Death penalty discussion

[The Sage of Main Street]

I have no problem with the DP (or life w/o parole, as long as the perps work for their own keep). DP appeals should be reduced to limit the costs, then the sentence should be swift. Life w/o parolees could actually be beneficial for the state if all were made to work (there is much to be done).

Criminal races contributed through slavery, so there's that precedent for paying back their debt to society. Punishment should cost us nothing. Justice to the victims, which include all of us, is justice denied.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, I don't believe he did.

Look it up.

 

[pknopp]

Look it up.

I can't look up what doesn't exist.

 

[Woodznutz]

Criminals, Not Just Murderers, Are Enemies of the Human Race

The Jurinalists want to save lives that take lives. They should have no more crdibility than their colleagues at The National Enquirer. We should read even the most respected fishwraps, including the ones that pretend to be on our side, just to laugh at them. You can tell by their copycat grammar that they're all in the same toxic clique.

Evil gravitates to the highest places. The press is the "fourth estate"; pretty powerful.

 

[Rawley]

we are discussing the death penalty. Yes they can be related. My statement is correct as applied to actual topic.

Most, not all, prolifers see it as the same issue. Folks like Hillary are consistent - kill the baby and kill the killer.

 

[Woodznutz]

I can't look up what doesn't exist.

Let me help you.

Matthew 15

3 But he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 ;But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

 

[Blaster]

Pro Life for innocents in the womb and Pro Death for felons.

 

[petro]

If it's a case where the person is caught with irrefutable evidence, I have no problem with the death penalty.

 

[pknopp]

Most, not all, prolifers see it as the same issue. Folks like Hillary are consistent - kill the baby and kill the killer.

I and the OP discussed the media. Sadly many pro-lifers do not see it the same.

 

[Foxfyre]

This is a bit different than Democrats readers suppose.
I want to talk about the press and how they handle the death penalty.
So if you join in, please keep it to the press and them discussing the penalty.

I have tracked them from maybe once Karla Faye Tucker was still living. When she got executed, I took notice of what the Press had to say.
Days ago a convict was executed in Florida. This was a serious admitted serial killer. Since reports are easy to find now, you all need to read them to really get what I am talking about.

Once you check him out, also look up pending executions to see others in line. That site also shows past executions. When you see a name, check him out. You will learn fast the press has extreme sympathy for the killers.
It will interest me what you think about the press reports.

I believe since the press is left wing, they don't hide their agenda.

Really my beginning of Karla Tucker.
In her case, the media kept focusing on her religious conversion in prison.

Karla Faye Tucker was an American woman sentenced to death for killing two people with a pickaxe during a burglary. She was the first woman to be executed in the United States since Velma Barfield in 1984 in North Carolina, and the first in Texas since Chipita Rodriguez in 1863. Wikipedia
Born: November 18, 1959, Houston, TX
Died: February 3, 1998 (age 38 years), Huntsville Unit, Huntsville, TX

All consequences for crime should be just that, i.e. consequences. Not punishment. Not revenge. But imposing a consequence of law for behavior society deems unacceptable.

The consequences for most crime should be a fine, community service and/or making restitution to those harmed. The consequences for some serious crimes should be jail and/or prison. The consequences for some truly terrible crimes should be loss of freedom for life. And the consequence for some crimes so unconscionably vicious, terrible, cruel, savage, threat to all of society that in my opinion should be death to the perpetrator.

 

[Rawley]

I and the OP discussed the media. Sadly many pro-lifers do not see it the same.

Some do make the distinction between and innocent life and someone that has consciously chosen evil. Personally, I prefer to send them to a prison out in the desert with no opportunity for parole.

 

[pknopp]

Let me help you.

Matthew 15

3 But he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

5 ;But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

Perhaps you need to understand what death Jesus was talking about here.

 

[Robert W]

All consequences for crime should be just that, i.e. consequences. Not punishment. Not revenge. But imposing a consequence of law for behavior society deems unacceptable.

The consequences for most crime should be a fine, community service and/or making restitution to those harmed. The consequences for some crimes justify jail and/or prison. The consequences for some crimes justify loss of freedom for life. And the consequence for some crimes so unconscionably viscious, terrible, cruel, savage, threat to all of society that in my opinion should be death to the perpetrator.

Thank you very much. So since my thinking is about the press, what is your opinion of facts please about the press?

 

[Robert W]

Criminal races contributed through slavery, so there's that precedent for paying back their debt to society. Punishment should cost us nothing. Justice to the victims, which include all of us, is justice denied.

The press ... what about the press?

 

[Robert W]

I'm divided about the death penalty. Although lately I'm beginning to be more for than against with all the horrible killings on the rise now.

And about the press?

 

[Woodznutz]

Perhaps you need to understand what death Jesus was talking about here.

He was talking about stoning.

 

[Foxfyre]

Thank you very much. So since my thinking is about the press, what is your opinion of facts please about the press?

We for the most part do not have a free and open press. We mostly have a propaganda machine directed and controlled by the Democrat party that also control most of entertainment, education, scientific institutions, big business, and many religious organizations--all the sources most people get their impressions/information from. They controlled the message we get from government before Trump and the GOP took over this year.

So the media message is anti-death penalty since the 'woke Democrats' do not approve of that at this time even as they approve cashless bail and no penalties so long as the crime does not exceed a specific level. And they mostly ignore any violent/lethal crime unless it is committed by a white conservative or they try to make it look like the fault of white conservatives/MAGAs.

It's insane.

 

[pknopp]

He was talking about stoning.

No he wasn't.

 

[Robert W]

I'm divided about the death penalty. Although lately I'm beginning to be more for than against with all the horrible killings on the rise now.

And your view about the press handling of the executions?

 

[Robert W]

We for the most part do not have a free and open press. We mostly have a propaganda machine directed and controlled by the Democrat party that also control most of entertainment, education, scientific institutions, big business, and many religious organizations--all the sources most people get their impressions/information from. They controlled the message we get from government before Trump and the GOP took over this year.

So the media message is anti-death penalty since the 'woke Democrats' do not approve of that at this time even as they approve cashless bail and no penalties so long as the crime does not exceed a specific level. And they mostly ignore any violent/lethal crime unless it is committed by a white conservative or they try to make it look like the fault of white conservatives/MAGAs.

It's insane.

That terrific post by Foxfyre covers the bases. She is a prime example of a very intelligent poster focused on facts.