Costs derail Vermont's dream of a single-payer health plan(Flash back)

[Bo Didleysquat]

Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom all provide universal health care.

So it isn't impossible. And none of them have turned into Venezuela.

If you want to provide Universal Health Care then be honest with the American people about how much it will cost them and what their level of services will be once it's implemented. In other words...stop lying to them!

Less than the predatory system we have now. If the masses will get off their own asses and engage in due diligence this nonsense will be shown to be what it is, gaslighting.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It failed in the only state where it has been tried. Do you imagine the fake news media will cover this story?

Costs derail Vermont’s dream of a single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

For decades, liberal activists yearned for a European-style, single-payer health system that they argued would lead to more affordable, efficient, and comprehensive medical coverage for all citizens. When Vermont four years ago enacted a landmark bill to establish the nation’s first single-payer health care system, they saw their long-sought dream about to be fulfilled.

But reality hit last month. Governor Peter Shumlin released a financial report that showed the cost of the program would nearly double the size of the state’s budget in the first year alone and require large tax increases for residents and businesses. ---SNIP--- In short, if a liberal state electing a Socialist (US Senator Bernie Sanders) to Congress can’t or won’t put a single-payer system into place, then who will?​

It didn't "fail," it was never enacted. Another misleading thread from you.

Are you really that determined to ignore reality?
Clearly...three times in fact, the OP makes it plain the system was NOT enacted due to unrealized cost increases once further study was done.
And instead of answer that, you want to try and marginalize the thread by inventing a fallacy that isn't there.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

It didn't "fail," it was never enacted. Another misleading thread from you.

It was never enacted because it was totally unfeasible, Old Lady! Do you want to double the budget? Vermont didn't. Neither will citizens of the United States!

Not if concentrated capital has anything to say about it. Fock the people.

Oh, you think the American public is going to go along with a plan that doubles the budget? Really, Bo? Good luck with that! I hate to break it to you but MOST Americans aren't as clueless with it comes to economic issues as you obviously are!

Go look at your endless global war machine, "cost" is absolutely irrelevant. Same with redistributing ever more societal wealth to our pedophile aristocracy which the public allowed to patronage Epstein's/Maxwell's child sex trafficking operation for decades..

When faced with an argument you can't refute...fall back on posting gobbledygook, Bo? Is that the plan? LOL

You can just not deal with what was said, yes, go ahead if you must.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

It failed in the only state where it has been tried. Do you imagine the fake news media will cover this story?

Costs derail Vermont’s dream of a single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

For decades, liberal activists yearned for a European-style, single-payer health system that they argued would lead to more affordable, efficient, and comprehensive medical coverage for all citizens. When Vermont four years ago enacted a landmark bill to establish the nation’s first single-payer health care system, they saw their long-sought dream about to be fulfilled.

But reality hit last month. Governor Peter Shumlin released a financial report that showed the cost of the program would nearly double the size of the state’s budget in the first year alone and require large tax increases for residents and businesses. ---SNIP--- In short, if a liberal state electing a Socialist (US Senator Bernie Sanders) to Congress can’t or won’t put a single-payer system into place, then who will?​

It didn't "fail," it was never enacted. Another misleading thread from you.

Are you really that determined to ignore reality?
Clearly...three times in fact, the OP makes it plain the system was NOT enacted due to unrealized cost increases once further study was done.
And instead of answer that, you want to try and marginalize the thread by inventing a fallacy that isn't there.

So all this shit of a thread over a study, that sums it up nicely.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It failed in the only state where it has been tried. Do you imagine the fake news media will cover this story?

Costs derail Vermont’s dream of a single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

For decades, liberal activists yearned for a European-style, single-payer health system that they argued would lead to more affordable, efficient, and comprehensive medical coverage for all citizens. When Vermont four years ago enacted a landmark bill to establish the nation’s first single-payer health care system, they saw their long-sought dream about to be fulfilled.

But reality hit last month. Governor Peter Shumlin released a financial report that showed the cost of the program would nearly double the size of the state’s budget in the first year alone and require large tax increases for residents and businesses. ---SNIP--- In short, if a liberal state electing a Socialist (US Senator Bernie Sanders) to Congress can’t or won’t put a single-payer system into place, then who will?​

It didn't "fail," it was never enacted. Another misleading thread from you.

Are you really that determined to ignore reality?
Clearly...three times in fact, the OP makes it plain the system was NOT enacted due to unrealized cost increases once further study was done.
And instead of answer that, you want to try and marginalize the thread by inventing a fallacy that isn't there.

So all this shit of a thread over a study, that sums it up nicely.

Another fail thread derailment.
A study done by people who were IN FAVOR of UHC in Vermont.
Once again, instead of addressing the thread - in comes the shit brigade and attempt to derail it.

 

[g5000]

Life expectancy USA: 78.69 years.

Life expectancy Australia: 82.50 years.

Life expectancy Canada: 82.30 years.

Life expectancy Finland: 81.78 years.

Life expectancy France: 82.27 years.

Life expectancy Germany: 80.64 years.

Life expectancy Hungary: 75.57 years.

Life expectancy Iceland: 82.47 years.

Life expectancy Israel: 82.41 years.

Life expectancy Ireland: 81.61 years.

Life expectancy the Netherlands: 81.51 years.

Life expectancy New Zealand: 81.61 years.

Life expectancy Norway: 82.51 years.

Life expectancy Portugal: 81.13 years.

Life expectancy the Slovak Republic: 76.56 years.

Life expectancy Slovenia: 80.78 years.

Life expectancy Sweden: 82.20 years.

Life expectancy Switzerland: 82.90 years.

Life expectancy United Kingdom: 80.96 years.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

It failed in the only state where it has been tried. Do you imagine the fake news media will cover this story?

Costs derail Vermont’s dream of a single-payer health plan - The Boston Globe

For decades, liberal activists yearned for a European-style, single-payer health system that they argued would lead to more affordable, efficient, and comprehensive medical coverage for all citizens. When Vermont four years ago enacted a landmark bill to establish the nation’s first single-payer health care system, they saw their long-sought dream about to be fulfilled.

But reality hit last month. Governor Peter Shumlin released a financial report that showed the cost of the program would nearly double the size of the state’s budget in the first year alone and require large tax increases for residents and businesses. ---SNIP--- In short, if a liberal state electing a Socialist (US Senator Bernie Sanders) to Congress can’t or won’t put a single-payer system into place, then who will?​

It didn't "fail," it was never enacted. Another misleading thread from you.

Are you really that determined to ignore reality?
Clearly...three times in fact, the OP makes it plain the system was NOT enacted due to unrealized cost increases once further study was done.
And instead of answer that, you want to try and marginalize the thread by inventing a fallacy that isn't there.

So all this shit of a thread over a study, that sums it up nicely.

Another fail thread derailment.
A study done by people who were IN FAVOR of UHC in Vermont.
Once again, instead of addressing the thread - in comes the shit brigade and attempt to derail it.

What thread? This one with a false topic?

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Life expectancy USA: 78.69 years.

Life expectancy Australia: 82.50 years.

Life expectancy Canada: 82.30 years.

Life expectancy Finland: 81.78 years.

Life expectancy France: 82.27 years.

Life expectancy Germany: 80.64 years.

Life expectancy Hungary: 75.57 years.

Life expectancy Iceland: 82.47 years.

Life expectancy Israel: 82.41 years.

Life expectancy Ireland: 81.61 years.

Life expectancy the Netherlands: 81.51 years.

Life expectancy New Zealand: 81.61 years.

Life expectancy Norway: 82.51 years.

Life expectancy Portugal: 81.13 years.

Life expectancy the Slovak Republic: 76.56 years.

Life expectancy Slovenia: 80.78 years.

Life expectancy Sweden: 82.20 years.

Life expectancy Switzerland: 82.90 years.

Life expectancy United Kingdom: 80.96 years.

A simple google search such as "healthcare system ranking by country" opens up a terrifying world which is to be avoided at all costs lest the sloganeering lose it's tenuous hold on perceptual reality.

 

[g5000]

Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom all provide universal health care.

So it isn't impossible. And none of them have turned into Venezuela.

If you want to provide Universal Health Care then be honest with the American people about how much it will cost them and what their level of services will be once it's implemented. In other words...stop lying to them!

It is amusing to hear Trump supporters demanding honesty and facts about the cost of health care plans.

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

You're gonna love my health care plan, bleev me. It will be terrific. ObamaCare is a disaster. Total. Disaster. I can't wait to run this guy out of town on a rail, folks. (cheers, applause, hoots) Won't it be great? No more Obama! (yeehaws, applause) You're gonna get tired of winning. My beautiful health care plan will cure cancer. It will pay for my daughter's fake tits. And no Mexicans will ever be able to get insurance again! (wild stomping, cheers) We are going to build more hospitals, more clinics, hire more doctors, and hot nurses, I promised hot nurses didn't I? (laughter) Yeah! I love nurses. Sometimes I wish I was as sick as Hillary so I could visit some nurses, you know what I mean? (laughter, applause, "locker up! locker up!") You got that right! Locker up!

And that's my health care plan, folks. What do you think? Do you love it? (applause, cheers, whistles, music) It's beautiful! Beautiful.

 

[Oldstyle]

It was never enacted because it was totally unfeasible, Old Lady! Do you want to double the budget? Vermont didn't. Neither will citizens of the United States!

Not if concentrated capital has anything to say about it. Fock the people.

Oh, you think the American public is going to go along with a plan that doubles the budget? Really, Bo? Good luck with that! I hate to break it to you but MOST Americans aren't as clueless with it comes to economic issues as you obviously are!

Go look at your endless global war machine, "cost" is absolutely irrelevant. Same with redistributing ever more societal wealth to our pedophile aristocracy which the public allowed to patronage Epstein's/Maxwell's child sex trafficking operation for decades..

When faced with an argument you can't refute...fall back on posting gobbledygook, Bo? Is that the plan? LOL

You can just not deal with what was said, yes, go ahead if you must.

If you have a valid argument...clear, concise language is the way to get that across...when your argument is flailing badly...the best way to hide that fact is to throw a lot of extraneous bullshit like "global war machine" and "pedophile aristocracy" out there and hope nobody realizes you can't back up your contentions! I'm always amused by people like you, Bo!

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom all provide universal health care.

So it isn't impossible. And none of them have turned into Venezuela.

If you want to provide Universal Health Care then be honest with the American people about how much it will cost them and what their level of services will be once it's implemented. In other words...stop lying to them!

It is amusing to hear Trump supporters demanding honesty and facts about the cost of health care plans.

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

You're gonna love my health care plan, bleev me. It will be terrific. ObamaCare is a disaster. Total. Disaster. I can't wait to run this guy out of town on a rail, folks. (cheers, applause, hoots) Won't it be great? No more Obama! (yeehaws, applause) You're gonna get tired of winning. My beautiful health care plan will cure cancer. It will pay for my daughter's fake tits. And no Mexicans will ever be able to get insurance again! (wild stomping, cheers) We are going to build more hospitals, more clinics, hire more doctors, and hot nurses, I promised hot nurses didn't I? (laughter) Yeah! I love nurses. Sometimes I wish I was as sick as Hillary so I could visit some nurses, you know what I mean? (laughter, applause, "locker up! locker up!") You got that right! Locker up!

And that's my health care plan, folks. What do you think? Do you love it? (applause, cheers, whistles, music) It's beautiful! Beautiful.

No kidding, a revue of Don's healthcare campaign promises will once again reveal him to me the carnival barker Epstein supplied pedophile he is. Oh he insists everyone will be covered. Majorities in both houses his first two years, zero legislation. Nada, not even proposed.
Oddly enough, same for immigration. Gee, how odd.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Not if concentrated capital has anything to say about it. Fock the people.

Oh, you think the American public is going to go along with a plan that doubles the budget? Really, Bo? Good luck with that! I hate to break it to you but MOST Americans aren't as clueless with it comes to economic issues as you obviously are!

Go look at your endless global war machine, "cost" is absolutely irrelevant. Same with redistributing ever more societal wealth to our pedophile aristocracy which the public allowed to patronage Epstein's/Maxwell's child sex trafficking operation for decades..

When faced with an argument you can't refute...fall back on posting gobbledygook, Bo? Is that the plan? LOL

You can just not deal with what was said, yes, go ahead if you must.

If you have a valid argument...clear, concise language is the way to get that across...when your argument is flailing badly...the best way to hide that fact is to throw a lot of extraneous bullshit like "global war machine" and "pedophile aristocracy" out there and hope nobody realizes you can't back up your contentions! I'm always amused by people like you, Bo!

Whatever allows you to avoid a discussion.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Life expectancy USA: 78.69 years.

Life expectancy Australia: 82.50 years.

Life expectancy Canada: 82.30 years.

Life expectancy Finland: 81.78 years.

Life expectancy France: 82.27 years.

Life expectancy Germany: 80.64 years.

Life expectancy Hungary: 75.57 years.

Life expectancy Iceland: 82.47 years.

Life expectancy Israel: 82.41 years.

Life expectancy Ireland: 81.61 years.

Life expectancy the Netherlands: 81.51 years.

Life expectancy New Zealand: 81.61 years.

Life expectancy Norway: 82.51 years.

Life expectancy Portugal: 81.13 years.

Life expectancy the Slovak Republic: 76.56 years.

Life expectancy Slovenia: 80.78 years.

Life expectancy Sweden: 82.20 years.

Life expectancy Switzerland: 82.90 years.

Life expectancy United Kingdom: 80.96 years.

Now let's talk about diet.

 

[g5000]

Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom all provide universal health care.

So it isn't impossible. And none of them have turned into Venezuela.

If you want to provide Universal Health Care then be honest with the American people about how much it will cost them and what their level of services will be once it's implemented. In other words...stop lying to them!

It is amusing to hear Trump supporters demanding honesty and facts about the cost of health care plans.

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

You're gonna love my health care plan, bleev me. It will be terrific. ObamaCare is a disaster. Total. Disaster. I can't wait to run this guy out of town on a rail, folks. (cheers, applause, hoots) Won't it be great? No more Obama! (yeehaws, applause) You're gonna get tired of winning. My beautiful health care plan will cure cancer. It will pay for my daughter's fake tits. And no Mexicans will ever be able to get insurance again! (wild stomping, cheers) We are going to build more hospitals, more clinics, hire more doctors, and hot nurses, I promised hot nurses didn't I? (laughter) Yeah! I love nurses. Sometimes I wish I was as sick as Hillary so I could visit some nurses, you know what I mean? (laughter, applause, "locker up! locker up!") You got that right! Locker up!

And that's my health care plan, folks. What do you think? Do you love it? (applause, cheers, whistles, music) It's beautiful! Beautiful.

No kidding, a revue of Don's healthcare campaign promises will once again reveal him to me the carnival barker Epstein supplied pedophile he is. Oh he insists everyone will be covered. Majorities in both houses his first two years, zero legislation. Nada, not even proposed.
Oddly enough, same for immigration. Gee, how odd.

I never once heard a Trump supporter demand to see the details of his health care plan.

Not. Once.

Ever.

And whenever I asked them for the details of his plan, they got pissed or just ran.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Life expectancy USA: 78.69 years.

Life expectancy Australia: 82.50 years.

Life expectancy Canada: 82.30 years.

Life expectancy Finland: 81.78 years.

Life expectancy France: 82.27 years.

Life expectancy Germany: 80.64 years.

Life expectancy Hungary: 75.57 years.

Life expectancy Iceland: 82.47 years.

Life expectancy Israel: 82.41 years.

Life expectancy Ireland: 81.61 years.

Life expectancy the Netherlands: 81.51 years.

Life expectancy New Zealand: 81.61 years.

Life expectancy Norway: 82.51 years.

Life expectancy Portugal: 81.13 years.

Life expectancy the Slovak Republic: 76.56 years.

Life expectancy Slovenia: 80.78 years.

Life expectancy Sweden: 82.20 years.

Life expectancy Switzerland: 82.90 years.

Life expectancy United Kingdom: 80.96 years.

Now let's talk about diet.

A corporatized big agribusiness, subsidized via socialism, food supply is not healthy we know.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom all provide universal health care.

So it isn't impossible. And none of them have turned into Venezuela.

If you want to provide Universal Health Care then be honest with the American people about how much it will cost them and what their level of services will be once it's implemented. In other words...stop lying to them!

It is amusing to hear Trump supporters demanding honesty and facts about the cost of health care plans.

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

You're gonna love my health care plan, bleev me. It will be terrific. ObamaCare is a disaster. Total. Disaster. I can't wait to run this guy out of town on a rail, folks. (cheers, applause, hoots) Won't it be great? No more Obama! (yeehaws, applause) You're gonna get tired of winning. My beautiful health care plan will cure cancer. It will pay for my daughter's fake tits. And no Mexicans will ever be able to get insurance again! (wild stomping, cheers) We are going to build more hospitals, more clinics, hire more doctors, and hot nurses, I promised hot nurses didn't I? (laughter) Yeah! I love nurses. Sometimes I wish I was as sick as Hillary so I could visit some nurses, you know what I mean? (laughter, applause, "locker up! locker up!") You got that right! Locker up!

And that's my health care plan, folks. What do you think? Do you love it? (applause, cheers, whistles, music) It's beautiful! Beautiful.

No kidding, a revue of Don's healthcare campaign promises will once again reveal him to me the carnival barker Epstein supplied pedophile he is. Oh he insists everyone will be covered. Majorities in both houses his first two years, zero legislation. Nada, not even proposed.
Oddly enough, same for immigration. Gee, how odd.

I never once heard a Trump supporter demand to see the details of his health care plan.

Not. Once.

Ever.

And whenever I asked them for the details of his plan, they got pissed or just ran.

Which indicates that there is an awareness of some sort, even if only on a primordial hind brain level.

 

[Leo123]

Life expectancy USA: 78.69 years.

Life expectancy Australia: 82.50 years.

Life expectancy Canada: 82.30 years.

Life expectancy Finland: 81.78 years.

Life expectancy France: 82.27 years.

Life expectancy Germany: 80.64 years.

Life expectancy Hungary: 75.57 years.

Life expectancy Iceland: 82.47 years.

Life expectancy Israel: 82.41 years.

Life expectancy Ireland: 81.61 years.

Life expectancy the Netherlands: 81.51 years.

Life expectancy New Zealand: 81.61 years.

Life expectancy Norway: 82.51 years.

Life expectancy Portugal: 81.13 years.

Life expectancy the Slovak Republic: 76.56 years.

Life expectancy Slovenia: 80.78 years.

Life expectancy Sweden: 82.20 years.

Life expectancy Switzerland: 82.90 years.

Life expectancy United Kingdom: 80.96 years.

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"The United States, the world’s top food exporter, shipped over $139.5 billion in agricultural products abroad in 2018, a $1.5 billion increase over 2017."


"That’s good news for both American farmers and the nations who import high-quality, safe and reliable U.S. agricultural products and so can provide enough food for their entire populations."

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We must be sending all the 'good food' overseas I guess?

 

[bripat9643]

They all love how socialism funds the military.

Capitalism funds everything in this country. If the Private Sector doesn't pay for it...then the cost is simply added to the debt!

Horseshit, your military runs on socialism. And Wall Street runs to socialism when it tanks "capitalism".

You don't even know what socialism is...do you, Bo? Our military runs on taxes the same as all other government programs...taxes that are paid by the Private Sector. If it were socialism that paid for the military then the government would control the means of production...which they DON'T! Duh?

That's about as deranged as "Capitalism funds everything in this country".

That's a simple fact, moron.

Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom all provide universal health care.

So it isn't impossible. And none of them have turned into Venezuela.

Check out the taxes they pay, moron. Furthermore, the vast majority of the drugs they use were invented in the USA. If the USA goes down, then so does all new drug development.

 

[bripat9643]

Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom all provide universal health care.

So it isn't impossible. And none of them have turned into Venezuela.

If you want to provide Universal Health Care then be honest with the American people about how much it will cost them and what their level of services will be once it's implemented. In other words...stop lying to them!

Less than the predatory system we have now. If the masses will get off their own asses and engage in due diligence this nonsense will be shown to be what it is, gaslighting.

"The masses" not doing their due diligence is what douchebags like you are counting on.

 

[g5000]

Australia, Canada, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, the Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom all provide universal health care.

So it isn't impossible. And none of them have turned into Venezuela.

If you want to provide Universal Health Care then be honest with the American people about how much it will cost them and what their level of services will be once it's implemented. In other words...stop lying to them!

Less than the predatory system we have now. If the masses will get off their own asses and engage in due diligence this nonsense will be shown to be what it is, gaslighting.

"The masses" not doing their due diligence is what douchebags like you are counting on.

Hilarious irony!

How many times did I ask you to show me Trump's health care plan? You dumb shits never once demanded Trump show his plan.

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."