D. Trump: What caused the war to start was when they (Ukrainians) started talking about joining NATO - English version

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Over the past few months, D. Trump has repeatedly spoken out about the responsibility of the Ukrainian side for the current crisis (see the quotes below):
"You (Ukrainians) should have never started it." see here.
“Listen, when you start a war, you gotta know that you can win the war, right? You don’t start a war with someone who’s 20 times your size and then hope people give you some missiles.” see here.

And finally, at the end of last week, in an interview with TIME magazine, D. Trump named a specific reason for the start of the war; see below the quote from the TIME website:
TIME: Should Ukraine give up any hope of ever joining NATO?
D. Trump: I don't think they'll ever be able to join NATO. I think that's been—from day one, I think that's been … what caused the war to start was when they started talking about joining NATO.​

Before the start of the Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine, the Russian government demanded guarantees from the West that Ukraine would not be accepted into NATO.
The leaders of Western countries then responded that Ukraine is an independent country and must decide for itself what it should join or not join.

However, when Soviet missiles were deployed on the territory of the independent country of Cuba in 1962, US President D. Kennedy declared that these missiles had been deployed too close to US territory. Therefore, D. Kennedy ordered US warships to blockade Cuba, which was a gross violation of international law, since a blockade may only be carried out against states that are at war with each other.
Therefore, N. S. Khrushchev, the then leader of the USSR (former head of the Communist Party of Ukraine, married to a Ukrainian woman) ordered the Soviet naval forces to ensure the passage of Soviet ships to Cuba.

Thus, in 1962, due to the deployment of Soviet missiles in Cuba, the USA and the USSR (at the initiative of the Americans) were on the brink of war, which could well turn into a nuclear war. But then the Soviet government agreed to remove its missiles from Cuba.

In my opinion, the situation with the preparation of Ukraine's entry into NATO is very similar to the deployment of missiles in Cuba in the 1960s.

The US then objected to the presence of Soviet missiles in Cuba, and Russia now objects to NATO missiles in Ukraine.

P.S.
The picture at the top of this message is a photo of the Prime Minister of the USSR N.S. Khrushchev and the President of the USA D. Kennedy.​
 
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I am very sorry; the day before yesterday I mistakenly posted a not-English version of this my article here on the forum.
Therefore, my previous thread was closed.

It’s the English version.
 


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Yes, it is true, that the ethnic Polish takeover of the Ukraine in 2014 after US bribes, is what caused the Ukraine to deliberately start this war.
They not only tried to stop Russian use of Sevastopol, but also started murdering over 30k ethnic Russian natives of the Ukraine, and tried to put first strike NATO nukes on Russia's border.
 
Yes, it is true, that the ethnic Polish takeover of the Ukraine in 2014 after US bribes, is what caused the Ukraine to deliberately start this war.
They not only tried to stop Russian use of Sevastopol, but also started murdering over 30k ethnic Russian natives of the Ukraine, and tried to put first strike NATO nukes on Russia's border.
My, what a bunch of Putin poodles we see on this thread. Cowards all. Remember Sudetenland. If the West fails in Ukraine, WW3 is assured.
 
D. Trump: What caused the war to start was when they (Ukrainians) started talking about joining NATO - English version

What a stupid nonsense. 100% of this strange war was caused only from Putin's Russia and from no one else. Only Putin is able to know why he did fall out of history and started this totally stupid, senseless and criminal war on Europe in the Ukraine. I guess the main reason for this tyrant to do such an absurdity is the reason to fight down all Russians who do not agree with him.
 
My, what a bunch of Putin poodles we see on this thread. Cowards all. Remember Sudetenland.

What has original Prussia, Silesia, Bohemia, Moravia and other murdered and displaced German nations to do with what in this context? All problems - except the problem Oblast Kaliningrad (=the former country Prussia) - are solved since a long time and no one likes to change anything in the new borders after world war 2. The only what I suggest is to transform the original kingdom Prussia (=Oblast Kainingrad) into an international nature reserve that no one - except internationally authorized inspectors - is allowed to enter.

if the West fails in Ukraine, WW3 is assured.

Nonsense sentence. The problem is the instability of Russia - which is practically the only still existing colonial empire from the last millenium.
 
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Yes, it is true, that the ethnic Polish takeover of the Ukraine in 2014 after US bribes, is what caused the Ukraine to deliberately start this war.
They not only tried to stop Russian use of Sevastopol, but also started murdering over 30k ethnic Russian natives of the Ukraine, and tried to put first strike NATO nukes on Russia's border.

How does the food taste in your absurde hospital?

If you should not know: It had been the Russians who had done a genocide on the Poles in their part of Poland before World War 1 started. And Russia (+Serbia) started World War 1 the same time with the argument "Russia is the protective power of all Slavs in Europe". Indeed the Poles (=Slavs) in the Austrian part of Poland before World War 1 had been respected citizens of the Austrian-Hungarian multi-national empire - and - as I yet said - Russia genocided the Poles in their part of Poland.

And before, in and after World War 2 Stalin murdered more Russians than anyone else did do.


And what you said here is nothing else than pure Russian propagandistic fantasy. The Russians in the Ukraine lived more save than the Russians in Russia on their own. The problem: Since 2008 Putin did send so called "combatants" (=soldiers witout uniforms) into the Donbass region on reason to provoke a kind of civil war. The most people who died in this Putin made conflict had been Ukrainian civilists.
 
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My, what a bunch of Putin poodles we see on this thread. Cowards all. Remember Sudetenland. If the West fails in Ukraine, WW3 is assured.

Do you dispute that Kamala Harris Feb 2022 offer of NATO membership to Ukraine crossed Putin's redline?
 
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