Criticisms of Evolution

[Mac1958]

Science isn't perfect, nor does it ever claim to be. It admits that there is much we still don't know. But the exciting thing is that we're learning more every day.
[WOW, DEEP! NO, REALLY]

Embracing science requires us to (a) be modest and patient enough to know that we are going to make mistakes, and (b) be intellecually (sic) curious enough to keep searching.

Modesty, patience, curiosity. Not everyone can commit to those qualities.

Yeah, that's a good one. "Modesty." So "modest" that
the proponents of Darwinism, climate change, you name it, express certainty, and repeat endlessly "fact, fact, fact."

One example is the long list of frauds such as Haeckel's drawings which were faked before 1868 and successfully challenged in court shortly thereafter. Nevertheless this "modest" science body continued to reproduce the fraudulent drawings through the twenty-first century at least. Over one hundred thirty years of fraud and "modesty" which you claim is "learning more each day."

Yeah, right.

I'm sure your religion provides you with strength, answers, guidance and comfort.

If you need that, great. I'm not required to play along. Nor do I have a need to attack you for it.

 

[harmonica]

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Many scientists have doubts about Darwin's theory.

1. so if you don't believe in evolution, you believe a full formed human just appeared.......?
2. give us the creationist's detailed theory in about 10 - 20 sentences ..and no bible crap

Even the evolutionists cannot explain themselves without the creationist view.

"... scientific creationists hold that plants and animals have not changed through time, but were created separately and in essentially their present forms. This separate or special creation occurred during 6 days of 24 hours each. Scientific creationists differ as to how long ago this creation event took place, but most place it within 6,000-20,000 years ago."

That's not entirely correct. We believe in species change through natural selection. However, there is no evolution through natural selection.

Evolution and the Origin of Races | National Center for Science Education

The movement called "scientific creationism" promotes the idea that a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis is scientifically demonstrable. Several organizations are attempting to have this view taught in American public school science classrooms.

ncse.ngo

you keep posting total lunacy .....''without creationists view'''' -ahahahhahahahaha

 

[Dagosa]

Science isn't perfect, nor does it ever claim to be. It admits that there is much we still don't know. But the exciting thing is that we're learning more every day.

Embracing science requires us to (a) be modest and patient enough to know that we are going to make mistakes, and (b) be intellecually curious enough to keep searching.

Modesty, patience, curiosity. Not everyone can commit to those qualities.

The HUGE problem with evolution is LACK OF OBSERVATION. Nobody has ever seen a dinosaur or a trilobite. We have fossils but those have been faked for years by greedy people all over the world.There are websites all over the internet that teach you how to make your own fossils. Accepting evolution requires faith, just as religion does.

Huh ? Evolution exists in living organisms and is observable all around us. How do you think we develop vaccines ? Cellular division within one organism, cancer research and on and on are examples of the evolutionary process in action. There is nothing we eat in the modern world that has not been subject to manipulation using evolution and all the corollaries derived from it. You really need to open a biology book.

They try to equate the two. They HAVE to.

Every time a cell in a human organism divides, it exhibits the characteristics of evolution. Two identical twins start Out that way but as they develop they grow more dissimilar due to the outside influences on Cell division. That’s an essential part of The evolution and change of all organism we have observed,

 

[Dagosa]

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Many scientists have doubts about Darwin's theory.

1. so if you don't believe in evolution, you believe a full formed human just appeared.......?
2. give us the creationist's detailed theory in about 10 - 20 sentences ..and no bible crap

Even the evolutionists cannot explain themselves without the creationist view.

"... scientific creationists hold that plants and animals have not changed through time, but were created separately and in essentially their present forms. This separate or special creation occurred during 6 days of 24 hours each. Scientific creationists differ as to how long ago this creation event took place, but most place it within 6,000-20,000 years ago."

That's not entirely correct. We believe in species change through natural selection. However, there is no evolution through natural selection.

Evolution and the Origin of Races | National Center for Science Education

The movement called "scientific creationism" promotes the idea that a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis is scientifically demonstrable. Several organizations are attempting to have this view taught in American public school science classrooms.

ncse.ngo

you keep posting total lunacy .....''without creationists view'''' -ahahahhahahahaha

And, it’s more then coincidental that deniers of evolution are skeptics Of climate change. They can’t very well accept one without the other.
Also, “ scientific creationist” is a dichotomy. Creationism has nothing to do with natural science.

 

[Dagosa]

That’s really silly. None of the biological sciences make appeals to or requires (sic) the superstitions of religionism.

And yes, science clearly shows evolution through natural selection. That process is only in question within the fundamentalist Christian ministries.

WRONG. I'm not even a Christian and I question it. Most Moslems question it. Many Hindus question it. You're just making excuses.

*Selection* is not a "process." It is a tautology. Darwinists constantly move the target, the "process." First they aver unequivocally that there was a single common ancestor for all life on earth. When evidence pile on top of evidence contradicts their claim, then they fall back to "All we're saying is that alleles change frequency over time." HUGE FALLBACK position.

It is futile to argue with the likes of Hollie which is why I put her on Ignore long ago. Don't waste your time.

Lacking a science vocabulary, you seem befuddled on the definition of tautology. ID'iot creationers commonly use the tautology argument and because it's shared among the ID'iot creation ministries, it follows a predictable theme: The Theory of evolution is built around the phrase "Survival of the Fittest", but since they claim the measure of "fitness" is the survival rate, the phrase actually resolves to "Survival of the survivors" which is circular and simply an empty tautology. However, what ID'iot creationers don't see is that their argument is an attack only against the wording used to describe one of the core concepts in evolution. It is not a challenge to the observable phenomenon to which "Survival of the Fittest" actually refers.

For some talking points at your Sunday madrassah meeting, you should know that it was Herbert Spencer who coined the phrase "survival of the fittest." Charles Darwin didn't use the phrase until the 6th edition of his Origin of Species as a substitute term for "natural selection."

I was not aware that Darwinists state "unequivocally that there was a single common ancestor for all life on earth." That may be something you were taught at your Christian madrassah but it's not a scientific claim.

You put me on ignore because your nonsensical claims don't hold up to even casual scrutiny.

Exactly. Science isn’t “ wrong” and neither was Darwin. Just because we improve our understanding as new evidence is found, doesn’t mean those who didn’t have that evidence were wrong. They are just conclusions based upon the evidence at hand at the time. Hence the term ‘ theory.”

 

[james bond]

That's not entirely correct. We believe in species change through natural selection.

Not "natural selection", adaptation.

If you will notice on every nature show, the announcer always claims that this animal and that are "perfectly adapted" to their habitat. Not perfectly evolved. Not perfectly selected. They invariably and correctly state "perfectly adapted."

Your unsupported claim about “every nature show” is pretty typical of the unsupported claims by ID’iot creationers.

It would be appropriate for the religious extremists to explain how any adaptation would, or need, to occur on the planet where most forms of life have only existed for a few thousand years; since Noah’s pleasure cruise.

Haha. Stop with your tired, worn out hate messages against creation science and its supporter. Can't you not just explain what the difference is between adaptation and natural selection and that natural selection is the driver of adaptation? It goes to show you know nothing about the science. We already know you know nothing about the Bible and religion, but red eyed hate.

 

[james bond]

Huh ? Evolution exists in living organisms and is observable all around us. How do you think we develop vaccines ? Cellular division within one organism, cancer research and on and on are examples of the evolutionary process in action. There is nothing we eat in the modern world that has not been subject to manipulation using evolution and all the corollaries derived from it. You really need to open a biology book.

No, it's not due to evolution. It's due to natural selection which was provided already in nature. The difference is we have new species in current time. No need for long time and descent with modification. We see new species constantly through natural selection, mutation, genetic drift, and hybridization.

So you don’t think evolution plays the major role in vaccine development?
I’m sure you don’t understand quantum theory also, but I bet you still use a computer and a cell phone. . You’re a hypocrite.

Haha. Got it. You can't explain vaccines nor quantum theory and evolution either when given the chance. Just what do you think is evolution?

 

[james bond]

Google Groups

Many scientists have doubts about Darwin's theory.

1. so if you don't believe in evolution, you believe a full formed human just appeared.......?
2. give us the creationist's detailed theory in about 10 - 20 sentences ..and no bible crap

Even the evolutionists cannot explain themselves without the creationist view.

"... scientific creationists hold that plants and animals have not changed through time, but were created separately and in essentially their present forms. This separate or special creation occurred during 6 days of 24 hours each. Scientific creationists differ as to how long ago this creation event took place, but most place it within 6,000-20,000 years ago."

That's not entirely correct. We believe in species change through natural selection. However, there is no evolution through natural selection.

Evolution and the Origin of Races | National Center for Science Education

The movement called "scientific creationism" promotes the idea that a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis is scientifically demonstrable. Several organizations are attempting to have this view taught in American public school science classrooms.

ncse.ngo

you keep posting total lunacy .....''without creationists view'''' -ahahahhahahahaha

You wanted to know why why creation science or real science didn't believe in evolution. You have to agree that evolution contradicts everything creation science says. Thus, the article states briefly what creation science is. My point is even the evolutionists cannot discuss evolution without creation science. Furthermore, it is total lunacy to believe the universe started with a big bang when there was no space and time. Nor believe that we have descent with modification over long time when we see new species all the time. What we don't see is they become a new class of species such as humans from apes. Thus, there is no evolution.

 

[Hollie]

That's not entirely correct. We believe in species change through natural selection.

Not "natural selection", adaptation.

If you will notice on every nature show, the announcer always claims that this animal and that are "perfectly adapted" to their habitat. Not perfectly evolved. Not perfectly selected. They invariably and correctly state "perfectly adapted."

Your unsupported claim about “every nature show” is pretty typical of the unsupported claims by ID’iot creationers.

It would be appropriate for the religious extremists to explain how any adaptation would, or need, to occur on the planet where most forms of life have only existed for a few thousand years; since Noah’s pleasure cruise.

Haha. Stop with your tired, worn out hate messages against creation science and its supporter. Can't you not just explain what the difference is between adaptation and natural selection and that natural selection is the driver of adaptation? It goes to show you know nothing about the science. We already know you know nothing about the Bible and religion, but red eyed hate.

My, but aren't you the angry fundamentalist. Why don't you a'splain why there is such a thing as adaptation and natural selection. If we're to accept that the gods are responsible for all life on the planet subsequent to a global flood just a few thousand years ago, why should there be any occurrence of adaptation and natural selection?

ID'iot creationers want to sidestep and evade the difficult questions surrounding magical / supernatural gods manipulating all of existence. If, as you claim, the planet is only 6,000 years old, there shouldn’t be any fossil remains. There should be no transitional species dating back millions of years. Quite a dilemma for the ID'iot creationer YEC'ists. Maybe you can magic-splain this?

 

[Dagosa]

creation science

Creationism is not a science. it’s made up shit.

 

[Dagosa]

Huh ? Evolution exists in living organisms and is observable all around us. How do you think we develop vaccines ? Cellular division within one organism, cancer research and on and on are examples of the evolutionary process in action. There is nothing we eat in the modern world that has not been subject to manipulation using evolution and all the corollaries derived from it. You really need to open a biology book.

No, it's not due to evolution. It's due to natural selection which was provided already in nature. The difference is we have new species in current time. No need for long time and descent with modification. We see new species constantly through natural selection, mutation, genetic drift, and hybridization.

So you don’t think evolution plays the major role in vaccine development?
I’m sure you don’t understand quantum theory also, but I bet you still use a computer and a cell phone. . You’re a hypocrite.

Haha. Got it. You can't explain vaccines nor quantum theory and evolution either when given the chance. Just what do you think is evolution?

I know vaccine development at its core uses evolution and It’s corollaries. You on the other hand think you know more then every accredited university in the world. What a dolt.

I know that 80% of our economy is dependent upon quantum theory, directly and indirectly. You my fine tuned “nincompoop” are just a neophyte in science awareness because you follow a dumbass lunatic.

 

[james bond]

I know vaccine development at its core uses evolution and It’s corollaries. You on the other hand think you know more then every accredited university in the world. What a dolt.

It's fake science since you're just claiming it does, but provide no evidence.

 

[Dagosa]

I know vaccine development at its core uses evolution and It’s corollaries. You on the other hand think you know more then every accredited university in the world. What a dolt.

It's fake science since you're just claiming it does, but provide no evidence.

The evidence is apparent to anyone who isn’t totally science illiterate. That’s not you. You have a computer. You have access to the sites of any university in the world. Yet, you get your info about science from people who know nothing about science. Amazing....

 

[james bond]

I know vaccine development at its core uses evolution and It’s corollaries. You on the other hand think you know more then every accredited university in the world. What a dolt.

It's fake science since you're just claiming it does, but provide no evidence.

The evidence is apparent to anyone who isn’t totally science illiterate. That’s not you. You have a computer. You have access to the sites of any university in the world. Yet, you get your info about science from people who know nothing about science. Amazing....

It appears Donald Trump won't need a vaccine to survive, so he just let's it run its course. It appears our bodies build up a herd immunity to a new virus and we know that isn't passed on. Thus, you could not explain your claim, have poo poo in your face, and now we know you have poo poo in your brain.

 

[Hollie]

I know vaccine development at its core uses evolution and It’s corollaries. You on the other hand think you know more then every accredited university in the world. What a dolt.

It's fake science since you're just claiming it does, but provide no evidence.

The evidence is apparent to anyone who isn’t totally science illiterate. That’s not you. You have a computer. You have access to the sites of any university in the world. Yet, you get your info about science from people who know nothing about science. Amazing....

It appears Donald Trump won't need a vaccine to survive, so he just let's it run its course. It appears our bodies build up a herd immunity to a new virus and we know that isn't passed on. Thus, you could not explain your claim, have poo poo in your face, and now we know you have poo poo in your brain.

President Trump has taken an anti-viral drug. He didn’t let the illness “run its course”.

You might try learning the facts and communicating on something more than a 5th grade level.

 

[james bond]

I know vaccine development at its core uses evolution and It’s corollaries. You on the other hand think you know more then every accredited university in the world. What a dolt.

It's fake science since you're just claiming it does, but provide no evidence.

The evidence is apparent to anyone who isn’t totally science illiterate. That’s not you. You have a computer. You have access to the sites of any university in the world. Yet, you get your info about science from people who know nothing about science. Amazing....

It appears Donald Trump won't need a vaccine to survive, so he just let's it run its course. It appears our bodies build up a herd immunity to a new virus and we know that isn't passed on. Thus, you could not explain your claim, have poo poo in your face, and now we know you have poo poo in your brain.

President Trump has taken an anti-viral drug. He didn’t let the illness “run its course”.

You might try learning the facts and communicating on something more than a 5th grade level.

Finally, you present something to discuss.

So now you're saying drugs are evolution ? I don't think any drug nor vaccines are passed on to another generation. The continued use and subsequent damage could be while still in the womb which is direct transmission and not evolution. This shows there is no evidence for evolution. We know Dagosa doesn't know much about science and is just pulling stuff out his rear end.

I did find the AIDS virus and we still don't have a vaccine for it. Isn't that in favor of Christian morality? It is also direct transmission and not something that evolves. So a vaccine and a virus aren't exactly something that evolves.

What creation science does find is that an unhealthy lifestyle can be passed down to the next generation. Thus, if someone abuses drugs, then that sin is likely to be passed down. Notice, its the habit or unhealthy lifestyle that is passed down and not the results of the drugs or vaccines.

 

[esalla]

I know vaccine development at its core uses evolution and It’s corollaries. You on the other hand think you know more then every accredited university in the world. What a dolt.

It's fake science since you're just claiming it does, but provide no evidence.

The evidence is apparent to anyone who isn’t totally science illiterate. That’s not you. You have a computer. You have access to the sites of any university in the world. Yet, you get your info about science from people who know nothing about science. Amazing....

It appears Donald Trump won't need a vaccine to survive, so he just let's it run its course. It appears our bodies build up a herd immunity to a new virus and we know that isn't passed on. Thus, you could not explain your claim, have poo poo in your face, and now we know you have poo poo in your brain.

President Trump has taken an anti-viral drug. He didn’t let the illness “run its course”.

You might try learning the facts and communicating on something more than a 5th grade level.

I had covid and did not take any antiviral

So what is your point

LOL you find the name of the animals that were observed speciating yet

 

[Dagosa]

So now you're saying drugs are evolution

That’s stupid. I said, vaccines are developed using evolution Theory. You’re so biologically illiterate, it’s impossible for you to make sense. Drugs are not all vaccines dufus.

 

[Dagosa]

I know vaccine development at its core uses evolution and It’s corollaries. You on the other hand think you know more then every accredited university in the world. What a dolt.

It's fake science since you're just claiming it does, but provide no evidence.

The evidence is apparent to anyone who isn’t totally science illiterate. That’s not you. You have a computer. You have access to the sites of any university in the world. Yet, you get your info about science from people who know nothing about science. Amazing....

It appears Donald Trump won't need a vaccine to survive, so he just let's it run its course. It appears our bodies build up a herd immunity to a new virus and we know that isn't passed on. Thus, you could not explain your claim, have poo poo in your face, and now we know you have poo poo in your brain.

President Trump has taken an anti-viral drug. He didn’t let the illness “run its course”.

You might try learning the facts and communicating on something more than a 5th grade level.

He can’t make sense. He’s on a steroid high after taking them for his breathing problem.

 

[Dagosa]

I know vaccine development at its core uses evolution and It’s corollaries. You on the other hand think you know more then every accredited university in the world. What a dolt.

It's fake science since you're just claiming it does, but provide no evidence.

The evidence is apparent to anyone who isn’t totally science illiterate. That’s not you. You have a computer. You have access to the sites of any university in the world. Yet, you get your info about science from people who know nothing about science. Amazing....

It appears Donald Trump won't need a vaccine to survive, so he just let's it run its course. It appears our bodies build up a herd immunity to a new virus and we know that isn't passed on. Thus, you could not explain your claim, have poo poo in your face, and now we know you have poo poo in your brain.

Look up herd immunity. Populations develop herd immunity, not individuals. They develop personal immunity through anti bodies after infection and vaccines. Vaccines help develop herd immunity without a significant population getting sick.