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Death chambers of the USA
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Death chambers of the USA
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That's where human beings are execution-homicided by state govts and the federal govt...premeditated, and in cold blood.
One day the good People of America will have them demolished.
You clearly do not know the difference between homicide and capital punishment.
Homo - Man
Cide (caedere) - kill (suicide, pesticide, fratricide, etc)
Trayvon Martin's and executions are homicides. Homicide is obviously not always murder by law. No one is charged with homicide, rather they are charged with murder.
Simply, execution of the death penalty is homicide.
Cide (caedere) - kill (suicide, pesticide, fratricide, etc)
Trayvon Martin's and executions are homicides. Homicide is obviously not always murder by law. No one is charged with homicide, rather they are charged with murder.
Simply, execution of the death penalty is homicide.
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Name: Dennis McGuire
County: Preble County
Date of Birth: 2/10/1960
Executed: 01/16/14
On January 16, 2014, Dennis McGuire was executed for the 1989 aggravated murder of Joy Stewart.
Ohio Executions
County: Preble County
Date of Birth: 2/10/1960
Executed: 01/16/14
On January 16, 2014, Dennis McGuire was executed for the 1989 aggravated murder of Joy Stewart.
Ohio Executions
bianco
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Death chambers of the USA - YouTube
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That's where human beings are execution-homicided by state govts and the federal govt...premeditated, and in cold blood.
One day the good People of America will have them demolished.
You clearly do not know the difference between homicide and capital punishment.
Capital punishment is homicide.
They even put 'homicide' on the death certificates.
Premeditated killing.
'Capital punishment'...such a sanitised term for what the state is doing.
jon_berzerk
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jon_berzerk
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Death chambers of the USA - YouTube
Death chambers of the USA
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That's where human beings are execution-homicided by state govts and the federal govt...premeditated, and in cold blood.
One day the good People of America will have them demolished.
You clearly do not know the difference between homicide and capital punishment.
Capital punishment is homicide.
They even put 'homicide' on the death certificates.
Premeditated killing.
'Capital punishment'...such a sanitised term for what the state is doing.
it is a homicide
but some states put
lethal injection or some other similar wording
jon_berzerk
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timothy mcveigh cert says
cause lethal injection
Timothy McVeigh Death Certificate | The Smoking Gun
cause lethal injection
Timothy McVeigh Death Certificate | The Smoking Gun
bianco
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Name: Dennis McGuire
County: Preble County
Date of Birth: 2/10/1960
Executed: 01/16/14
On January 16, 2014, Dennis McGuire was executed for the 1989 aggravated murder of Joy Stewart.
Ohio Executions
All it was was more killing.
'Executed'...another sanitised term for what's going on.
The state is not setting a very good example.
Oh well, one day the state might run out of executioners.
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Ohio killer executed with new lethal drug combo
LUCASVILLE, Ohio (AP) A condemned Ohio inmate appeared to gasp several times and took more than 15 minutes to die Thursday as he was executed with a combination of drugs never before tried in the U.S.
Yahoo!
He took 15 minutes to die, and some people have a problem with it.
I think the term is "boo fucking hoo"
bianco
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You clearly do not know the difference between homicide and capital punishment.
Capital punishment is homicide.
They even put 'homicide' on the death certificates.
Premeditated killing.
'Capital punishment'...such a sanitised term for what the state is doing.
it is a homicide
but some states put
lethal injection or some other similar wording
They do.
Homicide it most certainly is though, as you've stated.
Premeditated, calculated homicide.
bianco
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The Political Environment: Death Certificates For The Executed Read "Homicide"
Death Certificates For The Executed Read "Homicide"
Just so you know, capital punishment is a nice way of saying "killing," plain and simple, and I don't care if the executed person was Troy Davis in Georgia or Lawrence Brewer, the white supremacist in the Texas dragging death of James Byrd, Jr.
State killing is state killing. Wrong is wrong.
It's brutal, ugly, solves nothing, and deters no one.
And no one anywhere is any safer now than they were yesterday.
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Exactly.
I had a bit more to say about this a few years ago, after having witnessed an execution in Texas - - George W. Bush's 1st, in 1995 - - and long before Rick Perry started to run up his bigger Texas execution toll, now numbering 244.
Sure, the Old Testament talks about an eye for an eye, but it also proscribes death for drunkenness, gluttony, premarital sex, proselytizing Israelites to convert and gathering wood on the Sabbath.
So unless you want to fill up the world's largest death row with various weekend woodcutters, young lovers and the entire Jews for Jesus movement, let's focus on one real question:

Will putting some murderers to death -- and it will only be some because good lawyering will always save wealthier defendants (three-word reminder: Orenthal James Simpson) -- deter murderers from killing?
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And of course the answer is a resounding "NO"!
Death Certificates For The Executed Read "Homicide"
Just so you know, capital punishment is a nice way of saying "killing," plain and simple, and I don't care if the executed person was Troy Davis in Georgia or Lawrence Brewer, the white supremacist in the Texas dragging death of James Byrd, Jr.
State killing is state killing. Wrong is wrong.
It's brutal, ugly, solves nothing, and deters no one.
And no one anywhere is any safer now than they were yesterday.
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Exactly.
I had a bit more to say about this a few years ago, after having witnessed an execution in Texas - - George W. Bush's 1st, in 1995 - - and long before Rick Perry started to run up his bigger Texas execution toll, now numbering 244.
Sure, the Old Testament talks about an eye for an eye, but it also proscribes death for drunkenness, gluttony, premarital sex, proselytizing Israelites to convert and gathering wood on the Sabbath.
So unless you want to fill up the world's largest death row with various weekend woodcutters, young lovers and the entire Jews for Jesus movement, let's focus on one real question:

Will putting some murderers to death -- and it will only be some because good lawyering will always save wealthier defendants (three-word reminder: Orenthal James Simpson) -- deter murderers from killing?
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And of course the answer is a resounding "NO"!
0. First about executions being homicide, yes, on many state coroner reports I believe they do list "homicide" as the cause of death.
A.
A. The abolitionists have had success making legal arguments based on race so they keep going that route. I believe capital punishment will be reduced by the economic necessity alone. Just to set up a prosecution to include the death penalty adds millions of dollars in cost to each case due to the technical and legal requirements not to mention appeals.
Especially with the protests against paying for health care with insurance mandates,
reforming the criminal justice system can cut state budgets and shift resources to pay for public health instead of wasting billions on the aftermath of capital crime and punishment.
So the financial pressures alone to reform the state budgets, clearly we cannot afford costly punishment for criminals when we could be paying for health care and education for law abiding citizens.
B.
Dear Jughead: 0. first you are assuming you have caught the right person. if you kill that person that is the only person you deter from killing again. how many more murders are committed by people trying to cover up crimes, where the death penalty is not on their minds so it is not a deterrent. they only care about not getting caught by authorities at the time they are committing their crimes. many of them want to die and don't care either way
1. killing a murder after the fact does nothing to prevent the CAUSE of why the situation escalated to murder. if the person was criminally ill, killing them does not cure that or prevent the illness in someone else, anymore than killing lepers cures leprosy.
I happen to have friends who have cured criminal addictions in people using deep spiritual therapy and healing prayer for the generational causes of this sickness passed down. Similar to how alcoholic or domestic abuse tendencies can be passed down from one generation to the next; the process of recovery can heal and cure these people instead of waiting for them to repeat the same cycles. this can be prevented if diagnosed early on, and treated over time. It is cheaper to incarcerate these people in safe detention centers than to support the bureaucratic legal complications around capital punishment.
by rehabilitation, these people can work meaningful jobs and support their own costs while paying restitution for their crimes. personally for people who have killed or trafficked multiple victims, i would set up an exchange program where they can work the rest of their lives in place of sweatshop labor by women and children, and let them go to school and become productive citizens in their place.
2. nor does the process necessarily bring closure. as many families suffer because of the adversarial justice system, and the complicated process and appeals since this is an irrevocable punishment. the toll on families and society is rarely resolved by the act of the execution itself.
If you read up on stories of people who have healed, most of them have done so by forgiveness. if this forgiveness was established in advance, that will stop killing which is caused by unforgiven conflict that escalates until violence and death results.
So the key to killing off crime is forgiveness. the unforgiveness is the root of the addiction, anger and abuse that perpetuates the cycles of violence, poverty and incarceration and addictions in general.
3. by diagnosing and treating people of criminal illness, more resources can focus on public health and EFFECTIVE medical treatment, cut the costs of crime and punishment, and shift more of these health resources to serve the entire public not just the prison population. it makes no sense to charge law abiding taxpayers to pay for health care for those who commit crimes while they pay nothing and cannot work; and then charge additional taxes or insurance for citizens to pay for their own health care that isn't covered by the state.
this should be reversed. require citizens to sign agreements to be financially responsible for the medical and state costs of premeditated crimes they are convicted of (such as charging $5 million for murder, $1 million for each minute of an attack in a criminal assault, robbery or rape, and loss of citizenship for armed robbery/assault/rape or other premeditated abuse of a firearm to commit a crime in exchange for working in a labor camp to pay back restitution while an immigrant worker on the waiting list receives a workers visa or residency for the same length as the sentence until the restitution is paid)
and use the money to pay to develop medical services and teaching hospitals where doctors nurses aides and counselors/therapists can receive their education and training in exchange for public service in clinics and HMO's so all people can access cost effective health care, and the cost of crime and disease is reduced by treating the root causes.
that would be better than wasting billions on capital punishment after the fact, instead of focusing on correcting and preventing causes of crime from happening in the first place.
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Death chambers of the USA - YouTube
Death chambers of the USA
#####
That's where human beings are execution-homicided by state govts and the federal govt...premeditated, and in cold blood.
One day the good People of America will have them demolished.
A. The abolitionists have had success making legal arguments based on race so they keep going that route. I believe capital punishment will be reduced by the economic necessity alone. Just to set up a prosecution to include the death penalty adds millions of dollars in cost to each case due to the technical and legal requirements not to mention appeals.
Especially with the protests against paying for health care with insurance mandates,
reforming the criminal justice system can cut state budgets and shift resources to pay for public health instead of wasting billions on the aftermath of capital crime and punishment.
So the financial pressures alone to reform the state budgets, clearly we cannot afford costly punishment for criminals when we could be paying for health care and education for law abiding citizens.
B.
Jughead said:Capital Punishment is a necessary tool of the justice system. For cases involving serial killers, I could see no other form of punishment. It also helps ease the pain for the victims family members as it provides a sense of closure.
Dear Jughead: 0. first you are assuming you have caught the right person. if you kill that person that is the only person you deter from killing again. how many more murders are committed by people trying to cover up crimes, where the death penalty is not on their minds so it is not a deterrent. they only care about not getting caught by authorities at the time they are committing their crimes. many of them want to die and don't care either way
1. killing a murder after the fact does nothing to prevent the CAUSE of why the situation escalated to murder. if the person was criminally ill, killing them does not cure that or prevent the illness in someone else, anymore than killing lepers cures leprosy.
I happen to have friends who have cured criminal addictions in people using deep spiritual therapy and healing prayer for the generational causes of this sickness passed down. Similar to how alcoholic or domestic abuse tendencies can be passed down from one generation to the next; the process of recovery can heal and cure these people instead of waiting for them to repeat the same cycles. this can be prevented if diagnosed early on, and treated over time. It is cheaper to incarcerate these people in safe detention centers than to support the bureaucratic legal complications around capital punishment.
by rehabilitation, these people can work meaningful jobs and support their own costs while paying restitution for their crimes. personally for people who have killed or trafficked multiple victims, i would set up an exchange program where they can work the rest of their lives in place of sweatshop labor by women and children, and let them go to school and become productive citizens in their place.
2. nor does the process necessarily bring closure. as many families suffer because of the adversarial justice system, and the complicated process and appeals since this is an irrevocable punishment. the toll on families and society is rarely resolved by the act of the execution itself.
If you read up on stories of people who have healed, most of them have done so by forgiveness. if this forgiveness was established in advance, that will stop killing which is caused by unforgiven conflict that escalates until violence and death results.
So the key to killing off crime is forgiveness. the unforgiveness is the root of the addiction, anger and abuse that perpetuates the cycles of violence, poverty and incarceration and addictions in general.
3. by diagnosing and treating people of criminal illness, more resources can focus on public health and EFFECTIVE medical treatment, cut the costs of crime and punishment, and shift more of these health resources to serve the entire public not just the prison population. it makes no sense to charge law abiding taxpayers to pay for health care for those who commit crimes while they pay nothing and cannot work; and then charge additional taxes or insurance for citizens to pay for their own health care that isn't covered by the state.
this should be reversed. require citizens to sign agreements to be financially responsible for the medical and state costs of premeditated crimes they are convicted of (such as charging $5 million for murder, $1 million for each minute of an attack in a criminal assault, robbery or rape, and loss of citizenship for armed robbery/assault/rape or other premeditated abuse of a firearm to commit a crime in exchange for working in a labor camp to pay back restitution while an immigrant worker on the waiting list receives a workers visa or residency for the same length as the sentence until the restitution is paid)
and use the money to pay to develop medical services and teaching hospitals where doctors nurses aides and counselors/therapists can receive their education and training in exchange for public service in clinics and HMO's so all people can access cost effective health care, and the cost of crime and disease is reduced by treating the root causes.
that would be better than wasting billions on capital punishment after the fact, instead of focusing on correcting and preventing causes of crime from happening in the first place.
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I'm all for public hangings.
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A. State killing is state killing. Wrong is wrong.
It's brutal, ugly, solves nothing, and deters no one.
And no one anywhere is any safer now than they were yesterday. [/i]
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Exactly.
I had a bit more to say about this a few years ago, after having witnessed an execution in Texas - - George W. Bush's 1st, in 1995 - - and long before Rick Perry started to run up his bigger Texas execution toll, now numbering 244.
B. Sure, the Old Testament talks about an eye for an eye, but it also proscribes death for drunkenness, gluttony, premarital sex, proselytizing Israelites to convert and gathering wood on the Sabbath.
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A. if State killing is wrong
I believe in respect for views for and against, and not banning either one.
I personally believe the death penalty violates "separation of church and state"
for those who believe the govt should not make religious judgments or decisions.
However, as many people believe the state does have authority from God.
What I can argue is that by religious freedom, these views should be equal and separate, where people have equal right to fund the policy of their beliefs. And set up private prisons the way Catholics have private schools with different teachings than public schools.
if the Catholics oppose the death penalty, why not set up private prisons along the border
and house the pedophile priests and other dangerous offenders to receive rehab and work for restitution for their victims and society.
B. re: eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth
this was originally to cap the punishment and limit it to one for one
at that time, people might kill off family members as punishment against one person
the point was to make it equitable, not collective punishment
with the New Testament, that is where Restorative Justice comes in
instead of retributive justice, living and dying by the sword and hanging
each other by the letter of the law,
the point is to seek correction and restitution in the spirit of forgiveness to restore
justice and peace and to heal relations, not kill them off
if you look up all the programs on Restorative Justice you will see these are much more effective in the healing, correction and prevention process to break the cycle of crime
we have a choice
we can live by the old ways, as in the Old Testament, where living by the letter of the law and judging and punishing others gets corrupted for political power and control, and leads to death war and destruction of humanity
or we can live by the new ways, by the spirit of the laws, by love of truth and justice
which rights the wrongs while restoring humanity, healing relations, and bringing peace
I'm all for public hangings.
I'm for restitution so that people pay for the costs and consequences of their crimes, in proportion. So if someone kills 5 people there is more to pay back than if you kill 1. You can only execute someone 1 time and it doesn't pay back any of the costs of the losses to the families or society, as a lifetime of labor could do. If one inmate on death row worked for 10-20 years, how many women and children could quit their sweatshop jobs and go to school?
The death penalty absolutely ensures that they will never kill again. It is also justice for murders of special depravity.
Death chambers of the USA - YouTube
Death chambers of the USA
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That's where human beings are execution-homicided by state govts and the federal govt...premeditated, and in cold blood.
One day the good People of America will have them demolished.
I don't understand the point of the video. Are these death chambers supposed to have a wet bar and pole dancing?
I certainly agree that the death penalty doesn't subvert violence (except for the killer that has the lethal injection of course) but that's only because the death penalty is rare and often takes thirty years or more to execute.
For the death penalty to act as a deterrent we need to change the law where repeals are limited and more crimes are punishable by death.
I would personally expand the death penalty to rapists and child molesters.
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'Capital punishment'...such a sanitised [sic] term for what the state is doing.
It's not "sanitized [sic]" it's accurate and just.
Pretty mild. Condemned prisoners get at least ten years of appeals during which time they enjoy a clean environment and are well fed. When the time comes they are offered religious counseling and a sedative and endure a painless death. Why not go to Sharia law dominated countries and campaign against execution by stoning?
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