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The vaccine won’t stop every infection.Because it's a non-factor. The vaccine doesn't stop infection... only symptoms... so we are all likely to be infected at some point...
"Marion Pepper, an immunologist and associate professor at the University of Washington in Seattle says that even after getting vaccinated, if someone is exposed to the virus it can take the body’s immune response some time to control an infection and the potential for transmission depends on how quickly the infection is controlled. “Most vaccines prevent disease as opposed to preventing infection,” says Anna Durbin"
Sure! And a “natural immunity” resistant variant could arise too. It’s less likely to happen if w have fewer infections.Still doesn’t mean a vaccine resistant variant wouldn’t arise...and *gasp* the vaccine doesn’t work for the delta. This is a rapidly mutating RNA virus (we have never made a vaccine for rapidly mutating RNA viruses as I already explained) and we’ve already recorded 2000 different variants. I don’t know why this is a shock. The data shows the vaccine isn’t working for the delta, and we have lambda coming down the pike. Why is this even an argument?
Vaccines are preventative. Antibiotics are treatment.Just as antibiotics breed resistance in bacteria, vaccines can incite changes that enable diseases to escape their control. Any virus or bacteria under pressure will adapt and overcome. That's pretty common knowledge. You should know that.
Where in the study does it use non-alpha variant previous infections as a control? It doesn’t. Wouldn’t that be kind of important to determine?The Pfizer vaccine is about 88% effective for delta.
And it's virtually all in red states.Because some disgruntled Republican could push a few buttons, here's the link he wanted.
I know it's not a subject all you antivaxxers don't want to hear but it's still fact. I won't embarrass you by posting stats about how many are republicans.
Do it yourselves.
Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the United States now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the vaccines have been and an indication that daily deaths — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the shots.apnews.com
Now call me an idiot.
well, it may say something about anti vaccersVaccines are preventative. Antibiotics are treatment.
They’re different.
Eventually COVID will break away from naturally immunity, yes. Still doesn’t change the fact that natural immunity provides a wider profile against multiple paths of evolution on COVID (and does indeed work against the delta). Unless you care to argue that there’s somehow more antigens on a spike protein vs the entire virus (that includes the spike protein). Have at that argument. It also doesn’t change the fact that we will drive (and have already driven) COVID to become less dangerous, since we select for less dangerous strains. This is obvious. When we’re really sick we isolate and go to the doc where we throw the kitchen sink at the virus. When we’re not that sick we often choose to still brave it out and go into work, and don’t go to the doc. This makes the virus more transmissible.Sure! And a “natural immunity” resistant variant could arise too. It’s less likely to happen if w have fewer infections.
The data shows the vaccine is working well for delta. Lambda is probably not an issue. We would know if it were by now.
The data does. I’ve posted this. An a priori response of “no it doesn’t”, doesn’t actually address my (really Israeli health) data. 40% of breakthrough infections for those vaccinated in Israel. And seasonality does not mean the virus suddenly drops out of existence. It just means conditions for spread suck.Israel had a huge spike in COVID in September. There’s no reason there couldn’t be an outbreak now, in June. There’s been many outbreaks in warm weather. This isn’t merely a seasonality thing.
Your guess about infection rates is a guess.
The data does not support saying the vaccine isn’t effective for delta.
I'm not exactly anti vax .....OR A REPUBLICAN..Because some disgruntled Republican could push a few buttons, here's the link he wanted.
I know it's not a subject all you antivaxxers don't want to hear but it's still fact. I won't embarrass you by posting stats about how many are republicans.
Do it yourselves.
Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the United States now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the vaccines have been and an indication that daily deaths — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the shots.
Now call me an idiot.
The purpose is to demonstrate efficacy of the virus, not to determine reinfection rates of "no-alpha variant previous infections".Where in the study does it use non-alpha variant previous infections as a control? It doesn’t. Wouldn’t that be kind of important to determine?
Why do y’all keep falling for this shit? These people think they can just throw fancy words at y’all, and all of a sudden everyone forgets how basic immunity and vaccinations work?
It doesn't. As stated earlier, Israel has a tiny percentage of cases that they had in previous spikes. Conditions for spread are always present for COVID, given how easily it spreads.The data does. I’ve posted this. An a priori response of “no it doesn’t”, doesn’t actually address my (really Israeli health) data. 40% of breakthrough infections for those vaccinated in Israel. And seasonality does not mean the virus suddenly drops out of existence. It just means conditions for spread suck.
Who ever said we wanted, or needed you smug assholes to communicate anything with us normal people?It's tough to say what they're being told in their universe. They appear to believe that the 99% figure is a lie, and no doubt that's what they're being told.
Pretty soon here, we're going to need some kind of system that fully and accurately translates what's happening in their universe so that we can at least communicate with them.
Good. Then stop posting to me. Thanks in advance.Who ever said we wanted, or needed you smug assholes to communicate anything with us normal people?
Is that your final guess?It doesn't. As stated earlier, Israel has a tiny percentage of cases that they had in previous spikes. Conditions for spread are always present for COVID, given how easily it spreads.
If the vaccine truly weren't effective, the rates would be far higher. Instead, they're seeing a small percentage. You can try to explain this away, but without a vaccine, Israel would undoubtedly have higher rates of not just cases, but also much higher rates of severe disease and death.
Nah, I think I’ll post to whom ever I choose….why don’t you work on your inter personal skills? Call upstairs and ask mommy how to do that poser…Good. Then stop posting to me. Thanks in advance.
Yeah, I didn't think so.Nah, I think I’ll post to whom ever I choose….why don’t you work on your inter personal skills? Call upstairs and ask mommy how to do that poser…
Vaccines are preventative. Antibiotics are treatment.
They’re different.
