Death Panels are REAL! Believe it!

[rdean]

PacifiCare denied 40 percent of all California claims in the first six months of 2009. Cigna rejected one-third of all claims for the first half of 2009.
California Blue Cross rejected 28 percent of claims in the first half of 2009.

How come only Republicans understand the importance of profits? You have to break a few eggs.

California Insurers Deny 21% Of Claims, California Affordable Health Insurance

 

[Political Junky]

PacifiCare denied 40 percent of all California claims in the first six months of 2009. Cigna rejected one-third of all claims for the first half of 2009.
California Blue Cross rejected 28 percent of claims in the first half of 2009.

How come only Republicans understand the importance of profits? You have to break a few eggs.

California Insurers Deny 21% Of Claims, California Affordable Health Insurance

Yes, the death panels are in private hands.

 

[Oddball]

yawn

 

[veritas]

From link:

"With all the dishonest claims made by some politicians about alleged 'death panels' in proposed national legislation, the reality for patients today is a daily, cold-hearted rejection of desperately needed medical care by the nation's biggest and wealthiest insurance companies simply because they don't want to pay for it," said Deborah Burger, RN, CNA/NNOC co-president.

For the first half of 2009, as the national debate over healthcare reform was escalating, the rejection rates are even more striking.

PacifiCare denied 40 percent of all California claims in the first six months of 2009. Cigna, which gained notoriety two years ago for denying a liver transplant to 17-year-old Nataline Sarkisyan of Northridge, Calif. and then reversing itself, tragically too late to save her life, was still rejecting one-third of all claims for the first half of 2009.

"Every claim that is denied represents a real patient enduring pain and suffering. Every denial has real, sometimes fatal consequences," said Burger.

PacifiCare, for example, denied a special procedure for treatment of bone cancer for Nick Colombo, a 17-year-old teen from Placentia, Calif. Again, after protests organized by Nick's family and friends, CNA/NNOC, and netroots activists, PacifiCare reversed its decision. But like Nataline Sarkisyan, the delay resulted in critical time lost, and Nick ultimately died. "This was his last effort and the procedure had worked before with people in Nick's situation," said his older brother Ricky.

California Blue Cross rejected 28 percent of claims in the first half of 2009. In 2008, six days before RN Kim Kutcher of Dana Point, Calif., was scheduled to have special back surgery, Blue Cross denied authorization for the procedure as "investigational" even though the lumbar artificial disc she was to receive had FDA approval.

At the time of denial, which she calls "insurance hell," Kutcher notes she had "already gone through pre-op testing, donated a unit of blood, had appointments with four physicians." Kutcher paid $60,000 out of pocket for the operation and is still fighting Blue Cross.

 

[Chris]

PacifiCare denied 40 percent of all California claims in the first six months of 2009. Cigna rejected one-third of all claims for the first half of 2009.
California Blue Cross rejected 28 percent of claims in the first half of 2009.

How come only Republicans understand the importance of profits? You have to break a few eggs.

California Insurers Deny 21% Of Claims, California Affordable Health Insurance

 

[rdean]

yawn

You seem "tired".

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rdean, what Dude is doing is this: he almost has a thought, it overloads his brain, and he sighs rather than thinks. He is mentally farting is all.

 

[AVG-JOE]

PacifiCare denied 40 percent of all California claims in the first six months of 2009. Cigna rejected one-third of all claims for the first half of 2009.
California Blue Cross rejected 28 percent of claims in the first half of 2009.

How come only Republicans understand the importance of profits? You have to break a few eggs.

California Insurers Deny 21% Of Claims, California Affordable Health Insurance

We've had 'Death Panels' for as long as we've had million dollar insurance executives and their expensive lap-dog lobbyists.

Don't kid yourself.

-Joe

 

[CaféAuLait]

PacifiCare denied 40 percent of all California claims in the first six months of 2009. Cigna rejected one-third of all claims for the first half of 2009.
California Blue Cross rejected 28 percent of claims in the first half of 2009.

How come only Republicans understand the importance of profits? You have to break a few eggs.

California Insurers Deny 21% Of Claims, California Affordable Health Insurance

If you equate an insurance company who denies claims as a "death panel", what say you about Medicare denying more claims than private insurance?


Medicare more likely to deny claims than commerical health insurers

Medicare denies more claims than commercial insurers.

“Medicare was the most likely to deny any part of a claim, with a 6.9 percent rate. Aetna was a close second at 6.8 percent while the others ranged from 2.7 percent to 4.6 percent.

Healthcare Economist · Medicare more likely to deny claims than commerical health insurers

 

[DiveCon]

PacifiCare denied 40 percent of all California claims in the first six months of 2009. Cigna rejected one-third of all claims for the first half of 2009.
California Blue Cross rejected 28 percent of claims in the first half of 2009.

How come only Republicans understand the importance of profits? You have to break a few eggs.

California Insurers Deny 21% Of Claims, California Affordable Health Insurance

If you equate an insurance company who denies claims as a "death panel", what say you about Medicare denying more claims than private insurance?


Medicare more likely to deny claims than commerical health insurers

Medicare denies more claims than commercial insurers.

“Medicare was the most likely to deny any part of a claim, with a 6.9 percent rate. Aetna was a close second at 6.8 percent while the others ranged from 2.7 percent to 4.6 percent.

Healthcare Economist · Medicare more likely to deny claims than commerical health insurers

oops

 

[CaféAuLait]

Here is another:


MassHealth has higher claim denial rate than commercial insurers

The state government Medicaid plan known as MassHealth, which covers low-income patients who can’t afford insurance, was the slowest payer of health claims to Massachusetts doctors last year, averaging 56 days, and denied the highest share of claims, 23.8 percent, according to rankings set to be released today. …"

MassHealth has higher claim denial rate than commercial insurers | Independence Institute: Patient Power

 

[editec]

We have always rationed heath care. Sometimes private insurance companies do it, sometime the Federal HC providers do it.

Not rationing HC would be a stupid policy.

What part of that harsh but necessary reality don't you understand?

 

[rdean]

PacifiCare denied 40 percent of all California claims in the first six months of 2009. Cigna rejected one-third of all claims for the first half of 2009.
California Blue Cross rejected 28 percent of claims in the first half of 2009.

How come only Republicans understand the importance of profits? You have to break a few eggs.

California Insurers Deny 21% Of Claims, California Affordable Health Insurance

If you equate an insurance company who denies claims as a "death panel", what say you about Medicare denying more claims than private insurance?


Medicare more likely to deny claims than commerical health insurers

Medicare denies more claims than commercial insurers.

“Medicare was the most likely to deny any part of a claim, with a 6.9 percent rate. Aetna was a close second at 6.8 percent while the others ranged from 2.7 percent to 4.6 percent.

Healthcare Economist · Medicare more likely to deny claims than commerical health insurers

oops

On the surface, it sounds like it makes sense, then you start to examine the facts, facts which ALWAYS lean liberal.

Currently, the clients of private insurance companies are made up of mostly healthy people who are working AND HAVE BEEN PAYING THE INSURANCE COMPANY FOR YEARS AND EXPECT A RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT.

State run health care or Medicare are made up of older people or people who are unable to work due to disease and some kind of exiting condition. It would make sense to deny a liver transplant to someone who has terminal cancer and is going to die in two months.

Isn't that what happened to Obama's grandmother? She had terminal cancer and received a hip replacement and the died a couple of months later? Just the shock of such a serious surgery could possibly have hastened her end.

So, you can point to statistics to bolster your argument, but once again, after examining the facts, Republican logic falls short. Why doesn't that surprise me?

Statistics is defined as following:

"The science that looks into the study of generic phenomena, normally complex and framed in a variable universe by means of the employment of reduction models of information and validation analysis of the results in representative terms."

The Definition of Statistics

Remember, Republicans don't like science. They believe it is a religion that competes with their own.

oops

 

[Smartt33]

PacifiCare denied 40 percent of all California claims in the first six months of 2009. Cigna rejected one-third of all claims for the first half of 2009.
California Blue Cross rejected 28 percent of claims in the first half of 2009.

How come only Republicans understand the importance of profits? You have to break a few eggs.

California Insurers Deny 21% Of Claims, California Affordable Health Insurance

It might be just as good to cancel the insurance, save the money, and take a chance that when we get sick we will have enough to pay for it. If not, Oh well, Go get the care and pay as you can.

 

[manu1959]

are some of you claiming that obama care:

will not reject any claims.....

will not deny coverage to anyone....

 

[paperview]

PacifiCare denied 40 percent of all California claims in the first six months of 2009. Cigna rejected one-third of all claims for the first half of 2009.
California Blue Cross rejected 28 percent of claims in the first half of 2009.

How come only Republicans understand the importance of profits? You have to break a few eggs.

California Insurers Deny 21% Of Claims, California Affordable Health Insurance

It might be just as good to cancel the insurance, save the money, and take a chance that when we get sick we will have enough to pay for it. If not, Oh well, Go get the care and pay as you can.

All it takes is one very bad fall, or one nasty clogged artery to fuck up that plan.

 

[rdean]

are some of you claiming that obama care:

will not reject any claims.....

will not deny coverage to anyone....

I've never heard that claim.