Defeat From the Jaws of Victory

[rightwinger]

a few points-

Jillian, did you read the actual poll? I think you should if you have not.

a number of reps voted for dadt and the start treaty...yes?


in your opinion the only thing driving reps is tax cuts for the rich? have you considered a sense of fairness? And if its so bad why did Obama come to them to make a deal?

i did. and it wouldn't be my poll of choice. normally i'd rely on the RCP average or my guy nate silver at fivethirtyeight. well, ok, he's not really my guy but i love fivethirtyeight

yes. they did. bless their hearts.

i do think for the party at large... the mitch mcconnell, ihopehefails crowd, tax cuts were all that mattered. i don't think there was anything fair about keeping those cuts in place when we need to pay our bills. you can't spend money you don't have and it was stupid for bush to enact those tax cuts during wartime and it's no less so now.

why do i think obama made the deal? two reasons... first, he wanted to get to the rest of his agenda... and that turned out rather well for him today. and second he wants to be re-elected and his approval ratings went up because everyone loves tax cuts.

Just goes to show the Republicans are a one trick pony. Give them their tax cuts for the wealthy and all their objections to other critical legislation disappears.

Obama made a deal with the devil on this one. He knew his window of opportunity to pass DADT repeal, START and 9-11 responder support would close once the new Congress took hold. Offering the tax cut enabled him to get the rest of his agenda passed

 

[EriktheRed]

Obama made a deal with the devil on this one. He knew his window of opportunity to pass DADT repeal, START and 9-11 responder support would close once the new Congress took hold. Offering the tax cut enabled him to get the rest of his agenda passed

And personally, I'm not so sure it was all worth it.

 

[Trajan]

a few points-

Jillian, did you read the actual poll? I think you should if you have not.

a number of reps voted for dadt and the start treaty...yes?


in your opinion the only thing driving reps is tax cuts for the rich? have you considered a sense of fairness? And if its so bad why did Obama come to them to make a deal?

i did. and it wouldn't be my poll of choice. normally i'd rely on the RCP average or my guy nate silver at fivethirtyeight. well, ok, he's not really my guy but i love fivethirtyeight

yes. they did. bless their hearts.

i do think for the party at large... the mitch mcconnell, ihopehefails crowd, tax cuts were all that mattered. i don't think there was anything fair about keeping those cuts in place when we need to pay our bills. you can't spend money you don't have and it was stupid for bush to enact those tax cuts during wartime and it's no less so now.

why do i think obama made the deal? two reasons... first, he wanted to get to the rest of his agenda... and that turned out rather well for him today. and second he wants to be re-elected and his approval ratings went up because everyone loves tax cuts.

Just goes to show the Republicans are a one trick pony. Give them their tax cuts for the wealthy and all their objections to other critical legislation disappears.

Obama made a deal with the devil on this one. He knew his window of opportunity to pass DADT repeal, START and 9-11 responder support would close once the new Congress took hold. Offering the tax cut enabled him to get the rest of his agenda passed

so HE caved...

 

[rightwinger]

...and we get to run against Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the Obama economy again in 2012! (If Obama allows election that is)

who are we gonna run against him?

Won't matter. Shaved monkey will win against that crew.

I don't appreciate you calling Palin a shaved monkey


Neither does the monkey

 

[Dr.House]

who are we gonna run against him?

Won't matter. Shaved monkey will win against that crew.

You mean the way McCain and Palin did?

Barry was just a community organizer back then - he now has two years of ******* up the country under his belt...

The best thing that could happen is if he resigns to pursue a pro golfing career....

 

[elvis]

Won't matter. Shaved monkey will win against that crew.

You mean the way McCain and Palin did?

Barry was just a community organizer back then - he now has two years of ******* up the country under his belt...

The best thing that could happen is if he resigns to pursue a pro golfing career....

who we gonna run against him?

 

[Meister]

Won't matter. Shaved monkey will win against that crew.

You mean the way McCain and Palin did?

Barry was just a community organizer back then - he now has two years of ******* up the country under his belt...

The best thing that could happen is if he resigns to pursue a pro golfing career....

I'm guessing a career in basketball, from what I understand he can take a mean elbow to the kisser.

 

[8537]

You mean the way McCain and Palin did?

Barry was just a community organizer back then - he now has two years of ******* up the country under his belt...

The best thing that could happen is if he resigns to pursue a pro golfing career....

who we gonna run against him?

Either a shaved monkey or Sarah Palin....

But I repeat myself.

 

[Dr.House]

You mean the way McCain and Palin did?

Barry was just a community organizer back then - he now has two years of ******* up the country under his belt...

The best thing that could happen is if he resigns to pursue a pro golfing career....

who we gonna run against him?

It's too early to tell, IMHO...

Lots can and will happen in 2011...

 

[Modbert]

who we gonna run against him?

Haley Barbour. Owai-

Analysis: Controversy hurts Barbour White House prospects | Reuters

In an interview published online in the Weekly Standard magazine Barbour defended the role white Citizens Councils played in his home town of Yazoo City, central Mississippi, during the civil rights era in the 1950s and 1960s.

The councils are widely seen as having opposed the movement that used peaceful protest in the face of repression to end a brutal system of racial segregation in the South and to win for black Americans the right to vote.

Barbour clarified those remarks on Tuesday in a statement published on his website, calling the Citizens Councils "totally indefensible, as is segregation."

 

[DiveCon]

who we gonna run against him?

Haley Barbour. Owai-

Analysis: Controversy hurts Barbour White House prospects | Reuters

In an interview published online in the Weekly Standard magazine Barbour defended the role white Citizens Councils played in his home town of Yazoo City, central Mississippi, during the civil rights era in the 1950s and 1960s.

The councils are widely seen as having opposed the movement that used peaceful protest in the face of repression to end a brutal system of racial segregation in the South and to win for black Americans the right to vote.

Barbour clarified those remarks on Tuesday in a statement published on his website, calling the Citizens Councils "totally indefensible, as is segregation."

yes, nice preemptive smear campaign

 

[elvis]

Barry was just a community organizer back then - he now has two years of ******* up the country under his belt...

The best thing that could happen is if he resigns to pursue a pro golfing career....

who we gonna run against him?

Either a shaved monkey or Sarah Palin....

But I repeat myself.

You're a dipshit. You're a dipshit.

So do I.

 

[Yurt]

a few points-

Jillian, did you read the actual poll? I think you should if you have not.

a number of reps voted for dadt and the start treaty...yes?


in your opinion the only thing driving reps is tax cuts for the rich? have you considered a sense of fairness? And if its so bad why did Obama come to them to make a deal?

i did. and it wouldn't be my poll of choice. normally i'd rely on the RCP average or my guy nate silver at fivethirtyeight. well, ok, he's not really my guy but i love fivethirtyeight

yes. they did. bless their hearts.

i do think for the party at large... the mitch mcconnell, ihopehefails crowd, tax cuts were all that mattered. i don't think there was anything fair about keeping those cuts in place when we need to pay our bills. you can't spend money you don't have and it was stupid for bush to enact those tax cuts during wartime and it's no less so now.

why do i think obama made the deal? two reasons... first, he wanted to get to the rest of his agenda... and that turned out rather well for him today. and second he wants to be re-elected and his approval ratings went up because everyone loves tax cuts.

Just goes to show the Republicans are a one trick pony. Give them their tax cuts for the wealthy and all their objections to other critical legislation disappears.

Obama made a deal with the devil on this one. He knew his window of opportunity to pass DADT repeal, START and 9-11 responder support would close once the new Congress took hold. Offering the tax cut enabled him to get the rest of his agenda passed

lol

thats pure fiction...the dems finally debated the responder bill...that is what passed that, not obama....start...pray tell how the tax cuts helped with start given some pubs were still against it

dadt...nothing to do with tax cuts, good lord, your view of current events is definitely seen through harsh partisan eyes

 

[8537]

who we gonna run against him?

Either a shaved monkey or Sarah Palin....

But I repeat myself.

You're a dipshit. You're a dipshit.

So do I.

Touche

nicely played, Elvis.

 

[Modbert]

yes, nice preemptive smear campaign

Smear campaign? He's the one who put his own foot into his own mouth.

Like he had a chance anyway. Do you really think the GOP is going to pick a candidate who is the governor of the state that state flag has the rebel flag in it against the first African American President?

Like I've said time and time again, the GOP biggest enemy in 2012 isn't the Democrats or Liberals. It's themselves. They will destroy each other in the race to the top of the mountain for the nomination.

 

[elvis]

yes, nice preemptive smear campaign

Smear campaign? He's the one who put his own foot into his own mouth.

Like he had a chance anyway. Do you really think the GOP is going to pick a candidate who is the governor of the state that state flag has the rebel flag in it against the first African American President?

Like I've said time and time again, the GOP biggest enemy in 2012 isn't the Democrats or Liberals. It's themselves. They will destroy each other in the race to the top of the mountain for the nomination.

what did he say?

 

[Modbert]

what did he say?

Why Haley Barbour whitewashes history - War Room - Salon.com

Who'd have figured that the first major blow to Haley Barbour's 2012 White House hopes would be delivered by ... the Weekly Standard? Bill Kristol's magazine is out today with a profile of the Mississippi governor, written by Andrew Ferguson, in which Barbour downplays the upheaval of the civil rights movement and characterizes the notorious White Citizens Councils of the 1950s and 1960s as a force for good.

Asked about coming of age in Yazoo City, Miss., during the civil rights "revolution," Barbour, who was 16 when three civil rights workers were murdered in the state in the summer of 1964, tells Ferguson, "I just don't remember it as being that bad." He goes on to talk of standing "at the periphery" when Martin Luther King Jr. spoke in his hometown (but not really paying attention to what was said because he was too busy looking at girls) and to salute the Citizens Council for (supposedly) ensuring the peaceful integration of Yazoo City's schools -- something that was achieved 15 years after Brown v. Board of Education. Barbour tells Ferguson:

But it wasn't -- and it isn't -- just Northerners who saw a connection between the Citizens Councils and the Klan. Here's how the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette explained the history of the Councils in 1996:

The Delta was home to the Citizens Councils, a name familiar to Southerners who lived through the turbulent 1950s and '60s. The first Citizens Council was organized by ardent segregationists at Indianola during the summer of 1954. By the next year, there were 60,000 members in Mississippi. The councils claimed to oppose violence, but their goal was to prevent black inroads during those nascent days of the civil rights movement and to protect what members characterized as the "Southern way of life." In Mississippi, the state's most powerful farmers, bankers and businessmen were members.

"It was a coterie that could apply frightful pressure on dissenters, whether white or black, in the enclosed, isolated Mississippi society," [Neil] Peirce wrote in 1974. "... By their very presence and rhetoric, the councils created a climate in which racial murder could be tolerated still longer in Mississippi."

White Citizens' Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The White Citizens' Council (WCC)—subsequently known as the Citizens' Councils of America after 1956,[1][2] which is how the group referred to itself,[3]—was an American white supremacist organization formed in 1954. With about 60,000 members,[2] mostly in the South, the group was well known for its opposition to racial integration. Its issues involved the protection of "European-American heritage" from those of other ethnicities.[4]

By the 1970s, as white Southerners began to accept desegregation as a permanent aspect of life, the influence of the WCCs began to wane. The attitude of most white Southerners changed as well. Also, the growing economic and political power of African Americans left few white business owners willing to be openly associated with a racist organization. A few such groups still exist, their names changed to something similar to Conservative Citizens' Council, or member chapters of a kind of successor organization, the Council of Conservative Citizens. In recent years, Republican politicians U.S. Senator Trent Lott and Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, among other conservative leaders, received some negative publicity for addressing one such group.

Whitewashing Civil Rights History was a dumb move on his part.

 

[elvis]

ok, now what did he say, without the Left-wing preamble?

 

[Dr.House]

lol.... Salon.com...

 

[Modbert]

lol.... Salon.com...

Because y'know, there isn't a hundred different links on the internet about this. I was going to choose Politico but I couldn't find a good article about his comments from there.