Zone1 Creationism and science

[shockedcanadian]

All a matter of general ideology, wherever you fall will determine if you accept it as literal or not. Some believe every word in the Torah is divine and literal, others (I'd say most) believe partial literal, others still suggest it is primarily abstract, full of analogies, symbols and figurative speech. This is the reason the Talmud basically allowed it to be a living document of sorts, to dissect and analyze in debate.

I personally don't focus so much on timelines, I focus on Commands. 613 mitvot, of which just over half are still relevant and even fewer if we consider that they requires certain conditions can be abided by. Trying to determine the veracity of any specific quote, time or situation is impossible 1000s of years later.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Huh???? That's not even a word.

Theology Was the First Shipment of Mind-Candy

Intellectual snobs believe that practical knowledge is evil and low-class.

 

[teddyearp]

Theology Was the First Shipment of Mind-Candy

Intellectual snobs believe that practical knowledge is evil and low-class.

What? Who are you talking to? The voices in your head? That sage you're smoking ain't on main Street. Not even at the local dispensary.

Sorry, you make no sense at all.

 

[Votto]

Good thread, it is something I ponder all the time. One amazing thing about the bible is that to really try to understand it, you must always be seeking to understand, while knowing you will NEVER understand all of it on this side of the veil.

One has to realize the perspective in which Genesis was written. It is suggested that Moses was the author of the Torah, the first five books. Genesis all occurred before his lifetime. Put yourself in God's shoes, so to speak. If you had a time machine, how would you explain creation to someone over three thousand years ago? Dinosaur bones? The obvious signs of a global flood? All the while weaving in the story of salvation from the beginning.

The Lord introduced us to science in Genesis 2-19:20. Science has been giving names to all of the things God created ever since. Science is (and should be) after all, just an attempt to understand how God put it all together and how it all works together. But sine we cannot stop killing and hating each other, as shown even in this thread, we use it to create things that murder and destroy, Because that's a big part of what Elohim meant when they said 'let us create mankind in our likeness', we are the only beings created that can in turn create. But limited to only creating from what God already created.

We now are fervently working on creating something in OUR own image and soon we will breath actual life into it. It is already in most all of our hands via our phones, just waiting for that final breath of life.

Genesis is a remarkable document we take for granted. It actually states the universe had a beginning, something science did not believe till late 20th century once it was discovered the Bible was correct. Then you have a basic understanding of the order of creation, that is, the stars, then the planets, then the sea, then sea life, then life on land, and then man. It even states man was made from the dust of the earth.

Most creation accounts from other religions goes something like this, "A pink elephant and a white giraffe have a baby and then man was created".

Hilarious!

 

[Votto]

Theology Was the First Shipment of Mind-Candy

Intellectual snobs believe that practical knowledge is evil and low-class.

The story is not snobbish regarding knowledge; the story is snobbish on lusting for knowledge devoid of wisdom because knowledge without wisdom brings death.

In fact, I just read a thread about scientists using AI to make biological weapons, much like Covid was created in a lab.

Yea, that does not sound that wise to me.

 

[Votto]

Adamnation

Because I disagree with the moral of the tale and even its logic. No matter how it is interpreted, it obstructs human progress,

How do you define human progress?

 

[teddyearp]

Genesis is a remarkable document we take for granted. It actually states the universe had a beginning, something science did not believe till late 20th century once it was discovered the Bible was correct. Then you have a basic understanding of the order of creation, that is, the stars, then the planets, then the sea, then sea life, then life on land, and then man. It even states man was made from the dust of the earth.

Most creation accounts from other religions goes something like this, "A pink elephant and a white giraffe have a baby and then man was created".

Hilarious!

Yes, it is

It's odd that even though the basic order of atheist science matches the Bible, they don't see it.

I mean just musing, but Genesis 1:1 could say, "In the beginning, God (Elohim) created all the basic elements (and particles(?)) Musing more, genesis 1:3 could say, "God (Elohim) said, Let there be photons . . ."

Just musing . . . It's gonna be fun to find out . . .

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

What? Who are you talking to? The voices in your head? That sage you're smoking ain't on main Street. Not even at the local dispensary.

Sorry, you make no sense at all.

Originality terrifies you mind-slaves.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The story is not snobbish regarding knowledge; the story is snobbish on lusting for knowledge devoid of wisdom because knowledge without wisdom brings death.

In fact, I just read a thread about scientists using AI to make biological weapons, much like Covid was created in a lab.

Yea, that does not sound that wise to me.

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Fortune-tellers Making a Fortune

Whose wisdom? How much do we have to pay to preachers for telling us what any knowledge we get "really" means?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

How do you define human progress?

Hidalgods

Supporting the few geniuses who can get us out of living like wild animals in a jungle, which a realistic Eden would have described.

That idealized past could also have been nostalgia for a paradise for spoiled and socially useless sons of the rulers who wrote this totalitarian Bible, since their real Commandment is IT'S ALL ABOUT ME AND MINE.