Could Trump Actually Deport 11 Million People?

[georgephillip]

In a word, Y-E-S

Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

"Legally, there’s nothing to it.

"Trump doesn’t need an act of Congress.

"He doesn’t even have to sign an executive order.

"All he’ll have to do to set this outrage in motion is pick up the phone and tell the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do his or her job: enforce the law.

"Camps cost money. So do more agents. No problem.

"President Trump can shift his budget priorities in favor of ICE.

"He’s already said he would triple ICE’s enforcement division from 5,000 to 15,000 officers.

"The FBI would have to pitch in."

Sure, the optics of the biggest forced population movement since Stalin would present problems, and it isn't too likely countries of origin would be thrilled about receiving millions of bitter, unemployed new arrivals, but could Trump actually deliver on his promise?

What happens to his administration if he can't?

Living in reality

N-O


he's not stupid enough to yank 11 million paying customers out of our stagnant economy ... as always he's all mouth and no thinking ... he is doing nothing more than keeping his trained idiots foaming at the mouth hoping they will elect him ..

Adios!

"Establishmentarians can’t imagine that Trump would actually go through with mass deportations, much less how he would carry them out. 'I can’t even begin to picture how we would deport 11 million people in a few years when we don’t have a police state, where the police can’t break down your door at will and take you away without a warrant,' says Michael Chertoff, head of the Department of Homeland Security under George W. Bush.

"You don’t need imagination to game this out. You need history.

"Right-wingers will call the cops to report their undocumented neighbors. As in Nazi-occupied Europe, anyone with a grudge against someone without a valid I-9 form — resentful ex-boyfriends, etc. — will drop a dime to Trump’s jackbooted thugs..."
Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

11 million and 1. Adios!

Can Trump flip flop on removing 11 million illegals without becoming a one term wonder?
Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People
"Do not take comfort in the fact that Trump flip-flops on all sorts of issues.

"Contrary to his initial, typically strident position on abortion, the master demagogue now says women needn’t fear imprisonment if they terminate their pregnancy (unless he changes his mind again).

"Even his much-ballyhooed Great Wall of Trump along the Mexican border may wind up as half a wall.

"He does this a lot.

"But there’s no way he’ll back away from mass deportations.

"Why are deportations different?

"Radical nativism, as defined by this promise to deport illegal immigrants, every single one of them, defined his campaign from the start.

"It’s why he’s here.

"It’s why he won."

 

[georgephillip]

Neither labor nor capital has any right to cross borders into sovereign people's territories, against the wishes of those sovereign people's wishes.

Every "free trade" agreement I'm aware of requires the free flow of capital regardless of how 99% of affected citizens feel about it:

"This post highlights an issue that gets far too little attention: how the 'free trade' agenda has been used to promote a capital mobility agenda, and why that works to the detriment of ordinary citizens.

"As Ken Rogoff and Carmen Reinhart found in their study of 800 years of financial crises, high international capital flows are strongly correlated with more frequent and severe financial crises.

"A very important BIS paper that has not gotten the attention it deserves, 'Global imbalances and the financial crisis: Link or no link?' Claudio Borio and Piti Disyatat, discusses how the crisis was the direct result of what they call excess financial elasticity.

"That means having a banking system that was way too accommodating to the pet wishes of bank customers. From Andrew Dittmer’s translation of the paper from economese to English."
Free Trade and Unrestricted Capital Flow: How Billionaires Get Rich and Destroy the Rest of Us | naked capitalism

 

[JakeStarkey]

and triple fines of dividends earned during the years of criminal hiring practices by companies would end the problem within two years.

Is that ^^ even constitutional, not to mention practical considering the number of millionaires in the US Congress?

Constitutional, yes, if passed by the appropriate legislatures, and, yes, not likely.

 

[kaz]

In a word, Y-E-S

Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

"Legally, there’s nothing to it.

"Trump doesn’t need an act of Congress.

"He doesn’t even have to sign an executive order.

"All he’ll have to do to set this outrage in motion is pick up the phone and tell the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do his or her job: enforce the law.

"Camps cost money. So do more agents. No problem.

"President Trump can shift his budget priorities in favor of ICE.

"He’s already said he would triple ICE’s enforcement division from 5,000 to 15,000 officers.

"The FBI would have to pitch in."

Sure, the optics of the biggest forced population movement since Stalin would present problems, and it isn't too likely countries of origin would be thrilled about receiving millions of bitter, unemployed new arrivals, but could Trump actually deliver on his promise?

What happens to his administration if he can't?

Living in reality

N-O


he's not stupid enough to yank 11 million paying customers out of our stagnant economy ... as always he's all mouth and no thinking ... he is doing nothing more than keeping his trained idiots foaming at the mouth hoping they will elect him ..

That's right, you can't enforce the law, that would be just wrong

 

[georgephillip]

Correct illegals have Constitutional rights, but they don't have a right to break the law or remain in the US.

How do you feel about the argument that many illegal migrant Americans in the US today have the same right to remain as US blacks had to sit at lunch counters in Alabama sixty years ago?

 

[hazlnut]

In a word, Y-E-S

Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

"Legally, there’s nothing to it.

"Trump doesn’t need an act of Congress.

"He doesn’t even have to sign an executive order.

"All he’ll have to do to set this outrage in motion is pick up the phone and tell the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do his or her job: enforce the law.

"Camps cost money. So do more agents. No problem.

"President Trump can shift his budget priorities in favor of ICE.

"He’s already said he would triple ICE’s enforcement division from 5,000 to 15,000 officers.

"The FBI would have to pitch in."

Sure, the optics of the biggest forced population movement since Stalin would present problems, and it isn't too likely countries of origin would be thrilled about receiving millions of bitter, unemployed new arrivals, but could Trump actually deliver on his promise?

What happens to his administration if he can't?

This is another one of the idiot things Trump says and most people know it's bullshit.

But a good number of his followers aren't bright enough to understand how fucking unthinkable it is.

 

[bripat9643]

Correct illegals have Constitutional rights, but they don't have a right to break the law or remain in the US.

How do you feel about the argument that many illegal migrant Americans in the US today have the same right to remain as US blacks had to sit at lunch counters in Alabama sixty years ago?

That's obvious bullshit. No one has a right to immigrate to this country.

 

[Vandalshandle]

If it wasn't for that pesky constitution, we could just round um up, and ship um out! Or, as I have seen seriously suggested on this board, empower the government to plant land mines all along the border. Sure, it would make the USA pretty much like North Korea, but one has to admit that the North Koreans do not have illegal immigrants!

 

[Contumacious]

I enforced the law for decades asshole.
We are all waiting for you to show in the constitution ANYWHERE that says anyone who has entered the US illegally has ANY constitutional rights.
You can't asshole!
Ever heard the phrase "we are a nation of laws"?

Mall cops don't count, dummy.

You'll find it right next to the place in the Constitution that says you have a right to a computer.

Yes, I've heard the phrase. If you were really a LEO, and I strongly doubt you were unless it was for a day, then you should know it too.

Do Illegal Immigrants Have Constitutional Rights?

While illegal immigrants do not enjoy all of the rights granted to citizens by the Constitution, specifically the rights to vote or possess firearms, these rights can also be denied to U.S. citizens convicted of felonies. In final analysis, the courts have ruled that, while they are within the borders of the United States, illegal immigrants are granted the same fundamental, undeniable constitutional rights granted to all Americans.

I am for open borders.

But our undocumented friends only have those rights which are granted by the state in which they reside. They are NOT supposed to have rights recognized by the US Constitution. Our absolute right to bear arms does NOT depend on the US Constitution for its existence.

 

[bripat9643]

In a word, Y-E-S

Trump Isn’t Bluffing, He’ll Deport 11 Million People

"Legally, there’s nothing to it.

"Trump doesn’t need an act of Congress.

"He doesn’t even have to sign an executive order.

"All he’ll have to do to set this outrage in motion is pick up the phone and tell the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement to do his or her job: enforce the law.

"Camps cost money. So do more agents. No problem.

"President Trump can shift his budget priorities in favor of ICE.

"He’s already said he would triple ICE’s enforcement division from 5,000 to 15,000 officers.

"The FBI would have to pitch in."

Sure, the optics of the biggest forced population movement since Stalin would present problems, and it isn't too likely countries of origin would be thrilled about receiving millions of bitter, unemployed new arrivals, but could Trump actually deliver on his promise?

What happens to his administration if he can't?

This is another one of the idiot things Trump says and most people know it's bullshit.

But a good number of his followers aren't bright enough to understand how fucking unthinkable it is.

It's "unthinkable" only to open borders traitors like you.

 

[bripat9643]

If it wasn't for that pesky constitution, we could just round um up, and ship um out! Or, as I have seen seriously suggested on this board, empower the government to plant land mines all along the border. Sure, it would make the USA pretty much like North Korea, but one has to admit that the North Koreans do not have illegal immigrants!

We don't need to be killing people trying to cross the border, but there's absolutely no reason we can't build a wall.

 

[bripat9643]

If it wasn't for that pesky constitution, we could just round um up, and ship um out! Or, as I have seen seriously suggested on this board, empower the government to plant land mines all along the border. Sure, it would make the USA pretty much like North Korea, but one has to admit that the North Koreans do not have illegal immigrants!

The Constitution doesn't prevent us from rounding them up and sending them back to where they came from.

 

[bripat9643]

and triple fines of dividends earned during the years of criminal hiring practices by companies would end the problem within two years.

Is that ^^ even constitutional, not to mention practical considering the number of millionaires in the US Congress?

Constitutional, yes, if passed by the appropriate legislatures, and, yes, not likely.

The fines currently in place are sufficient if they are enforced. The problem is that Obama doesn't enforce them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That's you opinion, which is wrong.

 

[Contumacious]

If it wasn't for that pesky constitution, we could just round um up, and ship um out! Or, as I have seen seriously suggested on this board, empower the government to plant land mines all along the border. Sure, it would make the USA pretty much like North Korea, but one has to admit that the North Koreans do not have illegal immigrants!

The Constitution doesn't prevent us from rounding them up and sending them back to where they came from.

The US Constitution did NOT grant fedgov the authority to interdict, detain and deport . That Authority was USURPED by racist judges.


.4. _Resolved_, That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the -- day of July, 1798, intituled "An Act concerning aliens," which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force.

Thomas Jefferson

 

[Unkotare]

I enforced the law for decades asshole.
We are all waiting for you to show in the constitution ANYWHERE that says anyone who has entered the US illegally has ANY constitutional rights.
You can't asshole!
Ever heard the phrase "we are a nation of laws"?

Mall cops don't count, dummy.

You'll find it right next to the place in the Constitution that says you have a right to a computer.

Yes, I've heard the phrase. If you were really a LEO, and I strongly doubt you were unless it was for a day, then you should know it too.

Do Illegal Immigrants Have Constitutional Rights?

While illegal immigrants do not enjoy all of the rights granted to citizens by the Constitution, specifically the rights to vote or possess firearms, these rights can also be denied to U.S. citizens convicted of felonies. In final analysis, the courts have ruled that, while they are within the borders of the United States, illegal immigrants are granted the same fundamental, undeniable constitutional rights granted to all Americans.

......our undocumented friends only have those rights which are granted by the state in which they reside. They are NOT supposed to have rights recognized by the US Constitution. ...

Wrong

 

[JakeStarkey]

Contumacious and TJ are wrong.

 

[Contumacious]

I enforced the law for decades asshole.
We are all waiting for you to show in the constitution ANYWHERE that says anyone who has entered the US illegally has ANY constitutional rights.
You can't asshole!
Ever heard the phrase "we are a nation of laws"?

Mall cops don't count, dummy.

You'll find it right next to the place in the Constitution that says you have a right to a computer.

Yes, I've heard the phrase. If you were really a LEO, and I strongly doubt you were unless it was for a day, then you should know it too.

Do Illegal Immigrants Have Constitutional Rights?

While illegal immigrants do not enjoy all of the rights granted to citizens by the Constitution, specifically the rights to vote or possess firearms, these rights can also be denied to U.S. citizens convicted of felonies. In final analysis, the courts have ruled that, while they are within the borders of the United States, illegal immigrants are granted the same fundamental, undeniable constitutional rights granted to all Americans.

......our undocumented friends only have those rights which are granted by the state in which they reside. They are NOT supposed to have rights recognized by the US Constitution. ...

Wrong

Wrong. See post 455

 

[georgephillip]

and triple fines of dividends earned during the years of criminal hiring practices by companies would end the problem within two years.

Is that ^^ even constitutional, not to mention practical considering the number of millionaires in the US Congress?

Constitutional, yes, if passed by the appropriate legislatures, and, yes, not likely.

IMHO, fining shareholders for the sins of their corporations would go a long way toward establishing economic justice in this country. I've also wondered about how a "death tax" on all war-related profits after the first innocent civilian death could make peace more profitable than mass murder?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I enforced the law for decades asshole.
We are all waiting for you to show in the constitution ANYWHERE that says anyone who has entered the US illegally has ANY constitutional rights.
You can't asshole!
Ever heard the phrase "we are a nation of laws"?

Mall cops don't count, dummy.

You'll find it right next to the place in the Constitution that says you have a right to a computer.

Yes, I've heard the phrase. If you were really a LEO, and I strongly doubt you were unless it was for a day, then you should know it too.

Do Illegal Immigrants Have Constitutional Rights?

While illegal immigrants do not enjoy all of the rights granted to citizens by the Constitution, specifically the rights to vote or possess firearms, these rights can also be denied to U.S. citizens convicted of felonies. In final analysis, the courts have ruled that, while they are within the borders of the United States, illegal immigrants are granted the same fundamental, undeniable constitutional rights granted to all Americans.

......our undocumented friends only have those rights which are granted by the state in which they reside. They are NOT supposed to have rights recognized by the US Constitution. ...

Wrong

Wrong. See post 455

Already rebutted.