Criminal on bail for illegal gun possession, shoots 15 year old with another illegal gun, Chicago...

[airplanemechanic]

The threat of the death penalty doesn't stop people from killing each other.

Sorry 2Aguy, I disagree with you completely on this. Keep sentencing as it is.

Japan taught this lesson to their criminals.....

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

-----

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”



--A police officer in Osaka’s Organized Crime Control Division, speaking on background noted, “In the de facto world of law enforcement, when a yakuza fires a gun, we’re almost always going to charge them with attempted murder—which is a very heavy crime and serious time in ‘the pig-house’ (jail). Guns kill people, so if you use one, intent to kill is right there. Toy guns? Not so much.”

He added, “Unless you’re an old gangster and wanting to stay in jail until you die because you got nowhere else to go, you don’t use a gun. The crime isn’t worth the time in jail.”

You really want our gun laws to be like Japans? REALLY? Be careful what you wish for.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Sure. Why shouldn't she?

 

[candycorn]

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Sure. Why shouldn't she?

For life?


”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

Quoting the OP...a gun crime should get a life sentence according to him.

Agree? Or are we going to back off of tough sentencing for some reason?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Sure. Why shouldn't she?

For life?

Again:
Sure. Why shouldn't she?

 

[candycorn]

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Sure. Why shouldn't she?

For life?

Again:
Sure. Why shouldn't she?

Thanks.

Ask the OP. 2aguy care to weigh in?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Sure. Why shouldn't she?

For life?

Again:
Sure. Why shouldn't she?

Thanks.
Ask the OP. 2aguy care to weigh in?

I believe you asked him, and I believe he answered.

 

[candycorn]

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Sure. Why shouldn't she?

For life?

Again:
Sure. Why shouldn't she?

Thanks.
Ask the OP. 2aguy care to weigh in?

I believe you asked him, and I believe he answered.

I’ll let him explain why he disagrees with you

 

[2aguy]

There is a direct link between the policies of the democrat party and our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

here we have more from the democrat party city of Chicago......

Prosecutors: Boy fatally shot by man who was on "affordable bail" for gun charge

An Englewood man is charged with fatally shooting a 15-year-old boy while free on a recognizance bond and electronic monitoring as he awaited trial for allegedly possessing a stolen handgun.

And police say he was carrying another handgun when they arrested him last week.

It’s the latest in a string of violent crimes identified by CWBChicago that were allegedly committed by people who were on affordable bail while awaiting trial for gun crimes and other serious felonies.

-----
Last July, prosecutors charged Coleman with felony unlawful use of a weapon after police allegedly found a loaded handgun near his seat during a traffic stop on the 1900 block of West 57th Street. The gun, which had an extended ammunition magazine, had been reported stolen in Lafayette, Indiana, police said.


Judge John Lyke released Coleman on a recognizance bond with electronic monitoring the next day, according to court records.

In October, police executed a search warrant at Coleman’s home and allegedly found suspected narcotics packaging, a digital scale, and a 9-millimeter bullet.

Prosecutors charged him with possessing ammunition without a valid Firearm Owner’s ID card and Judge Susana Ortiz ordered him held without bail for violating the terms of his July bail bond.

So.....if you are a witness......do you want to testify against this guy if the democrat party judge is going to let him out on cashless bond?

My solution to gun crime....in particular gun crime created by the policies of the democrat party?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Here is what you said....


”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

So she should get a life sentence then right? She did kill someone with a gun.

What was her motive for killing the guy she killed?........you never want to state her motive.....

Her case is the exception...a politically motivated verdict. Now, let's discuss the other gun murders, by actual criminals, with long criminal histories of crime and violence...the ones actually causing our gun crime problem.

Again you asking about motive after the conviction is irrelevant. But let’s set your dodge aside.


She did shoot and kill someone, right?

Motive determines murder vs. manslaughter.....intentional taking of a life vs an accident....

She says she thought she was in her own apartment and he was an intruder when she shot him......is there anything in their past that would change that?

This was a politically motivated prosecution and conviction........

I want to put actual criminals in prison....you don't care about that.

 

[2aguy]

The threat of the death penalty doesn't stop people from killing each other.

Sorry 2Aguy, I disagree with you completely on this. Keep sentencing as it is.

Japan taught this lesson to their criminals.....

Japan’s gun control laws so strict the Yakuza turn to toy pistols



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

-----

A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”



--A police officer in Osaka’s Organized Crime Control Division, speaking on background noted, “In the de facto world of law enforcement, when a yakuza fires a gun, we’re almost always going to charge them with attempted murder—which is a very heavy crime and serious time in ‘the pig-house’ (jail). Guns kill people, so if you use one, intent to kill is right there. Toy guns? Not so much.”

He added, “Unless you’re an old gangster and wanting to stay in jail until you die because you got nowhere else to go, you don’t use a gun. The crime isn’t worth the time in jail.”

You really want our gun laws to be like Japans? REALLY? Be careful what you wish for.

No.....I want our sentencing laws for our gun crimes to be stricter than Japan........their low crime rate, all crime is due to their culture.....their criminals not using guns for crime is due to their long prison sentences.

 

[candycorn]

There is a direct link between the policies of the democrat party and our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

here we have more from the democrat party city of Chicago......

Prosecutors: Boy fatally shot by man who was on "affordable bail" for gun charge

An Englewood man is charged with fatally shooting a 15-year-old boy while free on a recognizance bond and electronic monitoring as he awaited trial for allegedly possessing a stolen handgun.

And police say he was carrying another handgun when they arrested him last week.

It’s the latest in a string of violent crimes identified by CWBChicago that were allegedly committed by people who were on affordable bail while awaiting trial for gun crimes and other serious felonies.

-----
Last July, prosecutors charged Coleman with felony unlawful use of a weapon after police allegedly found a loaded handgun near his seat during a traffic stop on the 1900 block of West 57th Street. The gun, which had an extended ammunition magazine, had been reported stolen in Lafayette, Indiana, police said.


Judge John Lyke released Coleman on a recognizance bond with electronic monitoring the next day, according to court records.

In October, police executed a search warrant at Coleman’s home and allegedly found suspected narcotics packaging, a digital scale, and a 9-millimeter bullet.

Prosecutors charged him with possessing ammunition without a valid Firearm Owner’s ID card and Judge Susana Ortiz ordered him held without bail for violating the terms of his July bail bond.

So.....if you are a witness......do you want to testify against this guy if the democrat party judge is going to let him out on cashless bond?

My solution to gun crime....in particular gun crime created by the policies of the democrat party?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Here is what you said....


”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

So she should get a life sentence then right? She did kill someone with a gun.

What was her motive for killing the guy she killed?........you never want to state her motive.....

Her case is the exception...a politically motivated verdict. Now, let's discuss the other gun murders, by actual criminals, with long criminal histories of crime and violence...the ones actually causing our gun crime problem.

Again you asking about motive after the conviction is irrelevant. But let’s set your dodge aside.


She did shoot and kill someone, right?

Motive determines murder vs. manslaughter.....intentional taking of a life vs an accident....

She says she thought she was in her own apartment and he was an intruder when she shot him......is there anything in their past that would change that?

This was a politically motivated prosecution and conviction........

I want to put actual criminals in prison....you don't care about that.

okay...she committed manslaughter with a gun. Manslaughter is a crime. She used a gun.

that is a gun crime.

you wrote....

”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

so you think Guyger who committed a gun crime should get a life sentence. Correct?

 

[2aguy]

There is a direct link between the policies of the democrat party and our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

here we have more from the democrat party city of Chicago......

Prosecutors: Boy fatally shot by man who was on "affordable bail" for gun charge

An Englewood man is charged with fatally shooting a 15-year-old boy while free on a recognizance bond and electronic monitoring as he awaited trial for allegedly possessing a stolen handgun.

And police say he was carrying another handgun when they arrested him last week.

It’s the latest in a string of violent crimes identified by CWBChicago that were allegedly committed by people who were on affordable bail while awaiting trial for gun crimes and other serious felonies.

-----
Last July, prosecutors charged Coleman with felony unlawful use of a weapon after police allegedly found a loaded handgun near his seat during a traffic stop on the 1900 block of West 57th Street. The gun, which had an extended ammunition magazine, had been reported stolen in Lafayette, Indiana, police said.


Judge John Lyke released Coleman on a recognizance bond with electronic monitoring the next day, according to court records.

In October, police executed a search warrant at Coleman’s home and allegedly found suspected narcotics packaging, a digital scale, and a 9-millimeter bullet.

Prosecutors charged him with possessing ammunition without a valid Firearm Owner’s ID card and Judge Susana Ortiz ordered him held without bail for violating the terms of his July bail bond.

So.....if you are a witness......do you want to testify against this guy if the democrat party judge is going to let him out on cashless bond?

My solution to gun crime....in particular gun crime created by the policies of the democrat party?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Here is what you said....


”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

So she should get a life sentence then right? She did kill someone with a gun.

What was her motive for killing the guy she killed?........you never want to state her motive.....

Her case is the exception...a politically motivated verdict. Now, let's discuss the other gun murders, by actual criminals, with long criminal histories of crime and violence...the ones actually causing our gun crime problem.

Again you asking about motive after the conviction is irrelevant. But let’s set your dodge aside.


She did shoot and kill someone, right?

Motive determines murder vs. manslaughter.....intentional taking of a life vs an accident....

She says she thought she was in her own apartment and he was an intruder when she shot him......is there anything in their past that would change that?

This was a politically motivated prosecution and conviction........

I want to put actual criminals in prison....you don't care about that.

okay...she committed manslaughter with a gun. Manslaughter is a crime. She used a gun.

that is a gun crime.

you wrote....

”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

so you think Guyger who committed a gun crime should get a life sentence. Correct?

No.....an accident isn't a crime....you doofus.

Why are you trying to avoid talking about the real topic.....actual criminals released from custody.....criminals with past felonies and gun crimes, released by democrat party judges and prosecutors....who then get another illegal gun and kill people......they are the people who kill 95% of our gun murder victims.....

But you want to distract with this accident......

Cause you know that you don't care about gun crime....you simply hate guns and gun owners.

 

[candycorn]

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Here is what you said....


”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

So she should get a life sentence then right? She did kill someone with a gun.

What was her motive for killing the guy she killed?........you never want to state her motive.....

Her case is the exception...a politically motivated verdict. Now, let's discuss the other gun murders, by actual criminals, with long criminal histories of crime and violence...the ones actually causing our gun crime problem.

Again you asking about motive after the conviction is irrelevant. But let’s set your dodge aside.


She did shoot and kill someone, right?

Motive determines murder vs. manslaughter.....intentional taking of a life vs an accident....

She says she thought she was in her own apartment and he was an intruder when she shot him......is there anything in their past that would change that?

This was a politically motivated prosecution and conviction........

I want to put actual criminals in prison....you don't care about that.

okay...she committed manslaughter with a gun. Manslaughter is a crime. She used a gun.

that is a gun crime.

you wrote....

”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

so you think Guyger who committed a gun crime should get a life sentence. Correct?

No.....an accident isn't a crime....you doofus.

Why are you trying to avoid talking about the real topic.....actual criminals released from custody.....criminals with past felonies and gun crimes, released by democrat party judges and prosecutors....who then get another illegal gun and kill people......they are the people who kill 95% of our gun murder victims.....

But you want to distract with this accident......

Cause you know that you don't care about gun crime....you simply hate guns and gun owners.

So now you’re stating that Amber Guyger didn’t commit a crime? She killed a guy in his own home!

Really?

 

[2aguy]

What was her motive for killing the guy she killed?........you never want to state her motive.....

Her case is the exception...a politically motivated verdict. Now, let's discuss the other gun murders, by actual criminals, with long criminal histories of crime and violence...the ones actually causing our gun crime problem.

Again you asking about motive after the conviction is irrelevant. But let’s set your dodge aside.


She did shoot and kill someone, right?

Motive determines murder vs. manslaughter.....intentional taking of a life vs an accident....

She says she thought she was in her own apartment and he was an intruder when she shot him......is there anything in their past that would change that?

This was a politically motivated prosecution and conviction........

I want to put actual criminals in prison....you don't care about that.

okay...she committed manslaughter with a gun. Manslaughter is a crime. She used a gun.

that is a gun crime.

you wrote....

”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

so you think Guyger who committed a gun crime should get a life sentence. Correct?

No.....an accident isn't a crime....you doofus.

Why are you trying to avoid talking about the real topic.....actual criminals released from custody.....criminals with past felonies and gun crimes, released by democrat party judges and prosecutors....who then get another illegal gun and kill people......they are the people who kill 95% of our gun murder victims.....

But you want to distract with this accident......

Cause you know that you don't care about gun crime....you simply hate guns and gun owners.

So now you’re stating that Amber Guyger didn’t commit a crime? She killed a guy in his own home!

Really?

Show us the motive that makes it murder.....

It was a tragic accident....

And your continued deflection from the topic is noted.

Again......what was the motive for shooting that man?

Why are you refusing to talk about actual criminals who commit actual crimes?

Cause you just hate guns and couldn't care less about actual criminals....

 

[candycorn]

Again you asking about motive after the conviction is irrelevant. But let’s set your dodge aside.


She did shoot and kill someone, right?

Motive determines murder vs. manslaughter.....intentional taking of a life vs an accident....

She says she thought she was in her own apartment and he was an intruder when she shot him......is there anything in their past that would change that?

This was a politically motivated prosecution and conviction........

I want to put actual criminals in prison....you don't care about that.

okay...she committed manslaughter with a gun. Manslaughter is a crime. She used a gun.

that is a gun crime.

you wrote....

”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

so you think Guyger who committed a gun crime should get a life sentence. Correct?

No.....an accident isn't a crime....you doofus.

Why are you trying to avoid talking about the real topic.....actual criminals released from custody.....criminals with past felonies and gun crimes, released by democrat party judges and prosecutors....who then get another illegal gun and kill people......they are the people who kill 95% of our gun murder victims.....

But you want to distract with this accident......

Cause you know that you don't care about gun crime....you simply hate guns and gun owners.

So now you’re stating that Amber Guyger didn’t commit a crime? She killed a guy in his own home!

Really?

Show us the motive that makes it murder.....

It was a tragic accident....

And your continued deflection from the topic is noted.

Again......what was the motive for shooting that man?

Why are you refusing to talk about actual criminals who commit actual crimes?

Cause you just hate guns and couldn't care less about actual criminals....

She is an actual criminal.

now, answer the question...did she commit a gun crime or not?

 

[candycorn]

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Sure. Why shouldn't she?

For life?

Again:
Sure. Why shouldn't she?

I agree...
she should spend life in prison

 

[satrebil]

There is a direct link between the policies of the democrat party and our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

here we have more from the democrat party city of Chicago......

Prosecutors: Boy fatally shot by man who was on "affordable bail" for gun charge

An Englewood man is charged with fatally shooting a 15-year-old boy while free on a recognizance bond and electronic monitoring as he awaited trial for allegedly possessing a stolen handgun.

And police say he was carrying another handgun when they arrested him last week.

It’s the latest in a string of violent crimes identified by CWBChicago that were allegedly committed by people who were on affordable bail while awaiting trial for gun crimes and other serious felonies.

-----
Last July, prosecutors charged Coleman with felony unlawful use of a weapon after police allegedly found a loaded handgun near his seat during a traffic stop on the 1900 block of West 57th Street. The gun, which had an extended ammunition magazine, had been reported stolen in Lafayette, Indiana, police said.


Judge John Lyke released Coleman on a recognizance bond with electronic monitoring the next day, according to court records.

In October, police executed a search warrant at Coleman’s home and allegedly found suspected narcotics packaging, a digital scale, and a 9-millimeter bullet.

Prosecutors charged him with possessing ammunition without a valid Firearm Owner’s ID card and Judge Susana Ortiz ordered him held without bail for violating the terms of his July bail bond.

So.....if you are a witness......do you want to testify against this guy if the democrat party judge is going to let him out on cashless bond?

My solution to gun crime....in particular gun crime created by the policies of the democrat party?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Here is what you said....


”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

So she should get a life sentence then right? She did kill someone with a gun.

What was her motive for killing the guy she killed?........you never want to state her motive.....

Her case is the exception...a politically motivated verdict. Now, let's discuss the other gun murders, by actual criminals, with long criminal histories of crime and violence...the ones actually causing our gun crime problem.

Oh God not this again...

 

[2aguy]

Motive determines murder vs. manslaughter.....intentional taking of a life vs an accident....

She says she thought she was in her own apartment and he was an intruder when she shot him......is there anything in their past that would change that?

This was a politically motivated prosecution and conviction........

I want to put actual criminals in prison....you don't care about that.

okay...she committed manslaughter with a gun. Manslaughter is a crime. She used a gun.

that is a gun crime.

you wrote....

”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

so you think Guyger who committed a gun crime should get a life sentence. Correct?

No.....an accident isn't a crime....you doofus.

Why are you trying to avoid talking about the real topic.....actual criminals released from custody.....criminals with past felonies and gun crimes, released by democrat party judges and prosecutors....who then get another illegal gun and kill people......they are the people who kill 95% of our gun murder victims.....

But you want to distract with this accident......

Cause you know that you don't care about gun crime....you simply hate guns and gun owners.

So now you’re stating that Amber Guyger didn’t commit a crime? She killed a guy in his own home!

Really?

Show us the motive that makes it murder.....

It was a tragic accident....

And your continued deflection from the topic is noted.

Again......what was the motive for shooting that man?

Why are you refusing to talk about actual criminals who commit actual crimes?

Cause you just hate guns and couldn't care less about actual criminals....

She is an actual criminal.

now, answer the question...did she commit a gun crime or not?

No. It was an accident.

 

[2aguy]

There is a direct link between the policies of the democrat party and our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

here we have more from the democrat party city of Chicago......

Prosecutors: Boy fatally shot by man who was on "affordable bail" for gun charge

An Englewood man is charged with fatally shooting a 15-year-old boy while free on a recognizance bond and electronic monitoring as he awaited trial for allegedly possessing a stolen handgun.

And police say he was carrying another handgun when they arrested him last week.

It’s the latest in a string of violent crimes identified by CWBChicago that were allegedly committed by people who were on affordable bail while awaiting trial for gun crimes and other serious felonies.

-----
Last July, prosecutors charged Coleman with felony unlawful use of a weapon after police allegedly found a loaded handgun near his seat during a traffic stop on the 1900 block of West 57th Street. The gun, which had an extended ammunition magazine, had been reported stolen in Lafayette, Indiana, police said.


Judge John Lyke released Coleman on a recognizance bond with electronic monitoring the next day, according to court records.

In October, police executed a search warrant at Coleman’s home and allegedly found suspected narcotics packaging, a digital scale, and a 9-millimeter bullet.

Prosecutors charged him with possessing ammunition without a valid Firearm Owner’s ID card and Judge Susana Ortiz ordered him held without bail for violating the terms of his July bail bond.

So.....if you are a witness......do you want to testify against this guy if the democrat party judge is going to let him out on cashless bond?

My solution to gun crime....in particular gun crime created by the policies of the democrat party?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

Amber Guyger was convicted of murder while using a gun. Should she be in jail for her “gun crime”?

Here is what you said....


”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

So she should get a life sentence then right? She did kill someone with a gun.

What was her motive for killing the guy she killed?........you never want to state her motive.....

Her case is the exception...a politically motivated verdict. Now, let's discuss the other gun murders, by actual criminals, with long criminal histories of crime and violence...the ones actually causing our gun crime problem.

Oh God not this again...

 

[candycorn]

okay...she committed manslaughter with a gun. Manslaughter is a crime. She used a gun.

that is a gun crime.

you wrote....

”By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....”

so you think Guyger who committed a gun crime should get a life sentence. Correct?

No.....an accident isn't a crime....you doofus.

Why are you trying to avoid talking about the real topic.....actual criminals released from custody.....criminals with past felonies and gun crimes, released by democrat party judges and prosecutors....who then get another illegal gun and kill people......they are the people who kill 95% of our gun murder victims.....

But you want to distract with this accident......

Cause you know that you don't care about gun crime....you simply hate guns and gun owners.

So now you’re stating that Amber Guyger didn’t commit a crime? She killed a guy in his own home!

Really?

Show us the motive that makes it murder.....

It was a tragic accident....

And your continued deflection from the topic is noted.

Again......what was the motive for shooting that man?

Why are you refusing to talk about actual criminals who commit actual crimes?

Cause you just hate guns and couldn't care less about actual criminals....

She is an actual criminal.

now, answer the question...did she commit a gun crime or not?

No. It was an accident.

Wow...last week you said it was manslaughter, today you said she didn’t even commit a crime. What’s next...should she sue for wrongful imprisonment?

 

[RealDave]

There is a direct link between the policies of the democrat party and our gun crime in democrat party controlled cities...

here we have more from the democrat party city of Chicago......

Prosecutors: Boy fatally shot by man who was on "affordable bail" for gun charge

An Englewood man is charged with fatally shooting a 15-year-old boy while free on a recognizance bond and electronic monitoring as he awaited trial for allegedly possessing a stolen handgun.

And police say he was carrying another handgun when they arrested him last week.

It’s the latest in a string of violent crimes identified by CWBChicago that were allegedly committed by people who were on affordable bail while awaiting trial for gun crimes and other serious felonies.

-----
Last July, prosecutors charged Coleman with felony unlawful use of a weapon after police allegedly found a loaded handgun near his seat during a traffic stop on the 1900 block of West 57th Street. The gun, which had an extended ammunition magazine, had been reported stolen in Lafayette, Indiana, police said.


Judge John Lyke released Coleman on a recognizance bond with electronic monitoring the next day, according to court records.

In October, police executed a search warrant at Coleman’s home and allegedly found suspected narcotics packaging, a digital scale, and a 9-millimeter bullet.

Prosecutors charged him with possessing ammunition without a valid Firearm Owner’s ID card and Judge Susana Ortiz ordered him held without bail for violating the terms of his July bail bond.

So.....if you are a witness......do you want to testify against this guy if the democrat party judge is going to let him out on cashless bond?

My solution to gun crime....in particular gun crime created by the policies of the democrat party?

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....
Mass shooters

1) end gun free zones

2) get the media to stop covering mass shootings like it is the Oscars.....

3) We are already seeing this...get people who know these nuts to report these nuts....

4) Make sure the police who know these nuts arrest these nuts when they have the chance so they will pop on background checks....
What does each do to stop mass shooters....

1) keeps shooters from targeting people, since they target gun free zones.

2) The media not covering it like they are the criminal oscars deters copycats...just like they stopped covering teen suicides to stop the copycat effect

3) The only way to stop mass shooters, since they commit no other crime, is for family, coworkers and neighbors to report their violent behavior....the Odessa shooter should have felonies for the crimes he was committing but they didn't report his shooting his weapon from his front porch....

4) The Parkland shooter had 33 contacts with police and numerous contacts with police at his school.....due to Obama's "Promise Program" the police never arrested him for the felonies he committed....so he didn't pop on the background check..

A gun that you want on the street because nothing can be done to access without a bunch of people running in circles screaming " Second Amendment! Second Amendment!"