CDZ Could (actual) Conservatives support this kind of single payer?

[Mark Richard]

If I had an employer to paid for my health insurance, he would be wasting his money because I don't go to the doctor

If you don't eat garbage and live like an animal, although I do construction so I kind of live like an animal half mile waking hours, but you won't need a doctor if you are good to yourself. I am proof of that for the last 20 years at least. May 25 or 30

 

[YoursTruly]

The BLM pantomine is of no interest to me as a Canadian. I only see it as a part of the overall general unrest of many different protest movements that have sprung up in America.

I see them all as moving toward a common cause of elminating bad government and eventual reform.

That reform must become a move toward more 'socially' responsible government. THAT is what is being demanded of all political stripes, even though the right and extremist right don't recognize their struggles as being that yet.

On Jan. 6th., Trump's most avid followers actually declared it to be so when the march on the Capitol became a coup attempt against government. Albeit, a dismally failed attempt due to lack of Trump's leadership to make it happen.

That's some Canadian fake woke BS. Socially responsible government? Sounds like bumper sticker slogan with no real meaning.

 

[YoursTruly]

If you don't eat garbage and live like an animal, although I do construction so I kind of live like an animal half mile waking hours, but you won't need a doctor if you are good to yourself. I am proof of that for the last 20 years at least. May 25 or 30

You're just a regular superman, huh?

 

[Donald H]

That's some Canadian fake woke BS. Socially responsible government? Sounds like bumper sticker slogan with no real meaning.

It means including the missing socialism in America's extremist capitalism. It's not my original idea, it's well known to be what so many Americans are fighting over. Health care is one of the big issues but so is police brutality against blacks and racism in general.

Government can fix the problems but bad government needs to be eliminated and then reformed first.

 

[YoursTruly]

Government can fix the problems but bad government needs to be eliminated and then reformed first.

Our country isn't a racist country, nor are most of our police. Regardless of what the news, politicians and these groups say.
One reason why a lot of folks don't want the government taking over health care, is because of the politicians themselves. They're very untrustworthy.
But they're not going to be replaced. When these politicians get replaced, they're replaced by a republican or democrat. And we end up with nothing different than what got replaced.

 

[Donald H]

Our country isn't a racist country, nor are most of our police. Regardless of what the news, politicians and these groups say.

I have to disagree. America has a huge race problem due to the shoddy treatment of blacks. Attitudes of the 60's are coming back.

One reason why a lot of folks don't want the government taking over health care, is because of the politicians themselves. They're very untrustworthy.

That's what I've been saying and you've already been agreeing with.

But they're not going to be replaced. When these politicians get replaced, they're replaced by a republican or democrat. And we end up with nothing different than what got replaced.

Yes, you've said the same thing again. It's bad government but apparently you don't accept that social (socialist) change is needed. I think it's because you don't like the word 'socialist'. That's common to most Americans.
Think it over carefully and I think you'll come to understand that it's what you're all asking for in government. Pretty close to what Bernie has been preaching.

 

[dblack]

Our country isn't a racist country, nor are most of our police.

I used to think we were pretty bad. Before I went to China. We certainly have racists skulking about, but they're pretty overt about it there - and general xenophobia is encouraged by the CCP.

 

[Donald H]

I used to think we were pretty bad. Before I went to China. We certainly have racists skulking about, but they're pretty overt about it there - and general xenophobia is encouraged by the CCP.

Americans must learn to not make comparisons of their country to other countries that aren't the world's leading democracies.
With that comparison, America is still pretty bad, but getting worse. It could spiral out of control with gun violence on the street between rightwing extremist whites and blacks.
Trump will use that as a wedge issue if he gets the chance.

 

[dblack]

Americans must learn to not make comparisons of their country to other countries that aren't the world's leading democracies.

Why?

With that comparison, America is still pretty bad, but getting worse. It could spiral out of control with gun violence on the street between rightwing extremist whites and blacks.
Trump will use that as a wedge issue if he gets the chance.

Yeah. We have to flush Trump and his minions, or our country is failing fast.

 

[YoursTruly]

Americans must learn to not make comparisons of their country to other countries that aren't the world's leading democracies.
With that comparison, America is still pretty bad, but getting worse. It could spiral out of control with gun violence on the street between rightwing extremist whites and blacks.
Trump will use that as a wedge issue if he gets the chance.

The only thing getting worse about racism in this country is the rhetoric.

 

[YoursTruly]

It means including the missing socialism in America's extremist capitalism. It's not my original idea, it's well known to be what so many Americans are fighting over. Health care is one of the big issues but so is police brutality against blacks and racism in general.

Government can fix the problems but bad government needs to be eliminated and then reformed first.

Lmao. "Police brutality against blacks?" It's ok if they're beating up whites, Mexican and Asian. But not blacks, huh?
You don't realize how racist your remark is, do you?

 

[Donald H]

Lmao. "Police brutality against blacks?" It's ok if they're beating up whites, Mexican and Asian. But not blacks, huh?
You don't realize how racist your remark is, do you?

Perhaps I should have said non-whites as you suggest?
We're not disagreeing on much even though you still want to be disagreeable. That's because of your feelings of national pride.

 

[Donald H]

The only thing getting worse about racism in this country is the rhetoric.

Yes, that's what racism is to begin with, then it graduates to taking action in the style of the Klan.

 

[Mark Richard]

You're just a regular superman, huh?

I do construction, so I guess I'm healthier than a person that sits at a desk. I have no idea. Just a hunch

 

[sakinago]

Fighting against a single payer system is nothing more than fighting in favor of health insurance companies. Who constantly screw the medical professionals out of a lot of money.

Wrong...Why are you deliberately excluding the notion of paying out-of-pocket?

Yeah I don’t understand this argument either. Are we somehow getting screwed by car insurance companies by paying for it? Same with house insurance?

 

[YoursTruly]

Yeah I don’t understand this argument either. Are we somehow getting screwed by car insurance companies by paying for it? Same with house insurance?

It's hard to compare health insurance with any kind of other insurance. Especially when the health insurance companies are getting subsidies from the government like they are now. Low income people who pay nothing for their health insurance, their health insurance company is getting over $1000 per month from the government.

 

[Mark Richard]

Yeah I don’t understand this argument either. Are we somehow getting screwed by car insurance companies by paying for it? Same with house insurance?

That's the truth. They make lots of money off us. Or maybe they use your money to pay for the daily house fires on the east side of Chicago. It cost a lot to put plywood over the windows of broken down houses

 

[dblack]

It's hard to compare health insurance with any kind of other insurance. Especially when the health insurance companies are getting subsidies from the government like they are now. Low income people who pay nothing for their health insurance, their health insurance company is getting over $1000 per month from the government.

So, it turns out ACA was a scheme for funneling taxpayer dollars to the insurance industry. Imagine that.

 

[sakinago]

That's the truth. They make lots of money off us. Or maybe they use your money to pay for the daily house fires on the east side of Chicago. It cost a lot to put plywood over the windows of broken down houses

No, the difference between say house and car insurance vs health is that house and car insurance companies actually use risk pools, so that the responsible well kept houses/drivers aren’t paying for the dangerous drivers. I could agree that pre ACA insurance companies were playing fast and loose with the pre existing conditions. However, the solution was to better define it and come up with a safety net (which basically already existed, just could use improvements) instead of destroying risk pools completely. All that did was push the cost onto the middle class. People want to pretend that Obamacare was a compassionate piece of legislature. It wasn’t, it was just pushing off financial responsibility to the middle class. It took the worst of single payer and free market and rolled it into 1.

 

[ESay]

don't understand why republicans and most conservatives can't support a single payer system, ran by medical professionals. Although I do understand them not wanting it ran by our government. That's understandable

What you are proposing here is establishment of a private monopoly in the medical field. That will dictate prices and the terms on everything.