Criminalizing unemployed - Sen. Hatch wants unemployed to face mandatory drug tests

I love it when "small government" conservatives demand more government to police people's private lives.

They call themselves 'conservatives', but what they really are is authoritarians. Authoritarians have a very strong affinity for punishment. Some even enjoy it, regardless of the cost to society.

They would rather spend $40,000 per year to incarcerate a human being, than spend $9,500 per year for welfare relief.They have taken over the Republican party and the Tea party...they will destroy America if they gain enough power.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives. Robert Altmeyer

What part of "no tax money for drugs" don't you get? It was part of my job to ID people who looked strung-out or under the influence, or impaired from drinking and send them for a random drug test. Insurance rates and ultimately US jobs depend on having professional workers working is a safe environment.

Lefties whine about conservatives and authoritarians, but that strawman is bullshit. The fact is that insurance rates and ultimately US jobs depend upon worker behaviors. If US workers are unsafe, the jobs will go elsewhere.
 
I love it when "small government" conservatives demand more government to police people's private lives.

They call themselves 'conservatives', but what they really are is authoritarians. Authoritarians have a very strong affinity for punishment. Some even enjoy it, regardless of the cost to society.

They would rather spend $40,000 per year to incarcerate a human being, than spend $9,500 per year for welfare relief.They have taken over the Republican party and the Tea party...they will destroy America if they gain enough power.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives. Robert Altmeyer

What part of "no tax money for drugs" don't you get? It was part of my job to ID people who looked strung-out or under the influence, or impaired from drinking and send them for a random drug test. Insurance rates and ultimately US jobs depend on having professional workers working is a safe environment.

Lefties whine about conservatives and authoritarians, but that strawman is bullshit. The fact is that insurance rates and ultimately US jobs depend upon worker behaviors. If US workers are unsafe, the jobs will go elsewhere.

We need that "small" government to make sure that our workers are safe, and make sure our insurance rates don't go up, and make sure that workers are "behaving".

Sure doesn't sound like "small" government to me.
 
They call themselves 'conservatives', but what they really are is authoritarians. Authoritarians have a very strong affinity for punishment. Some even enjoy it, regardless of the cost to society.

They would rather spend $40,000 per year to incarcerate a human being, than spend $9,500 per year for welfare relief.They have taken over the Republican party and the Tea party...they will destroy America if they gain enough power.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives. Robert Altmeyer

What part of "no tax money for drugs" don't you get? It was part of my job to ID people who looked strung-out or under the influence, or impaired from drinking and send them for a random drug test. Insurance rates and ultimately US jobs depend on having professional workers working is a safe environment.

Lefties whine about conservatives and authoritarians, but that strawman is bullshit. The fact is that insurance rates and ultimately US jobs depend upon worker behaviors. If US workers are unsafe, the jobs will go elsewhere.

We need that "small" government to make sure that our workers are safe, and make sure our insurance rates don't go up, and make sure that workers are "behaving".

Sure doesn't sound like "small" government to me.

What do you expect from an authoritarian? Nothing BUT false strawman arguments to justify punishment, conformity and power over every aspect of your life. But no drug tests for the CEO's that ship jobs overseas where people are paid pennies a day and treated like dogs.


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They call themselves 'conservatives', but what they really are is authoritarians. Authoritarians have a very strong affinity for punishment. Some even enjoy it, regardless of the cost to society.

They would rather spend $40,000 per year to incarcerate a human being, than spend $9,500 per year for welfare relief.They have taken over the Republican party and the Tea party...they will destroy America if they gain enough power.
While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives. Robert Altmeyer

What part of "no tax money for drugs" don't you get? It was part of my job to ID people who looked strung-out or under the influence, or impaired from drinking and send them for a random drug test. Insurance rates and ultimately US jobs depend on having professional workers working is a safe environment.

Lefties whine about conservatives and authoritarians, but that strawman is bullshit. The fact is that insurance rates and ultimately US jobs depend upon worker behaviors. If US workers are unsafe, the jobs will go elsewhere.

We need that "small" government to make sure that our workers are safe, and make sure our insurance rates don't go up, and make sure that workers are "behaving". Sure doesn't sound like "small" government to me.

Makes more sense than giving all the illegals UHC, Medicare and other benefits they didn't pay for. It would pay for itself either in benefits saved, or worker productivity increased. You don't get the profitability = more jobs relationship (which ultimately means more tax revenue)
 
Hey pea brain, what you just said is there's nothing wrong with SOCIALISM

Uhhhh... no I didn't. Way to spin ineffectually.

You are way over your head here, because you have no idea what a free market is, how it works or how it is being undermined.

SQUEEEEE! Oh boy! explain to me oh great guru of how capitalism works, commie. I'm going to LOVE to hear this libberish.
 
Sen. Hatch wants unemployed to face mandatory drug tests - The Hill

Hey Orrin, why not just use ankle monitors?

WHO will pay for this expensive 'program'? Fiscal conservatism is just a code word. It is all about trying to turn democracy into an aristocracy. Hatch's 'program' would help to perpetuate the perception that there's "a two-class system where if you're unemployed, you no longer have the same rights as other people. It kind of criminalizes being jobless, just like over the past 20 years or so we've criminalized being homeless. That seems to be the answer for a lot of Republicans; just go ahead and go to war on the problem instead of dealing with it in a more human way."

See the only reason that someone doesn't have a job in this thriving economy is because they are drug addicts. Hatch is just trying to help.

What with David Walker's wistful call for a return to debtor's prison and this hideous attack on the unemployed it's evident that the fatuous elites in this country are so out of touch that they really have no idea how obscene their aristocratic braying sounds to average Americans. or perhaps they do, and just don't care. If your point is to pretend that 10% official unemployment is simply a reflection of the bad character of the unemployed so you can protect the wealth of the ruling class, then turning every unemployed person into a suspected criminal and potential drug user makes sense.

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In a free country, we must make sure those among us who aren't contributing get drug tested. For all we know, every single person who is unemployed is so because of drugs. Once these people do manage to get jobs, they should have their wages garnished to pay for the monthly drug tests they had while they were unemployed! The drug tests are for their own good, and why should tax payers foot the bill?
 
Sen. Hatch wants unemployed to face mandatory drug tests - The Hill

Hey Orrin, why not just use ankle monitors?

WHO will pay for this expensive 'program'? Fiscal conservatism is just a code word. It is all about trying to turn democracy into an aristocracy. Hatch's 'program' would help to perpetuate the perception that there's "a two-class system where if you're unemployed, you no longer have the same rights as other people. It kind of criminalizes being jobless, just like over the past 20 years or so we've criminalized being homeless. That seems to be the answer for a lot of Republicans; just go ahead and go to war on the problem instead of dealing with it in a more human way."

See the only reason that someone doesn't have a job in this thriving economy is because they are drug addicts. Hatch is just trying to help.

What with David Walker's wistful call for a return to debtor's prison and this hideous attack on the unemployed it's evident that the fatuous elites in this country are so out of touch that they really have no idea how obscene their aristocratic braying sounds to average Americans. or perhaps they do, and just don't care. If your point is to pretend that 10% official unemployment is simply a reflection of the bad character of the unemployed so you can protect the wealth of the ruling class, then turning every unemployed person into a suspected criminal and potential drug user makes sense.

fascism_not_us.jpg


RefRef

In a free country, we must make sure those among us who aren't contributing get drug tested. For all we know, every single person who is unemployed is so because of drugs. Once these people do manage to get jobs, they should have their wages garnished to pay for the monthly drug tests they had while they were unemployed! The drug tests are for their own good, and why should tax payers foot the bill?

Working people pay taxes. In the end the drug test is paid by the consumer. You pass economics in high school?
 
Again, far better than you if not most liberals on this board. Nothing wrong with externalization either. You'd do it too.

Hey pea brain, what you just said is there's nothing wrong with SOCIALISM

Uhhhh... no I didn't. Way to spin ineffectually.

Yes you did, cost externalization IS socialism. Cost externalization is NOT a free market tenet. It undermines a free market.

You are way over your head here, because you have no idea what a free market is, how it works or how it is being undermined.

SQUEEEEE! Oh boy! explain to me oh great guru of how capitalism works, commie. I'm going to LOVE to hear this libberish.

I didn't say capitalism, I said a free market. Here's a thought for you, LOOK UP cost externalization because you clearly don't know what it is.
 
cost externalization IS socialism.

That word... I do not think it means, what you think it means. As a matter of fact, I know it doesn't because what you're thinking of is called externality. Look up the definition of what Externalization is yourself.

Externality is the economic use of the word.

After going ahead and reading the article on Encyclopedia.com about Externalities, I have to say you don't know what the **** you're saying either according to their definition. It certainly doesn't mirror what I was taught when I took economics in college.

Cost externalization is NOT a free market tenet. It undermines a free market.

What is discussed on encyclopedia.com could be described as the 'law of unintended consequences' and/or 'shit happens, ******* deal'.

In my college level course on the subject, externalizing costs meant passing on the negative to those who consume the good or service. Not uninvolved third parties reaping or suffering consequences of the exchange by the producer and consumer. Passing on negative aspects of production, like taxes, fees and expenses for a producer are all passed on to the consumer. Why? Because otherwise the producer COULD NOT PRODUCE MORE as they would be unable to keep up with the price of doing business, and ultimately succumb to the pressures making them unable to produce more... shutting them down. This is known as good economic policy. Price yourself higher than your costs so you can make enough profit to support yourself and grow. It is a foundation of the free market.

If I sell bottled water, and I know that it costs me 20 cents a gallon to produce one clean gallon of bottled water, I need to price every gallon of bottled water at least at 21 cents a gallon or I would go out of business in relatively short order. If I choose to charge a dollar a gallon and earn a profit of 80 cents a gallon, allowing me to produce 4 extra gallons for the price of one gallon pumped is my choice and is possible as long as the public believes it is getting a good value for a gallon of water at 1 dollar a gallon. The fact that I am getting 400% profit is nobody's business but my own. It is not a sin, or crime or wrong. I priced it that expensive, and people are buying it at that price believing that they are receiving a fair product at a fair price. Caveat emptor.

Where the real issue is, would be if I was lying about the contents of what I sell and therefore defrauding the purchasers. For instance. If I say it's pure Cartesian spring water coming from rare mineral springs, and I got it from the ******* TAP in West Podunk, Indiana from their municipal water system, then they have a right to come after me. It's called criminal fraud.

This is pure capitalism, not socialism. But your mistaken use of the term Externalization is a psychological term more than economic term, and I made the error in assuming you meant Externalities. But it did provide the opportunity to show everyone, once again Tardtard, why you are the king of tards.

I said a free market.

You wouldn't know a free market even if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing "Free Markets are here today!"

There. I looked it up and schooled your ass once again Tardtard. You're beginning to remind me of an old joke who continually buttfucks a hunter that keeps missing the shot, and finally asks him "you're not here for the hunting, are you?"
 
Sen. Hatch wants unemployed to face mandatory drug tests - The Hill

Hey Orrin, why not just use ankle monitors?

WHO will pay for this expensive 'program'? Fiscal conservatism is just a code word. It is all about trying to turn democracy into an aristocracy. Hatch's 'program' would help to perpetuate the perception that there's "a two-class system where if you're unemployed, you no longer have the same rights as other people. It kind of criminalizes being jobless, just like over the past 20 years or so we've criminalized being homeless. That seems to be the answer for a lot of Republicans; just go ahead and go to war on the problem instead of dealing with it in a more human way."

See the only reason that someone doesn't have a job in this thriving economy is because they are drug addicts. Hatch is just trying to help.

What with David Walker's wistful call for a return to debtor's prison and this hideous attack on the unemployed it's evident that the fatuous elites in this country are so out of touch that they really have no idea how obscene their aristocratic braying sounds to average Americans. or perhaps they do, and just don't care. If your point is to pretend that 10% official unemployment is simply a reflection of the bad character of the unemployed so you can protect the wealth of the ruling class, then turning every unemployed person into a suspected criminal and potential drug user makes sense.

fascism_not_us.jpg


RefRef

In a free country, we must make sure those among us who aren't contributing get drug tested. For all we know, every single person who is unemployed is so because of drugs. Once these people do manage to get jobs, they should have their wages garnished to pay for the monthly drug tests they had while they were unemployed! The drug tests are for their own good, and why should tax payers foot the bill?

Working people pay taxes. In the end the drug test is paid by the consumer. You pass economics in high school?

I was being facetious. Did you pass English in high school?:eusa_whistle:
 
republicans love giant government when it oppresses blacks and browns.
 
cost externalization IS socialism.

That word... I do not think it means, what you think it means. As a matter of fact, I know it doesn't because what you're thinking of is called externality. Look up the definition of what Externalization is yourself.

Externality is the economic use of the word.

After going ahead and reading the article on Encyclopedia.com about Externalities, I have to say you don't know what the **** you're saying either according to their definition. It certainly doesn't mirror what I was taught when I took economics in college.

Cost externalization is NOT a free market tenet. It undermines a free market.

What is discussed on encyclopedia.com could be described as the 'law of unintended consequences' and/or 'shit happens, ******* deal'.

In my college level course on the subject, externalizing costs meant passing on the negative to those who consume the good or service. Not uninvolved third parties reaping or suffering consequences of the exchange by the producer and consumer. Passing on negative aspects of production, like taxes, fees and expenses for a producer are all passed on to the consumer. Why? Because otherwise the producer COULD NOT PRODUCE MORE as they would be unable to keep up with the price of doing business, and ultimately succumb to the pressures making them unable to produce more... shutting them down. This is known as good economic policy. Price yourself higher than your costs so you can make enough profit to support yourself and grow. It is a foundation of the free market.

If I sell bottled water, and I know that it costs me 20 cents a gallon to produce one clean gallon of bottled water, I need to price every gallon of bottled water at least at 21 cents a gallon or I would go out of business in relatively short order. If I choose to charge a dollar a gallon and earn a profit of 80 cents a gallon, allowing me to produce 4 extra gallons for the price of one gallon pumped is my choice and is possible as long as the public believes it is getting a good value for a gallon of water at 1 dollar a gallon. The fact that I am getting 400% profit is nobody's business but my own. It is not a sin, or crime or wrong. I priced it that expensive, and people are buying it at that price believing that they are receiving a fair product at a fair price. Caveat emptor.

Where the real issue is, would be if I was lying about the contents of what I sell and therefore defrauding the purchasers. For instance. If I say it's pure Cartesian spring water coming from rare mineral springs, and I got it from the ******* TAP in West Podunk, Indiana from their municipal water system, then they have a right to come after me. It's called criminal fraud.

This is pure capitalism, not socialism. But your mistaken use of the term Externalization is a psychological term more than economic term, and I made the error in assuming you meant Externalities. But it did provide the opportunity to show everyone, once again Tardtard, why you are the king of tards.

I said a free market.

You wouldn't know a free market even if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing "Free Markets are here today!"

There. I looked it up and schooled your ass once again Tardtard. You're beginning to remind me of an old joke who continually buttfucks a hunter that keeps missing the shot, and finally asks him "you're not here for the hunting, are you?"

The only one making a 'tard' out of himself is you. You are obtuse to what cost externalization IS and how it is socialism.

Let's take your hypothetical bottled water plant. Your '20 cents a gallon to produce one clean gallon of bottled water' is your internalized costs.

Your resource for the water is a stream that runs through your property. It requires little processing because it is a clean source.

I own the adjacent property to yours. The same stream runs through my property, but I am upstream from you. I open a plastic bottle factory. Part of my cost is disposing of toxic chemicals that are a byproduct of the manufacturing process. It would cost me $100 per gallon to have it put in containers and hauled off if I internalize that cost, so I decide to run a pipe into the stream that runs through my property. I just increased MY profits. I have externalized MY costs on to YOU. NOW your 20 cents per gallon will become $1.00 per gallon to remove the toxins... tough shit for YOU.
 
hatch is an assclown as are the ******* GED educated losers here who support him.
Oh yeah, ConNarc has a history degree, frank has finance, and soggyracist is a pencil pusher. Clowns
 
hatch is an assclown as are the ******* GED educated losers here who support him.
Oh yeah, ConNarc has a history degree, frank has finance, and soggyracist is a pencil pusher. Clowns

See folks, this is what happens when you smoke dope. Topspin has totally lost his ability to debate with facts and reason. Instead we get personal attacks and feelings. When you have your hand out for something, there are going to be strings attached. Don't like the strings, don't take what they are offering. Some how buying your dope with unemployment checks just seems like a real slam against the hard working people that provided your money.
 
criminalization is a common reaction to high unemployment. some of it is natural - high rates of unemployment precipitate higher rates of crime. this seems like a bold embrace of the incarceration 'solution' which played out during the reagan administration's struggle with the new jobless recovery phenomenon resulting from his supply-side policies and a rapidly de-industrializing nation. orin hatch was there. he'd remember.

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hatch is an assclown as are the ******* GED educated losers here who support him.
Oh yeah, ConNarc has a history degree, frank has finance, and soggyracist is a pencil pusher. Clowns

See folks, this is what happens when you smoke dope. Topspin has totally lost his ability to debate with facts and reason. Instead we get personal attacks and feelings. When you have your hand out for something, there are going to be strings attached. Don't like the strings, don't take what they are offering. Some how buying your dope with unemployment checks just seems like a real slam against the hard working people that provided your money.

I don't know what state sold you a GED, but small gov is ******* comical coming from you red state rednecks.:lol:
 
I wonder if Hatch ever ran the numbers for how much drug testing would cost the taxpayers..

Hatch isn't the brightest bulb nor very creative, I'm sure this has already been considered and then abandoned after laying down the figures. He's getting senile, I swear.
 
hatch is a clown as was ashcroft

it will come out after legalization that beer and pharma companies were the biggest funders against.
 
I wonder if Hatch ever ran the numbers for how much drug testing would cost the taxpayers..

Hatch isn't the brightest bulb nor very creative, I'm sure this has already been considered and then abandoned after laying down the figures. He's getting senile, I swear.

What difference would that make to a politician when they all seem to believe that they have a never ending supply of credit?

Immie
 
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