Debunking the Lie-The Harris Plan for America

[IM2]

And for thoose wh brught up the Trump-Biden debate.

While I may not be entirely correct, my understanding of debate is that each party presents a factual argument, followed by rebuttals from both sides using evidence-based reasoning. During the debate between Trump and Biden, Biden struggled with recalling facts, while Trump frequently made false statements throughout the event. Now, in my understanding of debating, being able to lie frequently, forcefully, and with confidence is not offering a factual rebuttal. The capacity to deceive with assurance does not inherently reflect high cognitive aptitude.

In grading the debate, PolitiFact cited 15 lies by Trump, plus an additional claim they put in the pants on fire category, while finding 3 for Biden. The New York Times cited 20 false statements and 21 more that were inaccurate, lacking context or evidence for Trump, no false statements for Biden, and 11 that were inaccurate, lacking context or evidence. The Associated Press corrected Trump 11 times as compared to 4 for Biden. CNN cited 30 false statements for Trump and at least 9 for Biden. Each of these evaluations showed that Trump told many more lies, made many more misstatements, and said things that had absolutely no evidence supporting them, yet the debate was framed as a show of Bidens cognitive decline.

David Bauder, Fact checks were prevalent during and after the Biden-Trump debate — but not for real-time viewers, Fact checks were prevalent during and after the Biden-Trump debate — but not for real-time viewers

Trump made more than 30 false claims during CNN’s presidential debate — far more than Biden, https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/fact-checking-the-cnn-presidential-debate/index.html

The 2024 campaign was a lot of people seeing what they wanted and not the truth.

 

[White 6]

No White 6 she didn't. Incompetent from the beginning? What other vice president received the scrutiny she did? You can't see how racism played into this.


Whites voted for a convict with no plan who spewed overt racism. She beat trumps ass in the debate and he ran from a second one. If she was unable to show you her skills there, you weren't even trying to pay attention. Funny how whites could see Bidens problems in the first debate but couldn't see trumps in the second one.

And don't give me that primary garbage. Trump didn't participate in ANY primaries and they had debates he refused to attend. Debates that might have cost him the nomination because he would have been torn to pieces over 1-6. But he never had to answer for that. And why in the **** would Biden have to leave but Trumps old decrepid ass was OK to vote for?

Trump was allowed to run even after violating the 14th Amendment when he started an insurrection and still was able to become president. That is not because of Harris incompetence, it is because of willful white racism. Had whites voted 51 percent for Trump he would have lost; instead, nearly 60 percent of the white voters in America chose to put a convicted felon into the white house. This is a man who could not get an entry-level job in the agencies he presides over. If Harris had the same record of conviction, it would not have mattered if she were the greatest orator in history. It's really time whites stop this shit and face the truth.

I'm tired of people repeating the right-wing bullshit. Harris got 75 million votes, that's the third most in history, so the problems just are not what you guys repeat.

Seemed incompetent to me. Have no idea why Joe chose her, other than to get the black vote. You really seem like the only one she ever impressed. Her biggest job in the role is asking after the President's health, and supporting the administration. Within 2 weeks of becoming vice Pres, she laughed out loud at the trouble Biden was in over his stupid border move. Joe gave her the job of running the border to teach her to not laugh in public when the admin was in trouble over an issue, then never gave her authority to make change one. She was a useless dunsel in the administration from the beginning, not even doing well at inquiring as to the President's health, certainly not his mental health. I cannot think of a single thing she accomplished or was allowed to accomplish while in the role. If it's just simply a black thing, then OK. I have nothing against black people, but claim no understanding of black things, simply for being black things. I simply don't get it. I look for intelligence, leadership ability displayed (sometime settling for training, at least long enough to evaluate, if assigned to me by somebody else), but if I don't see, I moved them out, or made them ask to leave. She was just a cling-on, so I have no real respect, but being VP is as often as useful as a worm bucket of spit, they say, so incompetently clinging on fills the bill, but does nothing for resume or suitability for higher office. The Dems fooled themselves and much of the country while Joe deteriorated until too late in the election cycle to let the primary season find a viable candidate, to run against a former President that had been running for re-election in 2024 for four years. She was never a good candidate, especially after how and when she inherited the candidacy. I suspect he biggest voting block beside the black vote was the "anybody but Trump" vote. Try as they might, they could not make her a good candidate, in such a short time, no matter how much money they blew, trying. It is not like Obama, just because she could get the black vote. Obama, had a lot more on the ball, was a very good speaker, had a charming wife, ran on change from previous administration that started two wars and oversaw the tanking of the economy and drew support other than the black vote. Kamala never demonstrated being sharp, was not and is not a talented speaker, first husband was nothing impressive, and she did not speak of or recognize things that should have been done different. She was a dunsel, a useless, do nothing control on the ship of state. You tout her economic plan, but nobody had faith she had a clue, and "her plan" was not highly touted in the campaign. A loss is a loss, no need to tout what her plan was, now. Move on, dude. You are banging your keys on this one, for nothing.

 

[Eman623]

Okay a show of hands, who would hire Kamala to manage their personal finances?

(crickets)

She'll be mangling, er managing California come the 2026 gubernatorial election.

Sweet Jesus, I live in a stupid state!

 

[Lisa558]

There will be no similar results. The facts show that she articulated the better plan and you morons picked the crook. And after the 4 years of the crying you bitches did after 2020, you really need to STFU and read the facts.

Of course there would be similar results. She was asked what she would have done differently than Biden, and the DEI idiot said she couldn’t think of anything.

 

[Lisa558]

Her qualifications were questioned even though her opponent was an inheritance baby with less public policy and governing experience,

Yeah, but all her governing was bad. Even Democrats in California couldn't stand her after she was elected to the Senate.

Yep. And remember….in 2020, she had to drop out before the first primary because she couldn’t even get 1% of the vote! Americans didn’t want her. And despite that, the arrogant left Obama ignored what Americans wanted, and told Biden he had to pick a female black. So we got stuck with Harris.

 

[Harry Dresden]

It is funny how Harris was portrayed by some in America. I don’t think the people who made up the word salad narrative listened to her. I believe they listened to Trump's description of her and viewed the edited videos during his rallies and accepted that as truth. No matter what excuse has been used, it first became apparent what the issue was with Harris when Republicans went after her laugh. Then, as with Obama, her qualifications were questioned. She became a DEI candidate even though she had a career as DA, was twice elected to be the Attorney General in charge of the second largest Department of Justice in the country, and was elected to the U.S. Senate before she was picked to be Vice President. Her qualifications were questioned even though her opponent was an inheritance baby with less public policy and governing experience, even though he had served as president. Additionally, his presidency encompassed two impeachments and a significant policy shortfall during the COVID-19 pandemic. Despite the United States possessing one of the most advanced healthcare systems globally, it experienced higher COVID-19-related deaths and infections than any other country. Even the Republican VP candidate, J.D. Vance, tried questioning her qualifications, even though his public policy experience consisted of writing a book and a little more than a year in the Senate. Compare these qualifications for yourself, then ask, who was really the most qualified? Then we have slimy references to her past and the signs at the RNC saying Joe and the ho must go. Despite the sexism that happened to Hillary Clinton in 2016, she was not called a ho. The racism in the Trump campaign was apparent right there, but in a country that chooses to deny it has a problem, we see every other excuse made for what happened rather than the obvious.

The claim was that Harris had no plan and that Harris could not connect with the middle and working class. Harris lost by 1.6 percent. She got nearly 75 million votes. That is one of the highest vote totals in the history of American presidential elections. I believe it was the third highest ever. Therefore, she connected with somebody. We continue seeing the narrative of how she didn’t connect with the working class. When somebody makes that statement, I wonder about the “working class” they are talking about. Harris received majorities of the votes from African Americans/Blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, and Asians. Middle- and working-class people exist in each of these populations. These populations also live in swing states. I strongly believe it is time for us to stop denying the reality of these Trump victories. To be blunt, the only working-class Harris didn’t appear to connect with was the white working class.

In talking to people about the Harris campaign, they tell me how she didn’t really say anything. How all she did was giggle and say she came from a middle-class family. I did not see any giggling when she dismantled Trump in their debate. She made Trump cry about how unfair it was that Biden dropped out after telling everybody how Joe Biden needed to be removed. I didn’t see any giggling when she was calling Trump out for more debates, and he chose to run away because he knew that he was up against a stronger candidate. They told me she didn’t present a plan. That she was condescending. All that sounds like excuses made by people who just don’t want to say that they could not vote for a black woman. Why do I say this? Let's focus on Harris's actual statements and the plan she presented—one that America ignored but now wishes it hadn't. It is titled: “A New Way Forward.”

Let's start with the economic plan. If you can't read it, don't comment.

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harris new all about bidens condition and helped cover it up...and then started campaigning like her shit didnt stink...if she was any kind of a leader she would have spoke up but she didnt.....**** her she cant be trusted....like i told you last year....

 

[Harry Dresden]

If you can't take the criticism, IM2, you get out of the thread. Sheesh.

you notice how he never deals with the fact she helped cover up bidens problems?.....im2 told us biden was just fine .....just like she did....

 

[Harry Dresden]

The OP gets owned with facts, looks a fool, so the OP DEFLECTS to Trump which has nothing to do with his own thread. Classic

and if you bring up stuff he doesnt like to talk about,like harris helping cover up bidens condition,the jerk puts you on ignore and claims you are being racial....but yet replies to every racial post thrown at him...im2 cant defend harris....

 

[Harry Dresden]

And that's why I'm presenting the facts.

Harris Economic Plan

You are the effeminate one here. That's why you won't discuss the facts.
You're a *****.

says the guy who has been acting like a little girl ever since nov....

 

[Lisa558]

and if you bring up stuff he doesnt like to talk about,like harris helping cover up bidens condition,the jerk puts you on ignore and claims you are being racial....but yet replies to every racial post thrown at him...im2 cant defend harris....

That’s how Democrats roll. They 1) silence people who present facts that show how wrong they are, and 2) cry racism.

 

[Harry Dresden]

FACT! Kam couldn't even beat a "convicted felon".

and called another hitler on top of that.......

 

[Harry Dresden]

Independent Economic Analyses
Experts Find That Vice President Harris’s New Way Forward Is Better for Americans and the Economy:

Nearly 100 business leaders agree that electing Vice President Harris “is the best way to support the continued strength, security, and reliability of our democracy and economy.”1 Goldman Sachs estimates the biggest boost to the U.S. economy from a Vice President Harris win. They estimate that job growth will be higher and inflation lower than if Donald Trump is elected. A Harris victory would lead to between 10,000 and 30,000 more new jobs per month than if Trump is elected.

Will Be Better on Inflation Than Donald Trump: A survey of nearly 40 top economists by the Financial Times and the University of Chicago found that 70 percent to 3 percent, Harris would be better than Trump on inflation.

Economists at Nomura agree that Trump’s across-the-board tariffs would reduce global growth and increase inflation in the United States by almost 1 percentage point.

Even the conservative-leaning American Action Forum and Tax Foundation found that Trump’s tariffs would raise costs for American families and businesses. The American Action Forum found that Trump’s tariffs would increase costs by $4,000 per year6 and an economist at the Tax Foundation noted that tariffs as high as some of the ones Trump has threatened “will almost certainly increase the risk of a recession.”

Harris Economic Plan pg.6

I understand why you MAGTS are running way and trying to talk about anything but the topic. You lose.

you mean like how you run away from questions you dont like and put those posters on ignore?...******* *****...

 

[Harry Dresden]

There will be no similar results. The facts show that she articulated the better plan and you morons picked the crook. And after the 4 years of the crying you bitches did after 2020, you really need to STFU and read the facts.

yea like you do right?...

 

[Harry Dresden]

This poor guy is still campaigning for Kamala. She lost. It's over.

It's genuinely sad to watch.

he thought she was great AG in California...what does that say?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Her qualifications were questioned even though her opponent was an inheritance baby with less public policy and governing experience,

Yeah, but all her governing was bad. Even Democrats in California couldn't stand her after she was elected to the Senate.

it started long before that....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

She'll be mangling, er managing California come the 2026 gubernatorial election.

Sweet Jesus, I live in a stupid state!

California democrats can't stand her. Three years after she was elected to the Senate, she was running behind 3 old white farts, among primary voters, far left-wingers, in her own state.

No way she wins the dem primary after 4 years of failure as VP and then losing to Trump. Nope. The rich donors won't cough up the dough. She's done.

 

[WelfareQueen]

No White 6 she didn't. Incompetent from the beginning? What other vice president received the scrutiny she did? You can't see how racism played into this.


Whites voted for a convict with no plan who spewed overt racism. She beat trumps ass in the debate and he ran from a second one. If she was unable to show you her skills there, you weren't even trying to pay attention. Funny how whites could see Bidens problems in the first debate but couldn't see trumps in the second one.

And don't give me that primary garbage. Trump didn't participate in ANY primaries and they had debates he refused to attend. Debates that might have cost him the nomination because he would have been torn to pieces over 1-6. But he never had to answer for that. And why in the **** would Biden have to leave but Trumps old decrepid ass was OK to vote for?

Trump was allowed to run even after violating the 14th Amendment when he started an insurrection and still was able to become president. That is not because of Harris incompetence, it is because of willful white racism. Had whites voted 51 percent for Trump he would have lost; instead, nearly 60 percent of the white voters in America chose to put a convicted felon into the white house. This is a man who could not get an entry-level job in the agencies he presides over. If Harris had the same record of conviction, it would not have mattered if she were the greatest orator in history. It's really time whites stop this shit and face the truth.

I'm tired of people repeating the right-wing bullshit. Harris got 75 million votes, that's the third most in history, so the problems just are not what you guys repeat.

 

[Eman623]

California democrats can't stand her. Three years after she was elected to the Senate, she was running behind 3 old white farts, among primary voters, far left-wingers, in her own state.

No way she wins the dem primary after 4 years of failure as VP and then losing to Trump. Nope. The rich donors won't cough up the dough. She's done.

She will have no serious competition in the primary. The Democrats who run this one-party mobbed up state will make sure of that.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No White 6 she didn't. Incompetent from the beginning? What other vice president received the scrutiny she did? You can't see how racism played into this.


Whites voted for a convict with no plan who spewed overt racism. She beat trumps ass in the debate and he ran from a second one. If she was unable to show you her skills there, you weren't even trying to pay attention. Funny how whites could see Bidens problems in the first debate but couldn't see trumps in the second one.

And don't give me that primary garbage. Trump didn't participate in ANY primaries and they had debates he refused to attend. Debates that might have cost him the nomination because he would have been torn to pieces over 1-6. But he never had to answer for that. And why in the **** would Biden have to leave but Trumps old decrepid ass was OK to vote for?

Trump was allowed to run even after violating the 14th Amendment when he started an insurrection and still was able to become president. That is not because of Harris incompetence, it is because of willful white racism. Had whites voted 51 percent for Trump he would have lost; instead, nearly 60 percent of the white voters in America chose to put a convicted felon into the white house. This is a man who could not get an entry-level job in the agencies he presides over. If Harris had the same record of conviction, it would not have mattered if she were the greatest orator in history. It's really time whites stop this shit and face the truth.

I'm tired of people repeating the right-wing bullshit. Harris got 75 million votes, that's the third most in history, so the problems just are not what you guys repeat.

Harris being a failure had nothing to do with racism. Her "success" such as it was had everything to do with racism. She was handed things through either sexual favors or racism that no other California politician was granted. I lived in California throughout her state and local political career and witnessed it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Harris being a failure had nothing to do with racism. Her "success" such as it was had everything to do with racism. She was handed things through either sexual favors or racism that no other California politician was granted. I lived in California throughout her state and local political career and witnessed it.

so did i....she was a pretty half-assed AG.....most people outside the state including im2 never heard of her until she became a senator...they only know what they were told...