Cost of Bakhmut ‘meat grinder’ battle on Russian army revealed

Right, Prigozhin says there is a critical ammo shortage, but you claim to have better intel than he does. Do you have any idea how crazy that is?
If there is a shortage, why the Ukrainian soldiers say something different? You just want to believe your propaganda.

Listen to him, carefully this time. Also look at his POWs, the young and the old are forced to die in Bakhmut.
 
If there is a shortage, why the Ukrainian soldiers say something different? You just want to believe your propaganda.

Listen to him, carefully this time. Also look at his POWs, the young and the old are forced to die in Bakhmut.
Are you nuts? I'm not saying it, Prigozhin is. One day he says Bakhmu is almost surrounded and two days later he says he is so short on ammunition Wagner may have to withdraw from Bakhmut and that will cause the whole Russian frontline to collapse and maybe cause Russia to lose the war. You choose to accept his statement about surrounding the Ukrainians because you like it but dismiss his statement about a critical shortage of ammunition because you don't like it. You are simply not behaving rationally.
 
Right, Prigozhin says there is a critical ammo shortage, but you claim to have better intel than he does. Do you have any idea how crazy that is?
Prigozhin commands Wagner, not the Russian military. He's a drama queen that expects Russian high command to do his bidding. Russian high command might hang him out to dry and mop up afterwards. None of that changes the fact Ukraine cannot hold.
 
Prigozhin commands Wagner, not the Russian military. He's a drama queen that expects Russian high command to do his bidding. Russian high command might hang him out to dry and mop up afterwards. None of that changes the fact Ukraine cannot hold.
First off Ukraine is holding.

Wagner Group is the only part of the Russian frontline that has made any progress so if there was plenty of ammunition it would make no sense for the amounts promised to Wagner not to be delivered. The Russians are attacking fortified positions so when the infantry goes in they will suffer very high casualties and if there is not a very significant artillery barrage first, there is no hope of moving the frontline.
 
First off Ukraine is holding.

Wagner Group is the only part of the Russian frontline that has made any progress so if there was plenty of ammunition it would make no sense for the amounts promised to Wagner not to be delivered. The Russians are attacking fortified positions so when the infantry goes in they will suffer very high casualties and if there is not a very significant artillery barrage first, there is no hope of moving the frontline.
Wagner are mercenaries, the Russian military doesn't care or count how many men they lose. You folks have been counting everything as Russian military from the start, when in fact there have been multiple entities involved all along. The LPR and DPR did brunt of the frontline fighting in the beginning of the special military operation, yet the West counted them as Russian military. You've been lied to from day one.
 
Are you nuts? I'm not saying it, Prigozhin is. One day he says Bakhmu is almost surrounded and two days later he says he is so short on ammunition Wagner may have to withdraw from Bakhmut and that will cause the whole Russian frontline to collapse and maybe cause Russia to lose the war. You choose to accept his statement about surrounding the Ukrainians because you like it but dismiss his statement about a critical shortage of ammunition because you don't like it. You are simply not behaving rationally.
Fake News media took an old statement of him or whatever. So, you keep ignoring the first hand reports from Bakhmut like an idiot.
Russia is now in possession of the entire eastern Bakhmut.
 
Except doesn't send anyone into battle. Suckered by too much Russian propaganda you fool.

 
Well, I just fell over Prigozhin´s statements. He actually said, they still get no ammo. He also said Wagner killed 11.000 Ukrainian soldiers in February. As a private company, they have to care for their own materials, right? You can´t kill 11K without ammo, period. It just means they got no ammo from the military.
In the result, fake news media picked the part they like and ignored the rest. They are the fake news gurus that wanted you to believe something that is not true.
 
Wagner are mercenaries, the Russian military doesn't care or count how many men they lose. You folks have been counting everything as Russian military from the start, when in fact there have been multiple entities involved all along. The LPR and DPR did brunt of the frontline fighting in the beginning of the special military operation, yet the West counted them as Russian military. You've been lied to from day one.
A distinction without a difference. They are all bent on the same goal of the destruction of the nation of Ukraine. They are all armed by Russia and all must abide by rules set by Russia.
 
Fake News media took an old statement of him or whatever. So, you keep ignoring the first hand reports from Bakhmut like an idiot.
Russia is now in possession of the entire eastern Bakhmut.
Over and over again you post the same message, that you will only believe information that is favorable to Russia and you will label anything unfavorable to Russia as fake news. So Prigozhin makes a statement that is favorable to Russia, that he will encircle Ukrainian forces at Bakhmut, and you accept it as true, but when he makes a statement unfavorable to Russia, you label it as fake news. It's the same message over and over again from you. Save yourself the trouble of typing out posts and just post ditto marks instead.
 
Over and over again you post the same message, that you will only believe information that is favorable to Russia and you will label anything unfavorable to Russia as fake news. So Prigozhin makes a statement that is favorable to Russia, that he will encircle Ukrainian forces at Bakhmut, and you accept it as true, but when he makes a statement unfavorable to Russia, you label it as fake news. It's the same message over and over again from you. Save yourself the trouble of typing out posts and just post ditto marks instead.
You have his whole statement now which proves its fake news. Its on ignore in your list?
 
You have his whole statement now which proves its fake news. Its on ignore in your list?
Again, you accept his first statement that Bakhmut is almost surrouded, because it is what you want to hear, but refuse to accept his second statement that the whole Russian colonial enterprise in Ukraine might fail because Russia is unable to provide adequate ammo to frontline troops because it is not what you want to hear. Again, just post ditto marks.
 
Again, you accept his first statement that Bakhmut is almost surrouded, because it is what you want to hear, but refuse to accept his second statement that the whole Russian colonial enterprise in Ukraine might fail because Russia is unable to provide adequate ammo to frontline troops because it is not what you want to hear. Again, just post ditto marks.
Again, I posted his whole statement, why don´t you read it instead of making stuff up?
 
Russia has lost an estimated five men for every Ukrainian soldier its forces have killed in the battle for Bakhmut, according to a Nato official.

Speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, the official said that Nato intelligence showed that Russia’s losses in the assault on the eastern salt-mining town far outweighed Ukraine’s.

The official also said, however, that Ukraine’s losses defending the city were significant.

Russia’s use of costly wave attacks have prompted comparisons to the First World War and the commander of the mercenary forces leading the assault has described the battle as a “meat grinder” for Russian troops.

Russia has been assaulting Bakhut since August, in what has become the longest and costliest battle of the war.


Clearly, Russia has lost the battle for Bakhmut.
Russia in near complete control of a vital strategically located city, but you estimate that with another $3Billion US dollar Zelen$ky can be on next years Forbes 400....hmmmmmkay
 
A distinction without a difference. They are all bent on the same goal of the destruction of the nation of Ukraine. They are all armed by Russia and all must abide by rules set by Russia.
False, a distinction that matters. Losses incurred by mercenaries, the DPR, and LPR are not Russian regulars, so attributing their losses as Russians only serves the purpose of liars and propagandists with false attempts to denigrate the Russian military without cause. Mercenaries are responsible for their own supplies, they do not draw off the national supply chain, you'd have to check how the DPR and LPR do things. Claiming they are all one thing is just ignorant.
 

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