obama, um, I never took you for a troofer....

Bush and obama both won because of weaknesses in our electoral system.

obama won with 365 electoral votes and the majority of the electorate... unlike bush who was appointed by his daddy's appointee who should have recused from hearing bush v gore.

jillian, jillian, jillian......you're like a troofer or a birther

MEDIA RECOUNT: BUSH
WON THE 2000 ELECTION

In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.

Online NewsHour: Media Recount: Bush Won

 

[jillian]

Bush and obama both won because of weaknesses in our electoral system.

obama won with 365 electoral votes and the majority of the electorate... unlike bush who was appointed by his daddy's appointee who should have recused from hearing bush v gore.

jillian, jillian, jillian......you're like a troofer or a birther

MEDIA RECOUNT: BUSH
WON THE 2000 ELECTION

In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.

Online NewsHour: Media Recount: Bush Won

aw honey... puleeze. if they believed that, scalia would have recused and they would have followed two hundred years of election law precedent.

just understand that to me it's mostly a non-issue now because it's water under the bridge. i only raised it in response to the silly assertion about the president somehow "stealing" the election. that's just p'nuts

 

[jillian]

i was referring to the primaries with obama and the electoral college with bush.

ok.. but obama would have won the primaries anyway, imo.

I don't know if he would have or not, but the primaries technically are nothing but private partisan functions run on the taxpayer's dime. So if that's what the party decided, that's the last word.

yep.

and i don't have to agree with it.. but is what it is.

 

[Yurt]

obama won with 365 electoral votes and the majority of the electorate... unlike bush who was appointed by his daddy's appointee who should have recused from hearing bush v gore.

jillian, jillian, jillian......you're like a troofer or a birther

MEDIA RECOUNT: BUSH
WON THE 2000 ELECTION

In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.

Online NewsHour: Media Recount: Bush Won

aw honey... puleeze. if they believed that, scalia would have recused and they would have followed two hundred years of election law precedent.

sugar snaps....bush won, do you think he stole the election? there was no reason for scalia to recuse himself, if he recuses simply because he was appointed by a former president, then all of them would have to be recused

 

[jillian]

jillian, jillian, jillian......you're like a troofer or a birther

MEDIA RECOUNT: BUSH
WON THE 2000 ELECTION

In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.

Online NewsHour: Media Recount: Bush Won

aw honey... puleeze. if they believed that, scalia would have recused and they would have followed two hundred years of election law precedent.

sugar snaps....bush won, do you think he stole the election? there was no reason for scalia to recuse himself, if he recuses simply because he was appointed by a former president, then all of them would have to be recused

no.. he was hunting buddies with cheney. that's why he should have recused... as any judge in any normal court should have.

do i think he stole the election? no. i think it was handed to him. but again. that doesn't really matter now, does it? the world would have been a better place had it not been done that way.

 

[elvis]

obama won with 365 electoral votes and the majority of the electorate... unlike bush who was appointed by his daddy's appointee who should have recused from hearing bush v gore.

jillian, jillian, jillian......you're like a troofer or a birther

MEDIA RECOUNT: BUSH
WON THE 2000 ELECTION

In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.

Online NewsHour: Media Recount: Bush Won

aw honey... puleeze. if they believed that, scalia would have recused and they would have followed two hundred years of election law precedent.

just understand that to me it's mostly a non-issue now because it's water under the bridge. i only raised it in response to the silly assertion about the president somehow "stealing" the election. that's just p'nuts

maybe if Gore had wanted all the counties recounted; not just the ones he thought he should have won......
and I believe the recount by the Herald was conducted after the supreme court decision.

 

[Ropey]

They also solved world peace, cured cancer and harnessed fusion...

Awesome...

no, hon.. that's next term.

Do you foresee a Dem second term win?

 

[elvis]

aw honey... puleeze. if they believed that, scalia would have recused and they would have followed two hundred years of election law precedent.

sugar snaps....bush won, do you think he stole the election? there was no reason for scalia to recuse himself, if he recuses simply because he was appointed by a former president, then all of them would have to be recused

no.. he was hunting buddies with cheney. that's why he should have recused... as any judge in any normal court should have.

do i think he stole the election? no. i think it was handed to him. but again. that doesn't really matter now, does it? the world would have been a better place had it not been done that way.

world would have been a better place if Rove hadn't sent pictures of McCain's family throughout the south accusing McCain of having a black baby out of wedlock.

 

[goldcatt]

sugar snaps....bush won, do you think he stole the election? there was no reason for scalia to recuse himself, if he recuses simply because he was appointed by a former president, then all of them would have to be recused

no.. he was hunting buddies with cheney. that's why he should have recused... as any judge in any normal court should have.

do i think he stole the election? no. i think it was handed to him. but again. that doesn't really matter now, does it? the world would have been a better place had it not been done that way.

world would have been a better place if Rove hadn't sent pictures of McCain's family throughout the south accusing McCain of having a black baby out of wedlock.

Can't argue with that.

 

[Vast LWC]

if you call the 'base' what bush did... 'the rich and the richer', i suppose that's true. but isn't that silly?

as to your question, that's a good one. and i'm not sure how he does get around it. if he reminds everyone constantly that he was forced into it by the repubs holding all the rest of the legislation hostage then he looks weak. if he owns it, he looks irresponsible. it's a lose/lose which is what i said from the beginning. however, in terms of approval rating and backing from the center, which is what he needs for re-election, then he did absolutely the right thing. and because it was absolutely the right thing, i never never expected mcconnell to be able to lose control of his senators. but he did.

and that makes it interesting. i do think they'll have to raise the social security age, though.

Yeah, I'm with you on the SS thing. Needs to go up to about 70 and real soon, unless we want to see it collapse under it's own weight.

 

[Vast LWC]

world would have been a better place if Rove hadn't sent pictures of McCain's family throughout the south accusing McCain of having a black baby out of wedlock.

Now THAT's a statement I can definitely get behind.

McCain would have been a much better president than Bush, that's for sure.

 

[8537]

They also solved world peace, cured cancer and harnessed fusion...

Awesome...

no, hon.. that's next term.

Wow, pass a couple of lefty favorites and she's already sucking his large Negro cock again. No wonder Obama's popularity shifts with the Left. They have no loyalty whatsoever.

Always classy.

 

[shintao]

Gotta agree.

None of this was high priority for the Dems before the Nov elections. Nothing stands in the way of possibly getting elected doncha know??

Hells bells. Any and all could have been handled next month by the new Congress.

I'm sure Harry Reid feels like superman. LOL

Yea, we "know" what you mean by "Handled." LOL!!