Defeat From the Jaws of Victory

[JimH52]

So.. the dems got DADT repealed

got the START treaty confirmed

passed the 9/11 health bill

got unemployment insurance extended

all in exchange for giving a few millionaires a tax cut?

i wonder who's agenda mattered more?

but apparently the lame duck wasn't so lame.

oh...and the president's approval rating is higher than chris christie's ... oops

Surprise: Barack Obama’s Approval Rating Is Higher Than That of Chris Christie | VF Daily | Vanity Fair

how did the repubs grab defeat from the jaws of victory?

So Barry is getting accomplished in the last few weeks than W got done in 8 years. Go Figure...

 

[8537]

I doubt it.

It is a truth universally acknowledged that he who brags the most is Overcompensating for a Short Cumming.

you're keeping us awfully busy this holiday season.

 

[rightwinger]

i did. and it wouldn't be my poll of choice. normally i'd rely on the RCP average or my guy nate silver at fivethirtyeight. well, ok, he's not really my guy but i love fivethirtyeight

yes. they did. bless their hearts.

i do think for the party at large... the mitch mcconnell, ihopehefails crowd, tax cuts were all that mattered. i don't think there was anything fair about keeping those cuts in place when we need to pay our bills. you can't spend money you don't have and it was stupid for bush to enact those tax cuts during wartime and it's no less so now.

why do i think obama made the deal? two reasons... first, he wanted to get to the rest of his agenda... and that turned out rather well for him today. and second he wants to be re-elected and his approval ratings went up because everyone loves tax cuts.

Just goes to show the Republicans are a one trick pony. Give them their tax cuts for the wealthy and all their objections to other critical legislation disappears.

Obama made a deal with the devil on this one. He knew his window of opportunity to pass DADT repeal, START and 9-11 responder support would close once the new Congress took hold. Offering the tax cut enabled him to get the rest of his agenda passed

lol

thats pure fiction...the dems finally debated the responder bill...that is what passed that, not obama....start...pray tell how the tax cuts helped with start given some pubs were still against it

dadt...nothing to do with tax cuts, good lord, your view of current events is definitely seen through harsh partisan eyes

Republicans cared about one piece of legislation and one piece only.....Get tax cuts extended for wealthy Americans. They were offered tax cuts for those making less than $1 million a year and turned it down

They filibustered and delayed every other piece of legislation until they got their sacred tax cuts. Once that went through, all their former objections to other legislation went away

 

[rightwinger]

here's what he said:

"I just don't remember it as being that bad," Barbour, who was in high school at the time, tells Ferguson. "I remember Martin Luther King came to town, in '62. He spoke out at the old fairgrounds and it was full of people, black and white."

Barbour, who was a teenager at the time, says he attended the rally because he wanted to hear what King had to say but ended up spending most of the time talking to his friends. "The truth is, we couldn't hear very well. We were sort of out there on the periphery. We just sat on our cars, watching the girls, talking, doing what boys do," Barbour tells Ferguson. "We paid more attention to the girls than to King."

Asked why Yazoo City was more peaceful than other parts of the South, Barbour offers credit to the Citizens Council, a controversial group that has been likened by its critics to the Ku Klux Klan. But Barbour says this critique is unfair and that the group actually cracked down on the KKK.

"In Yazoo City they passed a resolution that said anybody who started a chapter of the Klan would get their ass run out of town," Barbour says. "If you had a job, you'd lose it. If you had a store, they'd see nobody shopped there. We didn't have a problem with the Klan in Yazoo City."
Barbour doesn’t recall civil rights era being ‘that bad’ - Yahoo! News

I am giving Barbour a pass on this. Any way you look at it, the culture of Mississippi at that time was racist. There was no way for any one town to change it. All Barbour is saying was that his town was less openly racist than others. He was a kid, and from his perspective the racial tension was not as bad as in other areas.
He is not claiming that the racism was somehow acceptable, only that it was less militant than other areas

 

[DiveCon]

yeah, string em up, the racist

We all know that isn't the point that was being made. I was just pointing out that his story that he gave was inaccurate. Point being, even he backed off from his original comments because he knew they were wrong. Do you think he was right in what he said? Yes or no?

Hey now...there is nothing wrong with an older good old boy fondly remembering a white supremist group.

still waiting for that proof that the Yazoo City group was actually a racist group

 

[EriktheRed]

Obama made a deal with the devil on this one. He knew his window of opportunity to pass DADT repeal, START and 9-11 responder support would close once the new Congress took hold. Offering the tax cut enabled him to get the rest of his agenda passed

And personally, I'm not so sure it was all worth it.

Reading something like this makes me feel a little better, though:



Righties are mad that so much got done during the lame-duck session. Cue the whining

 

[DiveCon]

Obama made a deal with the devil on this one. He knew his window of opportunity to pass DADT repeal, START and 9-11 responder support would close once the new Congress took hold. Offering the tax cut enabled him to get the rest of his agenda passed

And personally, I'm not so sure it was all worth it.

Reading something like this makes me feel a little better, though:



Righties are mad that so much got done during the lame-duck session. Cue the whining

some of it can be undone in the new congress, so dont get your hopes up

 

[rightwinger]

And personally, I'm not so sure it was all worth it.

Reading something like this makes me feel a little better, though:



Righties are mad that so much got done during the lame-duck session. Cue the whining

some of it can be undone in the new congress, so dont get your hopes up

What can be undone by the minority Republicans?

 

[DiveCon]

Reading something like this makes me feel a little better, though:



Righties are mad that so much got done during the lame-duck session. Cue the whining

some of it can be undone in the new congress, so dont get your hopes up

What can be undone by the minority Republicans?

they wont be minority in the new congress

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I think it's great that the Communist sock puppets continue to try to rule against the will of the people

 

[rightwinger]

some of it can be undone in the new congress, so dont get your hopes up

What can be undone by the minority Republicans?

they wont be minority in the new congress

The Dems control the Senate and the White House
Repubs control the House....making them the minority

What will be undone with Repubs as a minority??

 

[jillian]

some of it can be undone in the new congress, so dont get your hopes up

What can be undone by the minority Republicans?

they wont be minority in the new congress

only in the house... not in the senate. and they won't have the presidency.

 

[DiveCon]

What can be undone by the minority Republicans?

they wont be minority in the new congress

The Dems control the Senate and the White House
Repubs control the House....making them the minority

What will be undone with Repubs as a minority??

that is yet to be seen
but it CAN be undone
the senate isnt as much in the hands of the dems as it used to be

 

[DiveCon]

What can be undone by the minority Republicans?

they wont be minority in the new congress

only in the house... not in the senate. and they won't have the presidency.

doesnt mean things cant be undone
(with the exception of the treaty)

 

[elvis]

they wont be minority in the new congress

only in the house... not in the senate. and they won't have the presidency.

doesnt mean things cant be undone
(with the exception of the treaty)

treaties can be undone.

 

[jillian]

they wont be minority in the new congress

only in the house... not in the senate. and they won't have the presidency.

doesnt mean things cant be undone
(with the exception of the treaty)

actually, it does because they'd need both houses.

and even assuming they got some bill passed, the president could and should veto.

they know they won't have two thirds to override.

so it's all just a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

 

[DiveCon]

only in the house... not in the senate. and they won't have the presidency.

doesnt mean things cant be undone
(with the exception of the treaty)

treaties can be undone.

not by the senate
they can only be done by the executive

 

[DiveCon]

only in the house... not in the senate. and they won't have the presidency.

doesnt mean things cant be undone
(with the exception of the treaty)

actually, it does because they'd need both houses.

and even assuming they got some bill passed, the president could and should veto.

they know they won't have two thirds to override.

so it's all just a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

you saying they wouldnt be able to get any democrats to sign onto it?
thats the thing, it depends on what it is and what would be needed to get bipartisan support

 

[rightwinger]

they wont be minority in the new congress

The Dems control the Senate and the White House
Repubs control the House....making them the minority

What will be undone with Repubs as a minority??

that is yet to be seen
but it CAN be undone
the senate isnt as much in the hands of the dems as it used to be

so its just wishful thinking on your part

 

[DiveCon]

The Dems control the Senate and the White House
Repubs control the House....making them the minority

What will be undone with Repubs as a minority??

that is yet to be seen
but it CAN be undone
the senate isnt as much in the hands of the dems as it used to be

so its just wishful thinking on your part

look, i NEVER said it WOULD BE
i said it CAN BE
why is it you always want to take such a limited vision on things?