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I don't see gravity creating space and time per se. I see gravity as a consequence of space and time which is a consequence of the presence of energy/matter. So the presence of energy/matter is what creates space and time. Like I said before... no matter/energy, no gravity, no space and time.Gravity. The presence of energy creates space and time because of gravity.
Gravity is a form of energy. How is gravity able to create space and time out of a position of nowhere and nowhen? Where and when is this position or whatelse exists instead of this?
What else exists instead or outside or before this?
Nothing - specially existed no "before" before time started.
Existence, God. Or if you prefer a less philosophical answer... probably radiation.
It existed no time, no space, no energy and no natural laws - but radiation (which is a form of energy) ?
Whatever it is, it is not energy or matter as we know it. It is beyond energy and matter. Consciousness without form.
God is consciousness without form? What do you say, god? Are you consciousness without form? ... What means "If you like me to be without hands!". No - I don't laugh now. ... But okay - a little smile: For a probably existing and/or not existing entity I have to agree that this was not one of your very worst jokes, father. ...
To say nothing existed before our time or there was no before because our time did not exist is an idiotic argument. ...
Idiotic or not - that's the only thing we are able to say about this not existing time. If it smells like nothing - looks like nothing - feels like nothing - and so on: Why not to call it "nothing", if this is the only thing we are able to say and to think about in a realistic perspective?
Because it is inaccurate.
Sure it is 'inacurate' = it fits not with our experienes - not with any of all possible experiences. We don't know anything about this "time", which is no time, in a "space", where is no spacee, with an energy, which was not energy. We are not able to say anything about what we know, because we know nothing about, so the only thing what we are able to say about in a plausible way of natrual science is nothing - what we don't do, because we are curios. So we ask what this is, what we are not able to ask.
Relatively speaking there were other events which preceded our space time.
Nothing becomes true because you or anyone else thinks something is true.
To say they have no meaning because they occurred before our space time is inaccurate.
I did not say a nothing or the nothing has no meaning for something what is not nothing. But what is this meaning? What is someone able to say in a plaubible way of the nothing "before" the not nothing started to be?
It takes no great leap of imagination to imagine other space and times. What makes those other space and times space and times is the presence of energy. No energy, no space and time. Seriously, this isn't that difficult of a concept to grasp. The creation of some space and times would logically occur before the creation of our space and time. The creation of other space and times would logically occur after our space and time. So your problem must be one of point of reference because you can't comprehend anything happening outside of our space and time.
It's like you are inside of a bubble and can't comprehend that there are other bubbles.