Conversion Therapy Crusader Has Something To Say: He's Gay

[deanrd]

The only thing that’s changed in the relationship between gay people and the Republican Party is the Republicans are no longer publicly stating how much they hate gay people. Now they do it behind the scenes. I guess you could call that progress........of a sort.

 

[martybegan]

Oh, and...

Research on the long term effects on brain development is limited, but a 2015 study published in Psychoneuroendocrinology observed the executive functioning in 20 transgender youth treated with puberty blockers compared to untreated youth with gender dysphoria and found that there was no difference in performance.[16][17][18][5]

20?

If I designed a wastewater plant based on 20 samples I would be fired.

Got ANYTHING to the contrary?

You are the one trying to affirm a positive position, i.e. It does no harm. The burden of proof is on you.

 

[martybegan]

But giving them hormones to suppress puberty if they have gender issues is OK?

Be consistent please.

Blockers don't cause long term psychological harm. There are no teenagers breaking down the doors demanding access to conversion therapy anywhere. There are teens who will do anything to get the blockers.

Judge gives grandparents custody of Ohio transgender teen - CNN

You have no evidence that they cause no long term harm, because there is no long term use data in sufficient quantity.

There are teens willing to do anything to get heroin, does that mean we should indulge them?

Just admit the left's hypocrisy on this.

Heroin is not legal, Mr. Strawman. If there are teens trying to kill themselves because their parents won't let them go to conversion therapy, there should be a parental consent form.

Again, you are dodging the question. Why is hormone therapy OK and conversion therapy not?

Why is gender fluid and sexuality not?

One is proven to be harmful, one is not. Doctors recommend blockers, they don't recommend conversion therapy.

Some doctors do, some doctors don't. Stop trying to claim "all' doctors do, which is what you are implying.

And again, you didn't answer my question. Why is gender fluid and sexuality not?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Oh please, drama queen. We’re far less “depraved” now than we were 1000, 500, 200 or even 100 years ago. Depraved was owning people. Depraved was girls forced into marriage at a young age and then having no rights. It was blacks and women denied the right to vote and segregation. Those were depraved times.

Yes, idiot. Those were bad things. However, what is happening now is even worse. Less than a hundred years ago millions of people were slaughtered while the world stood by and did nothing until it was too late. That tragedy makes your depravity seem pitifully lame. We still have arranged marriages, mostly in Islam, but you and your pals wouldn't dare speak out against that in fear of offending muslims. It was Democrats that denied blacks and women the vote. Democrats opposed the 14th amendment. The MAN that wrote the 19th amendment, a Republican. Dumb ass. I love it when idiots like you bring up slavery and suffrage because it allows me to show the truth of what happened. Thanks, dumb ass.
Suffrage - Women in the GOP

Holy shit dude! You are getting increasing bizarre ,You are all over the map here in a pathetic attempt to avoid the subject of conversion therapy and anti gay bias. Alluding to the holocaust? ? Arranged marriages and Islam? Seriously? Democrats opposing the 14th amendment and women's suffrage? Get a fucking grip! That was a different Democratic party and is totally off topic here .

The irony is that you fucking conservatives-No reactionaries is a better word- continually denigrate women, play Muslims off against gays ,and often claim that the 14th was not legally ratified and/ or does not apply to state laws. Think about that! Got any more red herring logical fallacies to hide behind?

The fact is that that greatest depravity facing us now is your brand of bigotry and ignorance, and the use of religion as a weapon to justify discrimination as you do . Your desperation is pathetic.

You should tell your girlfriend she is off topic, she brought it up. Own your party's history.
Is conversion therapy voluntary?

Not for those under 18 forced by their parents. 18 states and DC have laws prohibiting parents from torturing their children in such a fashion.

If you're over 18 though, sure you should be able to torture yourself.

If you're under 18 you belong to your parents, not the state. We need to change the law in those 18 states and DC. Christophobic bigot.

More ignorant bullshit. No human being-child or adult- is anyone's property to be abused at will. That is your slave holding mentality at work. The state has a duty and obligation to protect the vulnerable and that includes children

 

[BS Filter]

Yes, idiot. Those were bad things. However, what is happening now is even worse. Less than a hundred years ago millions of people were slaughtered while the world stood by and did nothing until it was too late. That tragedy makes your depravity seem pitifully lame. We still have arranged marriages, mostly in Islam, but you and your pals wouldn't dare speak out against that in fear of offending muslims. It was Democrats that denied blacks and women the vote. Democrats opposed the 14th amendment. The MAN that wrote the 19th amendment, a Republican. Dumb ass. I love it when idiots like you bring up slavery and suffrage because it allows me to show the truth of what happened. Thanks, dumb ass.
Suffrage - Women in the GOP

Holy shit dude! You are getting increasing bizarre ,You are all over the map here in a pathetic attempt to avoid the subject of conversion therapy and anti gay bias. Alluding to the holocaust? ? Arranged marriages and Islam? Seriously? Democrats opposing the 14th amendment and women's suffrage? Get a fucking grip! That was a different Democratic party and is totally off topic here .

The irony is that you fucking conservatives-No reactionaries is a better word- continually denigrate women, play Muslims off against gays ,and often claim that the 14th was not legally ratified and/ or does not apply to state laws. Think about that! Got any more red herring logical fallacies to hide behind?

The fact is that that greatest depravity facing us now is your brand of bigotry and ignorance, and the use of religion as a weapon to justify discrimination as you do . Your desperation is pathetic.

You should tell your girlfriend she is off topic, she brought it up. Own your party's history.
Is conversion therapy voluntary?

Not for those under 18 forced by their parents. 18 states and DC have laws prohibiting parents from torturing their children in such a fashion.

If you're over 18 though, sure you should be able to torture yourself.

If you're under 18 you belong to your parents, not the state. We need to change the law in those 18 states and DC. Christophobic bigot.

More ignorant bullshit. No human being-child or adult- is anyone's property to be abused at will. That is your slave holding mentality at work. The state has a duty and obligation to protect the vulnerable and that includes children

You're the abuser. You guys think all the children belong to the state. You believe Christiamity is abuse. You confuse children because of your sin sickness. Children need to learn that there is a Creator who loves them and cares about their future and parents who love and care about them. We need to kick you sick evil devils out of our education system.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Holy shit dude! You are getting increasing bizarre ,You are all over the map here in a pathetic attempt to avoid the subject of conversion therapy and anti gay bias. Alluding to the holocaust? ? Arranged marriages and Islam? Seriously? Democrats opposing the 14th amendment and women's suffrage? Get a fucking grip! That was a different Democratic party and is totally off topic here .

The irony is that you fucking conservatives-No reactionaries is a better word- continually denigrate women, play Muslims off against gays ,and often claim that the 14th was not legally ratified and/ or does not apply to state laws. Think about that! Got any more red herring logical fallacies to hide behind?

The fact is that that greatest depravity facing us now is your brand of bigotry and ignorance, and the use of religion as a weapon to justify discrimination as you do . Your desperation is pathetic.

You should tell your girlfriend she is off topic, she brought it up. Own your party's history.
Is conversion therapy voluntary?

Not for those under 18 forced by their parents. 18 states and DC have laws prohibiting parents from torturing their children in such a fashion.

If you're over 18 though, sure you should be able to torture yourself.

If you're under 18 you belong to your parents, not the state. We need to change the law in those 18 states and DC. Christophobic bigot.

More ignorant bullshit. No human being-child or adult- is anyone's property to be abused at will. That is your slave holding mentality at work. The state has a duty and obligation to protect the vulnerable and that includes children

You're the abuser. You guys think all the children belong to the state. You believe Christiamity is abuse. You confuse children because of your sin sickness. Children need to learn that there is a Creator who loves them and cares about their future and parents who love and care about them. We need to kick you sick evil devils out of our education system.

 

[BS Filter]

You should tell your girlfriend she is off topic, she brought it up. Own your party's history.
Is conversion therapy voluntary?

Not for those under 18 forced by their parents. 18 states and DC have laws prohibiting parents from torturing their children in such a fashion.

If you're over 18 though, sure you should be able to torture yourself.

If you're under 18 you belong to your parents, not the state. We need to change the law in those 18 states and DC. Christophobic bigot.

More ignorant bullshit. No human being-child or adult- is anyone's property to be abused at will. That is your slave holding mentality at work. The state has a duty and obligation to protect the vulnerable and that includes children

You're the abuser. You guys think all the children belong to the state. You believe Christiamity is abuse. You confuse children because of your sin sickness. Children need to learn that there is a Creator who loves them and cares about their future and parents who love and care about them. We need to kick you sick evil devils out of our education system.

You should tell your girlfriend she is off topic, she brought it up. Own your party's history.
Is conversion therapy voluntary?

Not for those under 18 forced by their parents. 18 states and DC have laws prohibiting parents from torturing their children in such a fashion.

If you're over 18 though, sure you should be able to torture yourself.

If you're under 18 you belong to your parents, not the state. We need to change the law in those 18 states and DC. Christophobic bigot.

More ignorant bullshit. No human being-child or adult- is anyone's property to be abused at will. That is your slave holding mentality at work. The state has a duty and obligation to protect the vulnerable and that includes children

You're the abuser. You guys think all the children belong to the state. You believe Christiamity is abuse. You confuse children because of your sin sickness. Children need to learn that there is a Creator who loves them and cares about their future and parents who love and care about them. We need to kick you sick evil devils out of our education system.

Poor pitiful creature.

 

[Seawytch]

Oh, and...

Research on the long term effects on brain development is limited, but a 2015 study published in Psychoneuroendocrinology observed the executive functioning in 20 transgender youth treated with puberty blockers compared to untreated youth with gender dysphoria and found that there was no difference in performance.[16][17][18][5]

20?

If I designed a wastewater plant based on 20 samples I would be fired.

Got ANYTHING to the contrary?

You are the one trying to affirm a positive position, i.e. It does no harm. The burden of proof is on you.

And so far, unlike conversion therapy, blockers do no harm. They, in fact, help. We KNOW what conversion therapy does in the long and short term.

 

[Seawytch]

Blockers don't cause long term psychological harm. There are no teenagers breaking down the doors demanding access to conversion therapy anywhere. There are teens who will do anything to get the blockers.

Judge gives grandparents custody of Ohio transgender teen - CNN

You have no evidence that they cause no long term harm, because there is no long term use data in sufficient quantity.

There are teens willing to do anything to get heroin, does that mean we should indulge them?

Just admit the left's hypocrisy on this.

Heroin is not legal, Mr. Strawman. If there are teens trying to kill themselves because their parents won't let them go to conversion therapy, there should be a parental consent form.

Again, you are dodging the question. Why is hormone therapy OK and conversion therapy not?

Why is gender fluid and sexuality not?

One is proven to be harmful, one is not. Doctors recommend blockers, they don't recommend conversion therapy.

Some doctors do, some doctors don't. Stop trying to claim "all' doctors do, which is what you are implying.

And again, you didn't answer my question. Why is gender fluid and sexuality not?

Actually, sexuality IS fluid. Conversion therapy does not allow for fluidity only rigidity to heterosexuality.

 

[martybegan]

Oh, and...

Research on the long term effects on brain development is limited, but a 2015 study published in Psychoneuroendocrinology observed the executive functioning in 20 transgender youth treated with puberty blockers compared to untreated youth with gender dysphoria and found that there was no difference in performance.[16][17][18][5]

20?

If I designed a wastewater plant based on 20 samples I would be fired.

Got ANYTHING to the contrary?

You are the one trying to affirm a positive position, i.e. It does no harm. The burden of proof is on you.

And so far, unlike conversion therapy, blockers do no harm. They, in fact, help. We KNOW what conversion therapy does in the long and short term.

You are fucking dense. Blockers stop a natural biological process, leaving permanent results. You have ZERO proof they do no harm, but you harp the point because you can't admit the hypocrisy of your position.

So again, why is gender fluid, but sexuality not?

Answer the fucking question.

 

[martybegan]

You have no evidence that they cause no long term harm, because there is no long term use data in sufficient quantity.

There are teens willing to do anything to get heroin, does that mean we should indulge them?

Just admit the left's hypocrisy on this.

Heroin is not legal, Mr. Strawman. If there are teens trying to kill themselves because their parents won't let them go to conversion therapy, there should be a parental consent form.

Again, you are dodging the question. Why is hormone therapy OK and conversion therapy not?

Why is gender fluid and sexuality not?

One is proven to be harmful, one is not. Doctors recommend blockers, they don't recommend conversion therapy.

Some doctors do, some doctors don't. Stop trying to claim "all' doctors do, which is what you are implying.

And again, you didn't answer my question. Why is gender fluid and sexuality not?

Actually, sexuality IS fluid. Conversion therapy does not allow for fluidity only rigidity to heterosexuality.

Wrong, it's purpose is to allow a person to come to a place where they can accept their CHOSEN sexuality.

I don't think it should be done on kids, but adults should be able to choose it. You on the other hand are OK with pumping hormones into kids while banning basically talking to the same kids because it goes against your agenda.

How fucking pathetic.

 

[Seawytch]

Holy shit dude! You are getting increasing bizarre ,You are all over the map here in a pathetic attempt to avoid the subject of conversion therapy and anti gay bias. Alluding to the holocaust? ? Arranged marriages and Islam? Seriously? Democrats opposing the 14th amendment and women's suffrage? Get a fucking grip! That was a different Democratic party and is totally off topic here .

The irony is that you fucking conservatives-No reactionaries is a better word- continually denigrate women, play Muslims off against gays ,and often claim that the 14th was not legally ratified and/ or does not apply to state laws. Think about that! Got any more red herring logical fallacies to hide behind?

The fact is that that greatest depravity facing us now is your brand of bigotry and ignorance, and the use of religion as a weapon to justify discrimination as you do . Your desperation is pathetic.

You should tell your girlfriend she is off topic, she brought it up. Own your party's history.
Is conversion therapy voluntary?

Not for those under 18 forced by their parents. 18 states and DC have laws prohibiting parents from torturing their children in such a fashion.

If you're over 18 though, sure you should be able to torture yourself.

If you're under 18 you belong to your parents, not the state. We need to change the law in those 18 states and DC. Christophobic bigot.

More ignorant bullshit. No human being-child or adult- is anyone's property to be abused at will. That is your slave holding mentality at work. The state has a duty and obligation to protect the vulnerable and that includes children

You're the abuser. You guys think all the children belong to the state. You believe Christiamity is abuse. You confuse children because of your sin sickness. Children need to learn that there is a Creator who loves them and cares about their future and parents who love and care about them. We need to kick you sick evil devils out of our education system.

No they don’t need to learn anything about a creator if they don’t want to. The absolutely need parents that love them, yes, a “creator”, no.

 

[Seawytch]

Oh, and...

Research on the long term effects on brain development is limited, but a 2015 study published in Psychoneuroendocrinology observed the executive functioning in 20 transgender youth treated with puberty blockers compared to untreated youth with gender dysphoria and found that there was no difference in performance.[16][17][18][5]

20?

If I designed a wastewater plant based on 20 samples I would be fired.

Got ANYTHING to the contrary?

You are the one trying to affirm a positive position, i.e. It does no harm. The burden of proof is on you.

And so far, unlike conversion therapy, blockers do no harm. They, in fact, help. We KNOW what conversion therapy does in the long and short term.

You are fucking dense. Blockers stop a natural biological process, leaving permanent results. You have ZERO proof they do no harm, but you harp the point because you can't admit the hypocrisy of your position.

So again, why is gender fluid, but sexuality not?

Answer the fucking question.

All the studies that they have done show no difference in teens that took them and teens that did not. They have been tested and are being monitored by medical professionals . (The exact opposite of what goes on with conversion “therapy”)

Simmer down, princess. You get really pissy when you don’t get your way, don’t you? No wonder you like Trump so much...

 

[Seawytch]

Heroin is not legal, Mr. Strawman. If there are teens trying to kill themselves because their parents won't let them go to conversion therapy, there should be a parental consent form.

Again, you are dodging the question. Why is hormone therapy OK and conversion therapy not?

Why is gender fluid and sexuality not?

One is proven to be harmful, one is not. Doctors recommend blockers, they don't recommend conversion therapy.

Some doctors do, some doctors don't. Stop trying to claim "all' doctors do, which is what you are implying.

And again, you didn't answer my question. Why is gender fluid and sexuality not?

Actually, sexuality IS fluid. Conversion therapy does not allow for fluidity only rigidity to heterosexuality.

Wrong, it's purpose is to allow a person to come to a place where they can accept their CHOSEN sexuality.

I don't think it should be done on kids, but adults should be able to choose it. You on the other hand are OK with pumping hormones into kids while banning basically talking to the same kids because it goes against your agenda.

How fucking pathetic.

No, that is not what the goal of conversion therapy is. How ignorant can you be?

Conversion therapy is the pseudoscientific practice of trying to change an individual's sexual orientation from homosexual or bisexual to heterosexual using psychological or spiritual interventions.

It’s not at all about sexual fluidity and only about adherence to heterosexuality.

 

[martybegan]

20?

If I designed a wastewater plant based on 20 samples I would be fired.

Got ANYTHING to the contrary?

You are the one trying to affirm a positive position, i.e. It does no harm. The burden of proof is on you.

And so far, unlike conversion therapy, blockers do no harm. They, in fact, help. We KNOW what conversion therapy does in the long and short term.

You are fucking dense. Blockers stop a natural biological process, leaving permanent results. You have ZERO proof they do no harm, but you harp the point because you can't admit the hypocrisy of your position.

So again, why is gender fluid, but sexuality not?

Answer the fucking question.

All the studies that they have done show no difference in teens that took them and teens that did not. They have been tested and are being monitored by medical professionals . (The exact opposite of what goes on with conversion “therapy”)

Simmer down, princess. You get really pissy when you don’t get your way, don’t you? No wonder you like Trump so much...

I'm sure most of the professionals are just as hackey as you are. On the other hand....

Health Effects Of Transitioning In Teen Years Remain Unknown

It's funny that you support child abuse to further your own political agenda.

 

[martybegan]

Again, you are dodging the question. Why is hormone therapy OK and conversion therapy not?

Why is gender fluid and sexuality not?

One is proven to be harmful, one is not. Doctors recommend blockers, they don't recommend conversion therapy.

Some doctors do, some doctors don't. Stop trying to claim "all' doctors do, which is what you are implying.

And again, you didn't answer my question. Why is gender fluid and sexuality not?

Actually, sexuality IS fluid. Conversion therapy does not allow for fluidity only rigidity to heterosexuality.

Wrong, it's purpose is to allow a person to come to a place where they can accept their CHOSEN sexuality.

I don't think it should be done on kids, but adults should be able to choose it. You on the other hand are OK with pumping hormones into kids while banning basically talking to the same kids because it goes against your agenda.

How fucking pathetic.

No, that is not what the goal of conversion therapy is. How ignorant can you be?

Conversion therapy is the pseudoscientific practice of trying to change an individual's sexual orientation from homosexual or bisexual to heterosexual using psychological or spiritual interventions.

It’s not at all about sexual fluidity and only about adherence to heterosexuality.

But if sexuality is fluid, those definitions are not set in stone.

Sorry, but heterosexuality is the biological default. If an adult person desires to go back to the default, why are you so against it?

 

[BS Filter]

You should tell your girlfriend she is off topic, she brought it up. Own your party's history.
Is conversion therapy voluntary?

Not for those under 18 forced by their parents. 18 states and DC have laws prohibiting parents from torturing their children in such a fashion.

If you're over 18 though, sure you should be able to torture yourself.

If you're under 18 you belong to your parents, not the state. We need to change the law in those 18 states and DC. Christophobic bigot.

Yes, but parents aren't allowed to torture their children, Marqis Dr Sade. Instead the other 32 should outlaw conversion therapy for those under 18. Anyone over 18 can self fladulate to their hearts content.

Do you support a woman's right to choose?

Non sequitur much?

Whatever. So you support a woman's right to kill her unborn child, but not the right to conversion therapy.

 

[BS Filter]

You should tell your girlfriend she is off topic, she brought it up. Own your party's history.
Is conversion therapy voluntary?

Not for those under 18 forced by their parents. 18 states and DC have laws prohibiting parents from torturing their children in such a fashion.

If you're over 18 though, sure you should be able to torture yourself.

If you're under 18 you belong to your parents, not the state. We need to change the law in those 18 states and DC. Christophobic bigot.

More ignorant bullshit. No human being-child or adult- is anyone's property to be abused at will. That is your slave holding mentality at work. The state has a duty and obligation to protect the vulnerable and that includes children

You're the abuser. You guys think all the children belong to the state. You believe Christiamity is abuse. You confuse children because of your sin sickness. Children need to learn that there is a Creator who loves them and cares about their future and parents who love and care about them. We need to kick you sick evil devils out of our education system.

No they don’t need to learn anything about a creator if they don’t want to. The absolutely need parents that love them, yes, a “creator”, no.

What if the parents want to teach their children about a Creator? Should parents have that right or not?

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Wait women can make the choice to have an abortion but a person who identifies as gay doesn't have a choice in therapy to help them not be gay...

It use to be easy in the Old Days to be gay. Now, you can get married and loose your money, house, car in a divorce. Who's great idea was this.

 

[BS Filter]

Wait women can make the choice to have an abortion but a person who identifies as gay doesn't have a choice in therapy to help them not be gay...

It use to be easy in the Old Days to be gay. Now, you can get married and loose your money, house, car in a divorce. Who's great idea was this.

They wanted equal rights, they got 'em.